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Discussion: How do you feel about paying for NOT playing the game ? -> skyshard unlocks in CS
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Vietfox✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Elsterchen wrote: »Elsterchen wrote: »Elsterchen wrote: »
Without skill points your character is useless. Sure you get them as you level, but there's not enough for Fighters Guild, Mages Guild, Psijic, Undaunted, alchemy, class skill lines, Vampire/Werewolf (if applicable), Racials, etc.
Thats your sole personal opinion. I didn't feel useless (and frankly said: I was very usefull supporting my allies) when I did exactly that with my main almost 5 yrears ago.
-> you can use siege weapons, resurrect allies, scout for your team, build traps with allies ... and you don't even need weapon swap for that !
True pvpers don't tend to zerg surf.
Check the forum at what time the term "zerg" poped up ... and "true" PVPers... you surely like status, even if its a virtual nothing in a videogame?
That's when i knew you were zerg surfing " I didn't feel useless (and frankly said: I was very usefull supporting my allies) 1 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Elsterchen wrote: »Hi everyone,
I must admid I have problems with Zenis decision to add skyshard unlocks on alts. Its not a plain P2W thing, but it leaves me feeling extremely uncomfortable as in my view skyshards are necessary to build a char ... and collecting them is quite an experience in game. However, while I feel uncomfortable at the thought I necro-ed some old threads (yeah, you surely don't need a class for THAT!
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For those that may not know it: this is how the crown store was introduced:https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/157719/patch-notes-v2-0-1ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »BIG CHANGES / UPDATES / NEW FEATURES
Crown Store
We are happy to introduce the Crown Store: an in-game store where you can buy customization and convenience items. To access the Crown Store, log into the game and press “,”.
Note that the Crown Store is not available from the character select screen.
You can use the items in the store to save some time, as well as customize your look with exotic pets, costumes, and mounts.
Items within the Crown Store can be previewed by hovering over the target item and pressing R.
To purchase an item, hover your mouse over the desired item and press E. You will need to confirm the purchase at the subsequent window.
Upon confirmation, crowns will be removed from your account and the item will be made accessible to you.
Items purchased from the Crown Store are non-refundable.
There are a variety of offerings that you can purchase now:
Pets
Pets cannot be traded or sold to others.
Once purchased, pets will become available in the Collections UI for all characters on your account to access.
Mounts
Mounts cannot be traded or sold to others.
Once purchased, mounts will become available in the Collections UI for all characters on your account to access.
Costumes
Once purchased, costumes will become available in the Collections UI for all characters on your account to access.
Costumes will only alter your appearance; your stats will remain unchanged.
Some special costumes, called polymorphs, will also be available. These are costumes that change your entire appearance, including your character’s model.
Costumes cannot be traded or sold to others.
Consumables
Consumables are items managed in your inventory that can be used in the same manner as current consumables. They can be right clicked, double-clicked, or loaded into a quick slot.
Crown Store Consumables cannot be traded or sold to others, and cannot be deleted without confirmation. They can, however, be moved to other characters on your account via the account bank.
Crown Store Consumables are designed to be an easily-accessible way to minimize down time. They are not designed to give anyone an unfair combat advantage.
Specific Crown Store Consumables are as follows:
Crown Repair Kits: These kits allow you to repair all currently-equipped items with a single use.
Crown Potions: These can be used at any level, and the strength is equivalent to your level. These are slightly better than potions that are dropped from monsters or purchased from a vendor, but never better than a crafted potion.
Crown Soul Gem: These can be used at any level on another player character of any level. When used to charge a weapon enchant, the enchantment becomes fully charged.
Bundles
Bundles are a collection of offerings through a single purchase.
The bundle will have each offering represented as an icon allowing you to preview it by hovering your mouse over the icon.
When attempting to purchase a bundle containing something you already own, you will be warned and prompted for confirmation, but are not prevented from purchasing the bundle.
btw reading the players suggestions and wishes at that time, is indeed very informative, too...Feel free to have a glimpse:https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/146991/crown-store-item-wish-list/p1ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hello everyone!
As part of Update 6, we are introducing the Crown Store: an in-game store where you can purchase customization and convenience items. The store offers consumables you can use to save time on in-game activities (like experience and crafting boosters, for example) along with new customization options including costumes, exotic pets, and mounts. When the Crown Store launches, we’ll have a number of items available immediately, but what about the future? Tell us what sorts of goods and services you would like to see offered in the Crown Store – you can be as general or specific as you’d like.
You can view some of the planned Crown Store items at the following link, beginning at 23:59 http://www.twitch.tv/zenimaxonlinestudios/v/3711373
We look forward to reading your ideas and feedback!
With all this said, ... I still don't feel good about this change, but maybe its because I don't get the keylinings. So, if you have some time to spare and thoughts to share I would really like some more views on this topic.
PS @tureliusYes, I copy pasted, guilty in that regard. But I am not interested in a p2w debate. I try to figure if we may expect payed experience point bundles in a few weeks (for alts of maxed CP chars only... ofc. ) And I am really interested how people feel about paying for NOT playing the game (even if its the 2nd or ... 16th time of RPG content). I know you understand and here is the reference to your article:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/465524/is-buying-skyshard-sp-pay-to-win/p1
With the release of Elsweyr information we now know that players will be able to buy Skyshard SP unlocks on their alt characters.
The way this works is if a player has already unlocked an achievement on one character for a zones Skyshards they will be able to unlock those Skyshards (and SP) on new characters they make via a Crown Store purchase.
1) Now, do you feel these new Crown Store Consumables are designed to be an easily-accessible way to minimize down time? (please elaborate)
2) Do you think they are not designed to give anyone an unfair combat advantage? (please elaborate)
3) Do you think the "but never better than"-argument should apply for these new consumables? (please elaborate)
4) Do you have any further remarks/fears/wishes/hopes/letdowns you like to share regarding the topic?
Please discuss.
I think they are only available to purchase after you have collected them the first time.
They should have just made them account-wide. But of course they couldn't make extra cash that way.7 -
JamilaRaj✭✭✭✭✭
✭Peekachu99 wrote: »Keep in mind, there is no inherent P2W advantage since all of these things can be acquired in the game via time.
Keep in mind, a) higher yield per unit of time is always an advantage and b) time is not infinite resource.
If you do not get it, consider this: you come to work and learn that your salary has been slashed by half. But do not worry, you can still acquire full salary by working twice as long! Say, 16 hours per day. Great, huh? Next day, you come to work and learn that your salary has been again slashed by half, but you can still acquire full salary by working twice as long. Great, all you have to do is work 32 hou- wait a minute!
Now tell me, is there or is there not inherent advantage in earning something without spending time?2 -
Vietfox✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Elsterchen wrote: »Elsterchen wrote: »Elsterchen wrote: »
Without skill points your character is useless. Sure you get them as you level, but there's not enough for Fighters Guild, Mages Guild, Psijic, Undaunted, alchemy, class skill lines, Vampire/Werewolf (if applicable), Racials, etc.
Thats your sole personal optinion. I didn#t feel useless (and frankly said I was very usefull supporting my allies) when I did exactly that with my main almost 5 yrears ago.
< 50 pvp is a lot different than it was 5 years ago lmao. They are like 5 year old hulking children that can bench press a small car, and you want me to go in there at level 10 with a few basic skills and no passives?
I never set a foot in < level 50 campaigns...
still missing the argument, sry
LMAO, you started by saying you can get to Cyro at level 10, @Alucardo replied accordingly and now you say he is missing the argument because you never set a foot in < level 50???
Please gimme some of those drugs you're taking, i beg you!2 -
Sheezabeast✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ZOS has redefined what they consider a convenience item....I really resent them adding event tickets to the store for this reason.Grand Master Crafter, Beta baby who grew with the game. PC/NA. @Sheezabeast if you have crafting needs!4 -
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Just becuase you can get them in the game does not mean it cannot be pay to win. That is just your personal opinion.
Buying skyshards is effectively the same as buying levels. Paying to level up a character falls under pay to win in many people's opinion and is a reasonable position.
There is no official legal definition for pay to win so just give up the "obtain in game" canard.
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The gap between getting skyshards and paying for them is not "hundreds of hours", please don't be dramatic. You pay to get things faster AND ONLY if you've gotten them before with another character.
Your logic is not good enough, sorry.
How long does it take to collect all shards?
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Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
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The gap between getting skyshards and paying for them is not "hundreds of hours", please don't be dramatic. You pay to get things faster AND ONLY if you've gotten them before with another character.
Your logic is not good enough, sorry.
How long does it take to collect all shards?
Try it and let us know.
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Total in-game hours: 11321
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Rake✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭lordrichter wrote: »
The gap between getting skyshards and paying for them is not "hundreds of hours", please don't be dramatic. You pay to get things faster AND ONLY if you've gotten them before with another character.
Your logic is not good enough, sorry.
How long does it take to collect all shards?
Try it and let us know.
I have them all already but did collect them over years0 -
Master_Kas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭"And collecting them is quite an experience in game"
It is boring as hell, each to his own I guess.
Edit: First time I picked them up on a char was fun tough, that I can agree on. But doing so for every character? Nah xDEdited by Master_Kas on April 14, 2019 12:25PMEU | PC2 -
Elsterchen✭✭✭✭✭
✭lordrichter wrote: »
The gap between getting skyshards and paying for them is not "hundreds of hours", please don't be dramatic. You pay to get things faster AND ONLY if you've gotten them before with another character.
Your logic is not good enough, sorry.
How long does it take to collect all shards?
Try it and let us know.
Well, collecting the ones in the open world take ~ 40 mins per zone (done that on multiple chars (minimum requirement: a horse, in multiple zones) - a few minutes accounting for those times when you dismount to open a chest, pick a flower, or take that little extra to unlock the wayshrine as well...
However, I don't know if all shards from delves and dungeons are included as well... so ...
edit: on afterthought ... I did unlock a little more then just wayshrines... so lets just say its definately less then 40 mins/zone
Edited by Elsterchen on April 14, 2019 12:28PM0 -
Rake✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Elsterchen wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »
The gap between getting skyshards and paying for them is not "hundreds of hours", please don't be dramatic. You pay to get things faster AND ONLY if you've gotten them before with another character.
Your logic is not good enough, sorry.
How long does it take to collect all shards?
Try it and let us know.
Well, collecting the ones in the open world take ~ 40 mins per zone (done that on multiple chars (minimum requirement: a horse, in multiple zones) - a few minutes accounting for those times when you dismount to open a chest, pick a flower, or take that little extra to unlock the wayshrine as well...
However, I don't know if all shards from delves and dungeons are included as well... so ...
edit: on afterthought ... I did unlock a little more then just wayshrines... so lets just say its definately less then 40 mins/zone
What about skyshards in IC or Cyrodiil?
Collecting these can take a while and if these are on sale its clearly unfair for all that collected them the regular way.
I mean after shards, what is next? Selling champion points? Selling arena weapons?1 -
Elsterchen✭✭✭✭✭
✭Master_Kas wrote: »"And collecting them is quite an experience in game"
It is boring as hell, each to his own I guess.
Edit: First time I picked them up on a char was fun tough, that I can agree on. But doing so for every character? Nah xD
Yeah, thats exactly the way I feel about dungeons and trials... its so repetetive that only the thought of doing it requires mental strength to surpass the boredom.
However, i actually ran even my least favourite dungeon more often then 8 times (my number of chars) ... on my main. So, while i am with you at the wish that boring repetive content could be resticted for convienice, I think that there is definately other boring repetitive content that needs to be looked at when takkling THAT problem.0 -
xilfxlegion✭✭✭✭✭Elsterchen wrote: »Hi everyone,
I must admid I have problems with Zenis decision to add skyshard unlocks on alts. Its not a plain P2W thing, but it leaves me feeling extremely uncomfortable as in my view skyshards are necessary to build a char ... and collecting them is quite an experience in game. However, while I feel uncomfortable at the thought I necro-ed some old threads (yeah, you surely don't need a class for THAT! )
For those that may not know it: this is how the crown store was introduced:https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/157719/patch-notes-v2-0-1ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »BIG CHANGES / UPDATES / NEW FEATURES
Crown Store
We are happy to introduce the Crown Store: an in-game store where you can buy customization and convenience items. To access the Crown Store, log into the game and press “,”.
Note that the Crown Store is not available from the character select screen.
You can use the items in the store to save some time, as well as customize your look with exotic pets, costumes, and mounts.
Items within the Crown Store can be previewed by hovering over the target item and pressing R.
To purchase an item, hover your mouse over the desired item and press E. You will need to confirm the purchase at the subsequent window.
Upon confirmation, crowns will be removed from your account and the item will be made accessible to you.
Items purchased from the Crown Store are non-refundable.
There are a variety of offerings that you can purchase now:
Pets
Pets cannot be traded or sold to others.
Once purchased, pets will become available in the Collections UI for all characters on your account to access.
Mounts
Mounts cannot be traded or sold to others.
Once purchased, mounts will become available in the Collections UI for all characters on your account to access.
Costumes
Once purchased, costumes will become available in the Collections UI for all characters on your account to access.
Costumes will only alter your appearance; your stats will remain unchanged.
Some special costumes, called polymorphs, will also be available. These are costumes that change your entire appearance, including your character’s model.
Costumes cannot be traded or sold to others.
Consumables
Consumables are items managed in your inventory that can be used in the same manner as current consumables. They can be right clicked, double-clicked, or loaded into a quick slot.
Crown Store Consumables cannot be traded or sold to others, and cannot be deleted without confirmation. They can, however, be moved to other characters on your account via the account bank.
Crown Store Consumables are designed to be an easily-accessible way to minimize down time. They are not designed to give anyone an unfair combat advantage.
Specific Crown Store Consumables are as follows:
Crown Repair Kits: These kits allow you to repair all currently-equipped items with a single use.
Crown Potions: These can be used at any level, and the strength is equivalent to your level. These are slightly better than potions that are dropped from monsters or purchased from a vendor, but never better than a crafted potion.
Crown Soul Gem: These can be used at any level on another player character of any level. When used to charge a weapon enchant, the enchantment becomes fully charged.
Bundles
Bundles are a collection of offerings through a single purchase.
The bundle will have each offering represented as an icon allowing you to preview it by hovering your mouse over the icon.
When attempting to purchase a bundle containing something you already own, you will be warned and prompted for confirmation, but are not prevented from purchasing the bundle.
btw reading the players suggestions and wishes at that time, is indeed very informative, too...Feel free to have a glimpse:https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/146991/crown-store-item-wish-list/p1ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hello everyone!
As part of Update 6, we are introducing the Crown Store: an in-game store where you can purchase customization and convenience items. The store offers consumables you can use to save time on in-game activities (like experience and crafting boosters, for example) along with new customization options including costumes, exotic pets, and mounts. When the Crown Store launches, we’ll have a number of items available immediately, but what about the future? Tell us what sorts of goods and services you would like to see offered in the Crown Store – you can be as general or specific as you’d like.
You can view some of the planned Crown Store items at the following link, beginning at 23:59 http://www.twitch.tv/zenimaxonlinestudios/v/3711373
We look forward to reading your ideas and feedback!
With all this said, ... I still don't feel good about this change, but maybe its because I don't get the keylinings. So, if you have some time to spare and thoughts to share I would really like some more views on this topic.
PS @tureliusYes, I copy pasted, guilty in that regard. But I am not interested in a p2w debate. I try to figure if we may expect payed experience point bundles in a few weeks (for alts of maxed CP chars only... ofc. ) And I am really interested how people feel about paying for NOT playing the game (even if its the 2nd or ... 16th time of RPG content). I know you understand and here is the reference to your article:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/465524/is-buying-skyshard-sp-pay-to-win/p1
With the release of Elsweyr information we now know that players will be able to buy Skyshard SP unlocks on their alt characters.
The way this works is if a player has already unlocked an achievement on one character for a zones Skyshards they will be able to unlock those Skyshards (and SP) on new characters they make via a Crown Store purchase.
1) Now, do you feel these new Crown Store Consumables are designed to be an easily-accessible way to minimize down time? (please elaborate)
2) Do you think they are not designed to give anyone an unfair combat advantage? (please elaborate)
3) Do you think the "but never better than"-argument should apply for these new consumables? (please elaborate)
4) Do you have any further remarks/fears/wishes/hopes/letdowns you like to share regarding the topic?
Please discuss.
gotta be honest ---- the two absolute worst parts about starting a new character are the slow horse and the endless repetitive skyshard hunting ---- i am all for buying them in the crown store for my 14 alt characters --- i would also pay crowns for lore books too. i can see why some would be against it, but i work 6 days a week and i dont want to spend an entire day locking down skyshards when i can do it with the press of a few buttons in the crown store.
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✭✭✭✭✭The price point will determine how much they expect people to use it. If it's cheap, like 500 crowns per zone, I'll expect they want to make money off it. If it's expensive, say 1500 crowns per zone, then I'll think that they just want to have it there as an option.
Either way, as soon as people have to vote with their wallets, I'll expect a lot of people will see they don't really need that many skill points.Colecovision wrote: »If there is any tiny part of a player that struggles to get skyshards, they are going to lose for sure once they get them. It's just a point and click time suck. There are 4 skyshards you can argue are more, but that's it. No p2w
This game doesn't do a good job of tying gameplay to progression. I've leveled more skills crafting than anything and then play fetch to add the points. Then I leveled 2 handed on a new character last month, by reading a book to open the line and slotting skills as I played DW. I was at level 50 with all passives and morphs before equipping a 2h weapon. There simply isn't a connection to actual gameplay.
Playing fetch for progression is a bad gaming experience after a few times. It's boring and slow. ZoS agrees so much that they asked themselves the question, is it $10 bad, $50 bad? I fear hundreds.
My question is, why isn't buying the game, 2 chapters and subbing enough for them to simply give me the best game they can? They know it sucks. They should fix it for everyone. This version really feels like they are saying be a whale or gtfo. My couple hundred invested and my wifes couple hundred invested are just trash to them. It's $110 for the two of us to get the next chapter and sub for that month. It seems reasonable for them to include the good version and unreasonable for me to hit purchase if they won't.
Your idea of a "good version" is different from other players. It would totally discourage me from making alts if exploration wasn't a part of the experience. I don't see characters as just build templates, like the people who seem to wish for account wide everything do. I accept that a balance between account-wide and character-specific features are necessary to please the highest number of people and I like the way ZOS has done it so far (ie, we can trade gear, leverage crafting skill and progress CP as an account, but individual characters still have to achieve their own goals).
So if you don't want to spend money on skill points, don't. I won't. The same way as I never spent money on Riding Lessons, even though I have 10 characters, 9 of which are fully maxed now. But if collecting skyshards is so painful for you that spending 500, 1000 or 1500 crowns not to do it is worth it to you, then you have that option now.Elsterchen wrote: »Elsterchen wrote: »Elsterchen wrote: »
Without skill points your character is useless. Sure you get them as you level, but there's not enough for Fighters Guild, Mages Guild, Psijic, Undaunted, alchemy, class skill lines, Vampire/Werewolf (if applicable), Racials, etc.
Thats your sole personal optinion. I didn#t feel useless (and frankly said I was very usefull supporting my allies) when I did exactly that with my main almost 5 yrears ago.
< 50 pvp is a lot different than it was 5 years ago lmao. They are like 5 year old hulking children that can bench press a small car, and you want me to go in there at level 10 with a few basic skills and no passives?
I never set a foot in < level 50 campaigns...
still missing the argument, sry
LMAO, you started by saying you can get to Cyro at level 10, @Alucardo replied accordingly and now you say he is missing the argument because you never set a foot in < level 50???
Please gimme some of those drugs you're taking, i beg you!
You can get into any of the Cyrodiil campaigns as level 10. You are not restricted to the sub-50 campaign. Alucardo's argument was that the sub-50 campaign was too hard at level 10 because it's full of experienced PvPers that just reroll characters all the time. Elsterchen's reply was that he doesn't go to the sub-50 campaign anyway. He plays in the normal campaigns and feels that a level 10 *can* be useful in the campaign. Which is true, if you take your mind off the 1xX mentality for a bit.The Moot Councillor1 -
Elsterchen✭✭✭✭✭
✭Elsterchen wrote: »
The gap between getting skyshards and paying for them is no "hundreds of hours", please don't be dramatic. You pay to get things faster AND ONLY if you've gotten them before with another character.
Your logic is not good enough, sorry.
Well playing any trial isn't taking hundreds of hours, too... do you like to see CS trial unlocks?
Questing a zone isn't taking hundreds of hours, too ... do you like to see CS-zone-XP unlocks?
Playing any dungeon isn't taking hundreds of hours, too... do you like to see CS-dungeon unlocks?
...
When exactly do you draw the line if all active content is available by purchase?
People do trials to get sets which are completely random, unlike skyshards. Comparing both things it's a bit dumb tbh.
Well, the way I understand skyshard-unlocks to work is:
1) You do it once and then you can buy it for all other alts.
Now imagine this for trials:
You do it once ... and then you buy it for all other alts. -> which gives you a nice number of set-pieces per alt.
I know there are some players that refrain from using transmute stations (or are not capable of using them) and that won't upgrade their gear, but frankly: "enter your number of alts" (mine is 8) stacks of trial-gear is (based on personal experience) a fair chance to never ever have to set foot in that trial again.
... and as good as this sounds to me, I still feel its wrong to enable wallet-warriors to take over tamriel. 0 -
Lloydmp✭✭✭This is a god send.
I have a ton of Alts and hate the farm for sky shards. For those of you who say it’s pay to win, what are you winning? You have access to all of these anyway.
It’s saving me time as I have both a job and family and limited time online of which I don’t want to spend hours looking for skyshards just so I can access my skills/passives etc.2 -
prototypefb✭✭✭✭it's convenience option, if you want to save the time it takes to open the map and get all skyshards on alts.
both parties benefit - zos get some value amd player saves time.
i don't see why would anyone mind it - if it doesn't suit you, look other way. it doesn't affect you if you don't participate in it.0 -
Mettaricana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I went from 40hrs a week working to 78 a week i wanna do endgame content i make alot more money i want to play but dont wanna run rapid maneuvers across tamriel for the 12th time on a new character im all for it i got all shards on my main playing as i should. Ill gladly buy the rest on alts0 -
FierceSam✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭If it’s such a good idea and such a boon to players MAKE IT FREE FOR EVERYONE
If it’s a cynical attempt to gouge more money off players and a stealthy back door to selling builds on the CS, gtfooh
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✭✭✭✭✭I think it's silly, and I'd never pay for it (just like I'm constantly stunned to hear that people pay for Crown Riding Lessons).
But... I don't think it's "p2w". For one, you can only do it once you've already collected the skyshards on one character (so you've proven you can do the incredibly simple and not-at-all challenging MMO Busywork), and two - it's MMO busywork. Many of the time sinks that are now "traditional" in MMOs were designed back when they were subscription-required. So the games were filled with simple-but-tedious chores, to make you need to stay subbed longer.
So, yeah. Gathering the skyshards on each of your alts isn't Some Brave Accomplishment To Show Your True Worth™. It's busywork. Especially once you've already done it once.
Personally, it's not worth it to me to waste $ on that - I've got the time, I don't want to waste $, and I don't have an obsession with leveling all the skill lines and dumping piles of skillpoints into them in order to make a "complete" character. So buying skyshards is useless to me. And I couldn't care less that someone else does it.
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Elsterchen✭✭✭✭✭
✭@Lloydmp ; @prototypefb ; @Mettaricana
The thing that bothers me, is that this will be the first crown store item that enables players to pay for rewards gained by not actively playing the game. And I think there is a big difference to skipping down time (as done in riding lessons, or research times)
I understand players saying: "the content is boring and I like to skip it on my alts, but hey, ofc i want the reward". I really do understand that notion.
Yet, this argument is applicable to all content ESO offers - a given number of players will find questing and/or PVEing and/or PVPing boring and will like to skip these contents on alts -> without refraining from getting the rewards (ofc).
And thats the point when I think: Rather take the time and gather those stupid shards then allow CS-trial unlocks, CS-dungeon-unlocks or CS-PVP-rank unlocks ... all of these are just the same as CS-skyshard unlocks: crown store based ways to pay for skipping content and yet getting rewarded.
Imo in the long run the option to buy rewards without taking part in the content will be really bad for this games health.0 -
Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I have zero problem with being able to get skyshards on ALTS. especially since you have to unlock them on main first.
I have ALL the problems with it being crown store only.dirty worthless casual.
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prototypefb✭✭✭✭Elsterchen wrote: »@Lloydmp ; @prototypefb ; @Mettaricana
The thing that bothers me, is that this will be the first crown store item that enables players to pay for rewards gained by not actively playing the game. And I think there is a big difference to skipping down time (as done in riding lessons, or research times)
I understand players saying: "the content is boring and I like to skip it on my alts, but hey, ofc i want the reward". I really do understand that notion.
Yet, this argument is applicable to all content ESO offers - a given number of players will find questing and/or PVEing and/or PVPing boring and will like to skip these contents on alts -> without refraining from getting the rewards (ofc).
And thats the point when I think: Rather take the time and gather those stupid shards then allow CS-trial unlocks, CS-dungeon-unlocks or CS-PVP-rank unlocks ... all of these are just the same as CS-skyshard unlocks: crown store based ways to pay for skipping content and yet getting rewarded.
Imo in the long run the option to buy rewards without taking part in the content will be really bad for this games health.
'the content' you're talking is getting to skyshard and pressing a button - not much of a content, if you hav to do the same on 15 characters, it's repetitive 'no content' and would turn off almost any1 of ever doing it, + it doesn't affect other ppl and it has a potential to generate some income to zos.1 -
NeillMcAttack✭✭✭✭✭
✭What is the problem, the invisible hand will guide the market in our best interests? Let the market be free.
And honestly, if there are less grinds in the game, can't ZOS and ourselves just get back to focusing on more ways to provide customer satisfaction. Like developing ways the players can move characters from one server/platform to another, upgrading the server farms, the netcode, and developing more ways to play the game....PC EU - NoCP PvP, is real PvPTiidehunter Nord StamDK EP PvP MainLegion Commander Tresdin Stamplar DC PvE MainSephirith Altmer MagPlar EP Gondar the Bounty Hunter Khajiit StamBlade DCThe Dirge Redguard StamNecro EP Disruptor Stormcrafter Nord StamSorc ADLone Druid Bosmer Stam Warden EP Necro-Phos Argonian MagBlade AD@ McAttack in gamePlayed since beta, and then on console at release, until the game became unplayable on console.0 -
Elsterchen✭✭✭✭✭
✭prototypefb wrote: »Elsterchen wrote: »@Lloydmp ; @prototypefb ; @Mettaricana
The thing that bothers me, is that this will be the first crown store item that enables players to pay for rewards gained by not actively playing the game. And I think there is a big difference to skipping down time (as done in riding lessons, or research times)
I understand players saying: "the content is boring and I like to skip it on my alts, but hey, ofc i want the reward". I really do understand that notion.
Yet, this argument is applicable to all content ESO offers - a given number of players will find questing and/or PVEing and/or PVPing boring and will like to skip these contents on alts -> without refraining from getting the rewards (ofc).
And thats the point when I think: Rather take the time and gather those stupid shards then allow CS-trial unlocks, CS-dungeon-unlocks or CS-PVP-rank unlocks ... all of these are just the same as CS-skyshard unlocks: crown store based ways to pay for skipping content and yet getting rewarded.
Imo in the long run the option to buy rewards without taking part in the content will be really bad for this games health.
'the content' you're talking is getting to skyshard and pressing a button - not much of a content, if you hav to do the same on 15 characters, it's repetitive 'no content' and would turn off almost any1 of ever doing it, + it doesn't affect other ppl and it has a potential to generate some income to zos.
So what exactly is the difference to running dungeon X or trial Y?
Its content, its repetitive, and its inconvinient to have to run it with all alts. edit: and its potentially creating income for Zeni.
At least thats how I see it, some may argue only PVP fullfill these requirements, or only dungeon runs, or only trials, or any other combination thereof... point is: technically there is no difference.Edited by Elsterchen on April 14, 2019 2:29PM0 -
Wildberryjack✭✭✭✭✭
✭THIS I feel is headed straight into pay to win. This unlocks instantly SKILL POINTS that directly affect your game play. Bad move, they should not do this. It's the first step down a very slippery slope that could end up killing this game as no one likes P2W games and they always end up dying.The purpose of art is washing the dust of daily life off our souls. ~Pablo Picasso0 -
prototypefb✭✭✭✭Elsterchen wrote: »prototypefb wrote: »Elsterchen wrote: »@Lloydmp ; @prototypefb ; @Mettaricana
The thing that bothers me, is that this will be the first crown store item that enables players to pay for rewards gained by not actively playing the game. And I think there is a big difference to skipping down time (as done in riding lessons, or research times)
I understand players saying: "the content is boring and I like to skip it on my alts, but hey, ofc i want the reward". I really do understand that notion.
Yet, this argument is applicable to all content ESO offers - a given number of players will find questing and/or PVEing and/or PVPing boring and will like to skip these contents on alts -> without refraining from getting the rewards (ofc).
And thats the point when I think: Rather take the time and gather those stupid shards then allow CS-trial unlocks, CS-dungeon-unlocks or CS-PVP-rank unlocks ... all of these are just the same as CS-skyshard unlocks: crown store based ways to pay for skipping content and yet getting rewarded.
Imo in the long run the option to buy rewards without taking part in the content will be really bad for this games health.
'the content' you're talking is getting to skyshard and pressing a button - not much of a content, if you hav to do the same on 15 characters, it's repetitive 'no content' and would turn off almost any1 of ever doing it, + it doesn't affect other ppl and it has a potential to generate some income to zos.
So what exactly is the difference to running dungeon X or trial Y?
Its content, its repetitive, and its inconvinient to have to run it with all alts. edit: and its potentially creating income for Zeni.
At least thats how I see it, some may argue only PVP fullfill these requirements, or only dungeon runs, or only trials, or any other combination thereof... point is: technically there is no difference.
btw you can get carried in dungeons and trials already if you want...
dungeons and trials are done for the purpose of collecting specific item or getting achievement(skin/undaunted exp) big difference to collecting skyshards imo. discussing this kind of stuff is rly a waste of time tbf.
crowns for skyshards on alts seems perfectly reasonable convenience itme to me, end of story...0 -
CiNNeR✭✭✭It's nice if we can skip the skyshard hunt and horseback riding skills instead of doing that for the fourteenth time. I am only affraid it will cost a lot of crowns/money.0
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collecting them 2nd time is waste of time. it should be account wide for free or for some amount of goldElsterchen wrote: »collecting them is quite an experience in game.
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