Uppercut change

Demra · April 2019

I am curious to see what people think about the damage reduction to the 2h Uppercut skill.

"Uppercut: Reduced the damage dealt from this ability and its morphs by 14% to make up for the removal of the post global noted above. Note this will result in a 6% overall DPS increase when used in quick succession."

It's my main spamable (guess my class) in pvp and its pretty tough to land but at least when i do i feel rewarded. I am not sure the 0.1s cast time reduction will help me to land it better but i have a feeling i will notice the 14% damage reduction.

What are your thoughts?

Cathexis · April 2019

It will be better.

mr_wazzabi · April 2019

With surprise attack nerf, I think I'm going back to this on stamblade.

sneakymitchell · April 2019

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

With surprise attack nerf, I think I'm going back to this on stamblade.

Meh some like the reduce physical resistance but that’s only good for high amount of resistance tanks.

NyassaV · April 2019

I mean snipe for a damage reduction by 25% so I’d say 14% is pretty good

usmcjdking · April 2019

It's way better in PVE. That backswing removal really makes weaving the skill very intuitive. The backswing was the biggest issue wherein if you interrupted the backswing with a light attack, you would hang in no animations and essentially enter a full macroslice. Was a bit jarring in PVE. Even life-long uppercutters like myself will see a massive increase in it's reliability in PVE.

This generally carries over to PVP as well, as some of the coding of it has been straightened out. It is a much tighter telegraph and actually only lasts 1 seconds instead of 1+ping rate which makes defending from this skill generally a LOT harder.

The damage reduction is a minimal cost to get this skill working appropriately.

It works beautifully so far. Still have yet to see if I still get 6 second cast times in prime time, but my initial take is that this skill is far superior to what it used to be.

hakan · April 2019

sneakymitchell wrote: »

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

With surprise attack nerf, I think I'm going back to this on stamblade.

Meh some like the reduce physical resistance but that’s only good for high amount of resistance tanks.

33000 max resistance will be lowered by 5 percent which is around 1,5k? i guess most people running around have 20k ish which is 1k penetration. eh..

Koolio · April 2019

If it means I don’t get the occasional 5-30 sec dizzying swing I’ll be happy.

I’ve literally chased someone around a keep pulling a swing back and never went off

kookster · April 2019

For PVE its better, for pvp its debatably worse cause now it has less burst potential which is what it was mostly good for. Yes the overall dps is increased but 9/10 you need more burst than dps in pvp. Should of done that to the non dizzy morph so one is more about dps while the other is about burst.

Toc de Malsvi · April 2019

Has anyone checked it with weaving? Snipe change did not effect light attack weaving resulting in a pretty significant dps loss in PVE. I'm curious if Uppercut behaves the same or different with the changes.

usmcjdking · April 2019

kookster wrote: »

For PVE its better, for pvp its debatably worse cause now it has less burst potential which is what it was mostly good for. Yes the overall dps is increased but 9/10 you need more burst than dps in pvp. Should of done that to the non dizzy morph so one is more about dps while the other is about burst.

It's worse at chumping potatoes simply because you can't just DSwing -> execute them anymore. But the skill is reasonably reliable ATM. It probably should retain it's damage for balance reasons, but if ZOS combat team feels this adjustment can bring back the dark days of 1.5k WBWBWBWBWBWBWBWB combo then so be it.

Praeficere · April 2019

You'll probably have to switch to standard S/B or play around with the buffed DW spammable, it's not bad now

Bladerunner1 · April 2019

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Has anyone checked it with weaving? Snipe change did not effect light attack weaving resulting in a pretty significant dps loss in PVE. I'm curious if Uppercut behaves the same or different with the changes.

Yes it has a DPS loss when weaving light attacks, just like Snipe. I really doubt it was their intention to nerf this for people who weave light attacks.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5983153#Comment_5983153

TumlinTheJolly · April 2019

I really do not like this change. Vs good players, it's very hard to land Dizzy Swing. They can tap block, they can dodge. When you do land it, you want it to really hurt them. It's a great skill currently... high risk, high reward. You feel hopeless when they keep avoiding it, but very satisfied when it lands. On live, it is one of the few skills that REALLY encourages good counterplay... Therefore imo actually one of the healthiest skills in the game. To actually land it, you have to position well, anticipate their movement, think about your combo, think about their resources. Nerfing this skill is basically encouraging face-roll gameplay. We need MORE skills like this.

Wing · April 2019

plus everyone is going to be fast like when swift was a thing with RaT, snares and immobilizes wont do anything, and everyone will have major expedition all the time, good luck trying to land it.

plus its hit box is wonky, way to narrow, people move to the side at all (and they do, people circle strafe in pvp constantly) and once again, good luck landing it.

Demra · April 2019

TumlinTheJolly wrote: »

I really do not like this change. Vs good players, it's very hard to land Dizzy Swing. They can tap block, they can dodge. When you do land it, you want it to really hurt them. It's a great skill currently... high risk, high reward. You feel hopeless when they keep avoiding it, but very satisfied when it lands. On live, it is one of the few skills that REALLY encourages good counterplay... Therefore imo actually one of the healthiest skills in the game. To actually land it, you have to position well, anticipate their movement, think about your combo, think about their resources. Nerfing this skill is basically encouraging face-roll gameplay. We need MORE skills like this.

Wow dude this is such a cool explanation. This helped me realize why i was having such a fun time with this skill even though i would not have recommended it. I agree more skills like that would make the game so fascinating and probably solve some problems.

Thank you all for the comments. Interesting debate.

Ardicer · April 2019

If they're nerfing it's damage like that and making LA weaving unviable then they should atleast give it a lock-on like all the other brainless high potential skills out there. Radiant Destruction, Soul Assault, Snipe.

Insco851 · April 2019

Nerf Uppercut (single target) buff s2W... aoe!!!! Pugs rejoice!

OtarTheMad · April 2019

TumlinTheJolly wrote: »

I really do not like this change. Vs good players, it's very hard to land Dizzy Swing. They can tap block, they can dodge. When you do land it, you want it to really hurt them. It's a great skill currently... high risk, high reward. You feel hopeless when they keep avoiding it, but very satisfied when it lands. On live, it is one of the few skills that REALLY encourages good counterplay... Therefore imo actually one of the healthiest skills in the game. To actually land it, you have to position well, anticipate their movement, think about your combo, think about their resources. Nerfing this skill is basically encouraging face-roll gameplay. We need MORE skills like this.

I mean I guess you'd have to position well and all that... or stun them first and while they are on the ground or whatever you should be able to land a few shots before they CC break. I have tested it out since the change and it's fine... still hits hard and is now easier to combo with another abilities. Not to mention you can get more hits of it in faster now. It's an interesting change.

sneakymitchell · April 2019

hakan wrote: »

sneakymitchell wrote: »

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

With surprise attack nerf, I think I'm going back to this on stamblade.

Meh some like the reduce physical resistance but that’s only good for high amount of resistance tanks.

33000 max resistance will be lowered by 5 percent which is around 1,5k? i guess most people running around have 20k ish which is 1k penetration. eh..

Almost like putting minor fracture but remember this is a unquie to have for a debuff than having another minor fracture. I can see nbs use the poison for minor fracture with night mothers or they stick to what ever set they been using.