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ZoS Doesn't Care about Stamina Sorcerers

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If you've identified as a stamina sorcerer for a while, then you probably knew better than to look in the 'Sorcerer" section of the PTS for changes relevant to stamsorc.

This inequity has no place in 2019, and at the very least we'd like to see some representation. Class reps aren't much more than tokens.

I'm not going to list 100 easy changes that would give stamina sorcerers identity here, they are already all over the forum.

Imagine maining a class that actually benefits from a Flurry buff?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNJL6nfu__Q


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  • KhajiitFelix
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    Oof
  • Kidgangster101
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    Yeah Stam sorc and Stam dk got literally nothing in a patch where I thought and hoped they would balance Stam and magic moves much like necro this is a shame.
  • Itzmichi
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    bascially a low quality waste of my bandwith, thanks.
    Here, have a chill pill 💊!
  • del9
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    Yeah Stam sorc and Stam dk got literally nothing in a patch where I thought and hoped they would balance Stam and magic moves much like necro this is a shame.

    stam DK's had corrosive armor (good offensive ult which stamsorcs dont have) buffed to 12 SECONDS of near invulnerability, and crazy offensive power. Stam DK also had cauterize morph buffed so that it scales with max stat instead of magick. A number of their passives' durations were also buffed. They also have multiple offensive stamina morphs (attached to debuffs).

    Please don't compare stamDK and stamSorc.
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  • Didgerion
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    Look wider, read between the lines too!

    When you talk about class performance, a big part of it is the comparison with other classes.

    Stam Sorc was greatly outplayed by Stamblades, now that might change. Also the change to the gcd on channeled skills will help stam sorc a bit too.

    Just test it first then complain.
  • Chilly-McFreeze
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    Hey hey hey, don’t conceal that streak buff! /s
  • Crixus8000
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    My stamsorc has just had nerfs and indirect nerfs patch after patch to the point I no longer find it fun. Nothing to test or adapt to, it's just worse for me. I will main another class this patch but it's a shame since stamsorc has been my favorite and main since I started.

    Since speed was nerfed, my stamsorc hasn't felt the same. Streak is too clunky, costly and has too many issues to be a viable escape/defence tool. I want something, anything to help me be the mobile class I was when I picked it and loved it. I can't outrun anyone and die to ranged spam so much easier than other classes.
    Edited by Crixus8000 on April 15, 2019 8:01PM
  • Faulgor
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    I assume the changes to Flurry and 2H are our "buffs". lol.

    It's almost impressive that after all these years, they still find ways to keep a weapon-wielding sorcerer boring.
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  • Burtan
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    This is only week 1 of Elsewyr PTS. There may be stamsorc changes coming in the next few weeks which I hope is true.

    As a stamsorc main with 5k hours played on stamsorc characters alone I can say that stamsorc is in the most boring and lifeless place it has ever been and if stamsorc is ignored with Elsewyr then I will not be buying the expansion just to use Necromancer as a replacement.

    Not a whole lot needs to be done and all the suggestions are out there, such as;
    • Make armaments more useful/fun
    • Add a stamina ult or make the current ones scale with physical penetration and stamina based cp
    • Add a stamina dps skill such as a stam curse or stamfrag or even just buff the current stamina clannfear pet to actually deal dmg.

    These are just examples of simple things that would make stamsorc a real class again.
  • martijnlv40
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    Burtan wrote: »
    This is only week 1 of Elsewyr PTS. There may be stamsorc changes coming in the next few weeks which I hope is true.

    As a stamsorc main with 5k hours played on stamsorc characters alone I can say that stamsorc is in the most boring and lifeless place it has ever been and if stamsorc is ignored with Elsewyr then I will not be buying the expansion just to use Necromancer as a replacement.

    Not a whole lot needs to be done and all the suggestions are out there, such as;
    • Make armaments more useful/fun
    • Add a stamina ult or make the current ones scale with physical penetration and stamina based cp
    • Add a stamina dps skill such as a stam curse or stamfrag or even just buff the current stamina clannfear pet to actually deal dmg.

    These are just examples of simple things that would make stamsorc a real class again.

    The best way to get more stamina in the sorc, is to just add a third morph. But that might never come...
  • Alucardo
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    I'm going to try out that new stam sorc buff called cleave. Seriously, I was thinking the same thing as I read the patch notes. The only real "buff" I see is streak benefiting from your highest offensive resources lmao
  • TBois
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    same story different patch
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  • Ertosi
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    Honestly didn't notice anything that would negatively affect my stamsorc. Plus he's going to love that shield buff coming to Cleave.
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  • Koolio
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    Didn’t they mention an Air Atro?
  • Kidgangster101
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    del9 wrote: »
    Yeah Stam sorc and Stam dk got literally nothing in a patch where I thought and hoped they would balance Stam and magic moves much like necro this is a shame.

    stam DK's had corrosive armor (good offensive ult which stamsorcs dont have) buffed to 12 SECONDS of near invulnerability, and crazy offensive power. Stam DK also had cauterize morph buffed so that it scales with max stat instead of magick. A number of their passives' durations were also buffed. They also have multiple offensive stamina morphs (attached to debuffs).

    Please don't compare stamDK and stamSorc.

    Bro both are hurting in pve. No Stam dk will use corrosive armor, noxious breath still sounds terrible and our other "good spamable" move most people used was reduced initial damage but does a better poison over time. So how are we any different? We still don't have a spamable outside flurry just like sorcs lol.
  • Alucardo
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    Ertosi wrote: »
    Honestly didn't notice anything that would negatively affect my stamsorc. Plus he's going to love that shield buff coming to Cleave.
    Further proves that stamina sorcs have zero class identity when they are more excited about the weapon skill changes. Don't get me wrong, I'm thankful for the buff to cleave and flurry, but jesus christ, give them something in their class, which is what is supposed to define them.
  • del9
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    Alucardo wrote: »
    Ertosi wrote: »
    Honestly didn't notice anything that would negatively affect my stamsorc. Plus he's going to love that shield buff coming to Cleave.
    Further proves that stamina sorcs have zero class identity when they are more excited about the weapon skill changes. Don't get me wrong, I'm thankful for the buff to cleave and flurry, but jesus christ, give them something in their class, which is what is supposed to define them.

    it almost feels as if they want to herd us towards playing a particular class
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  • CurvedSwords123
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    No faith in you ZoS.
  • Faulgor
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    Just wanted to draw attention to the fact that even NBs have stamina pets now.
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