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Account wide horse training
SgtSilock
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I asked a few of my guilds if they would be bothered if in a latest update, ZoS introduced account wide horse training, and there was an OVERWHELMING YES. So many people would hate this idea, and I don’t know why. Maybe it gives them something to keep coming back to.
Only thing I might know, is it’ll never happen even if developers were so inclined, I guess it would make too many people angry.
What’s your thoughts on this? Stay or go?
Edited by SgtSilock on April 13, 2019 3:56PM Only thing I might know, is it’ll never happen even if developers were so inclined, I guess it would make too many people angry.
What’s your thoughts on this? Stay or go?
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Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Not going to happen tbh, they make to much $ off the store with those horse books12 -
Alinhbo_Tyaka✭✭✭✭✭
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I think it is just personality types. There are those that feel if it was hard for them it must be hard for everyone. You also have folks who just like grind and you don't get much more grind in this game than mount leveling. I suspect in the PvP world there is some competitiveness involved as faster mounts add to survival chances. Lastly you have groups that always say no to any suggested change just because. So the reaction you received does not really surprise me at all.1 -
Ertosi✭✭✭✭✭
✭Other than CP and Collections, which are designed to be account wide, nothing else should be.
What happens to one character should not affect the others.PC NA @Ertosi♠♦ My Team ♥♣
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Dru – Stamplar
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Figs – Stamblade Sneakthief [Master Thief]
Sir Price – Stamblade Bow Ganker [Daedric Lord Slayer]
Maya – Stamblade Speedster
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Balzar – StamSorc Blitzer
Winnie – PetSorc Thunder Mage
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No new crafting or game systems for 2019? "Season of the Dragon" would be better named "The Year of no New Major Features"
https://i.imgur.com/TPscgS9.jpg to see major features of the last few years compared.
https://i.imgur.com/X8qY0gP.jpg to see a detailed comparison of this year's Q1 to the last two Q1s.
https://i.imgur.com/4z71cK8.jpg to see a detailed comparison of each years' first two quarters combined.
https://i.imgur.com/jrHe5h8.jpg to see a projected comparison of the full years and what 2019's Q4 will need to catch up.
Unsubbed January 15th, 2019 due to the lack of any new substantial features shown to be coming in 2019.4 -
CMDR_Un1k0rn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Peversely I actually quite like that it takes time to train our horses.
Probably the stablehand in me. That year of my life taught me a lot, above all else, patience. Essential for dealing with two stallions LOL.In-game username: Un1korn | Happy member of the PCNA UESP guild (Resident Daggerfall Covenant enjoyer) | Main & basically only character: Crucian Vulpin, Imperial Dragonknight of the Daggerfall Covenant, and Undaunted Bulwark (I tank) | Mountain bike enjoyer and vulpine appreciator | If you know me from PCEU: No | To ZOS: THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME BRING MY HORSE INTO BATTLE!3 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Alinhbo_Tyaka wrote: »
I think it is just personality types. There are those that feel if it was hard for them it must be hard for everyone. You also have folks who just like grind and you don't get much more grind in this game than mount leveling. I suspect in the PvP world there is some competitiveness involved as faster mounts add to survival chances. Lastly you have groups that always say no to any suggested change just because. So the reaction you received does not really surprise me at all.
There are also a lot of people who just don't see the need for everything to be made instant in a genre that is designed to be played over a long time, as well as those who see their characters as separate individuals in a role-playing game and not just a combined extension of the player.3 -
Cave_Canem✭✭✭I like to think of my characters as a cohort of adventurers brought together through their shared experience of defending Tamriel against Molag Bal. In one of my Houses I have a hall of 15 beds, each matching the racial style of a particular character. They travel and adventure independently, often having their own "homes" but no matter what else occurs in their lives, they have a common home as well that they get together in.
With this, I can justify:
Account-wide Mounts, Pets and Costumes - no character has the same of any of these.
Shared CP: As most of my characters contributed to the CP XP pool, I think of it as a group of people living in close proximity sharing their experiences in such detail as for all to benefit. I can find an analogy in real life as well, where, if I'm with an experienced colleague, I can pass on new information quickly, but a newbie doesn't have the base skills or experience to understand what I'm saying (I'm in IT, but I think this works for most professions). Which is why you can't share before level 50.
Shared Riding, its a hard one for me, if the justification works for shared CP, why doesn't it work for Riding skill? For now I go with riding is a lot more than just skill; because you are dealing with a stable full of independent living creatures it needs empathy and intuition which are not easily transferred skills. Its your ability to build a trust relationship with an animal to make it ride at its fastest, follow your commands when injured and do all this while carrying enormous loads. You also have to pay for riding training, which implies time spent with an animal and a professional to help you understand how to build this relationship. It seems right to me that this isn't an account wide enhancement.
On a similar vein, I don't like the concept of shared Skyshards. These are objects that fall from Aetherius, and they magically transfer knowledge when you re-assemble the three parts back into their original prisms. My characters can talk about this mystical experience amongst themselves all they want, but it doesn't replicate the experience, though it should encourage the more power hungry of them to go out and find some for themselves.
Lorebooks, I could go either way, though frankly for me the best way would be to use the current system, where once a character has read all the lorebooks for a region they can buy them as furniture. If you have a lorebook in your house and one of your characters reads it, they should get the benefit.
In the end, its a game set in a fantasy world with magic, so 'magic' can be the justification for anything. For the most part, I just like the way it is now, a good balance of sharing assets previously worked for while still forcing some personal goal setting for individual characters. I won't be angry if the account-wide sharing pool increases, I'll just have to work harder to justify why.
EDIT: typos.Edited by Cave_Canem on April 13, 2019 5:02PM1 -
Androconium✭✭✭✭✭
✭Alinhbo_Tyaka wrote: »
I think it is just personality types. There are those that feel if it was hard for them it must be hard for everyone. You also have folks who just like grind and you don't get much more grind in this game than mount leveling. I suspect in the PvP world there is some competitiveness involved as faster mounts add to survival chances. Lastly you have groups that always say no to any suggested change just because. So the reaction you received does not really surprise me at all.
You think wrong.
It takes 6 months to develop all riding skills. It's about keeping you subscribed and spending money.
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technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭They are doing skyshards via crown store next but I think it will be priced similarly to riding lessons now, or maybe they will change that to however they do skyshards if that works out, but I would not expect just a free account wide solution. They make money off it whether from keeping you subbed and doing the time gate, or purchasing 1 by 10 -
Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Androconium wrote: »Alinhbo_Tyaka wrote: »
I think it is just personality types. There are those that feel if it was hard for them it must be hard for everyone. You also have folks who just like grind and you don't get much more grind in this game than mount leveling. I suspect in the PvP world there is some competitiveness involved as faster mounts add to survival chances. Lastly you have groups that always say no to any suggested change just because. So the reaction you received does not really surprise me at all.
You think wrong.
It takes 6 months to develop all riding skills. It's about keeping you subscribed and spending money.
Before yes but if you have enough $ or gold in game you can instantly level your horses to all 60 in same hour of your character creation0 -
Mik195✭✭✭✭✭
✭If I spun up a new alt for PVP, I would be annoyed that they would be at a major disadvantage for 2 months unless I spent real money so for those people reducing the time makes sense.
Maybe mount training should be like leveling where you progress quicker at lower levels. If you monumentally increased your speed at lower riding levels then increased it somewhat less at higher riding levels, it might help to let people do what they want faster.
For me personally, I just want to he able to interact with the stablemaster while mounted. If I can shop while mounted, why can't I buy a horse?1 -
Itzmichi✭✭✭✭✭I asked a few of my guilds if they would be bothered if in a latest update, ZoS introduced account wide horse training, and there was an OVERWHELMING YES. So many people would hate this idea, and I don’t know why. Maybe it gives them something to keep coming back to.
Only thing I might know, is it’ll never happen even if developers were so inclined, I guess it would make too many people angry.
What’s your thoughts on this? Stay or go?
It's just not realistic, it's a featured item in the crown store, so why would someone cut down their income? I mean the idea itself is way overdue, but it's never gonna happen.Here, have a chill pill 💊!0 -
Sheezabeast✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Instead of account wide, I want ZOS to make us able to train all 3 lessons in the same day, same cool down. It would make maxing easier since all three would be the same level if you trained all three.Grand Master Crafter, Beta baby who grew with the game. PC/NA. @Sheezabeast if you have crafting needs!2 -
AlnilamE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »Instead of account wide, I want ZOS to make us able to train all 3 lessons in the same day, same cool down. It would make maxing easier since all three would be the same level if you trained all three.
That would be nice.The Moot Councillor0 -
Wuuffyy✭✭✭✭✭
✭These people...Wuuffyy,
WW/berserker playstyle advocate (I play ALL classes proficiently in PvP outside of WW as well)
ESO player since 2014 (Xbox and PC for PTS)
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Lumenn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Personally I just wish I could train my alts w/o logging back and forth. I'll pay, but let me do it on the character I'm playing and go. As an aside, removing the 20 hr time requirement would be nice. Not necessary, but nice.0 -
Bouldercleave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »Instead of account wide, I want ZOS to make us able to train all 3 lessons in the same day, same cool down. It would make maxing easier since all three would be the same level if you trained all three.
I've suggested the same thing every time that this comes up. It's a VERY fair compromise and is the only real solution that makes sense.3 -
Reevster✭✭✭✭✭If I spun up a new alt for PVP, I would be annoyed that they would be at a major disadvantage for 2 months unless I spent real money so for those people reducing the time makes sense.
Maybe mount training should be like leveling where you progress quicker at lower levels. If you monumentally increased your speed at lower riding levels then increased it somewhat less at higher riding levels, it might help to let people do what they want faster.
For me personally, I just want to he able to interact with the stablemaster while mounted. If I can shop while mounted, why can't I buy a horse?
When entering PVP riding should be maxed regardless of your riding skill lvl I could get down with that. But not in PvE.
Might even get more people playing PVP cause your at a serious disadvantage if you use a toon with low riding skills.
I see in chat from time to time in Cyrodiil that you need max riding skill or you don't get to join said group.0 -
navystylz_ESO✭✭✭✭Shared Riding, its a hard one for me, if the justification works for shared CP, why doesn't it work for Riding skill?
Nothing more needs be said. Rather a CP node for horse riding than some of what's in there. They still could sell scrolls. I'd argue they would probably sell more if riding was account wide. Then the price would actually be worth it and people could splurge to Max it. Don't touch the things now because it's only effective on 1 char. Rather just suck it up and train as I remember and use rapid maneuvers in the interim.0 -
navystylz_ESO✭✭✭✭Androconium wrote: »Alinhbo_Tyaka wrote: »
I think it is just personality types. There are those that feel if it was hard for them it must be hard for everyone. You also have folks who just like grind and you don't get much more grind in this game than mount leveling. I suspect in the PvP world there is some competitiveness involved as faster mounts add to survival chances. Lastly you have groups that always say no to any suggested change just because. So the reaction you received does not really surprise me at all.
You think wrong.
It takes 6 months to develop all riding skills. It's about keeping you subscribed and spending money.
No one subs so they can max riding. You either sub or you don't. And you don't need to be subbed to even train it.1 -
Saucy_Jack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Alinhbo_Tyaka wrote: »There are those that feel if it was hard for them it must be hard for everyone.
I've never understood this mentality; it's like douchebaggery in distilled form.
Like, if I've gone through something super-hard, I'd be like "wow, I don't wish that on anyone else." Why would anyone actively advocate for someone else to go through what that person thought was excruciating? You see this in hospitals all the time; residents are expected to work on no sleep for multiplie shifts because "that's how training's always been done" - even though having residents deal with patients on no sleep is an excellent way for patients to get terrible/incorrect/negligent care.
Edited by Saucy_Jack on April 13, 2019 7:53PMALL HAIL SNUGGLORR THE MAGNIFICENT, KING OF THE RNG AND NIRN'S ONE TRUE GOD! Also, become a Scrub-scriber! SJ Scrubs: Playing games badly to make you feel better about yourself.1 -
Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'm always surprised at the idea that people actually spend crowns on those riding lessons. Seems like one of the bigger wastes of money in the crown store.
Don't really have a strong opinion one way or the other on mount training - it's just a thing you do, isn't really a big deal to do on each character. But, then, I'm not a pvper. /shrug0 -
BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Remember when you had to train each mount individually? I kinda miss those days.0 -
LadySinflower✭✭✭✭✭If everything that we worked to give our very first character was then spread account-wide, what would be the reason to level alts? Having to repeat the grind on all characters, however tedious, gives some longevity to your game-playing experience. There is always stuff to do, stuff to work on. If you complete everything on one character and want to keep playing, you can start another character. You know there will be lots of work to do to get that character where you want it, even with CP already being there.1 -
Reevster✭✭✭✭✭Saucy_Jack wrote: »Alinhbo_Tyaka wrote: »There are those that feel if it was hard for them it must be hard for everyone.
I've never understood this mentality; it's like douchebaggery in distilled form.
Like, if I've gone through something super-hard, I'd be like "wow, I don't wish that on anyone else." Why would anyone actively advocate for someone else to go through what that person thought was excruciating? You see this in hospitals all the time; residents are expected to work on no sleep for multiplie shifts because "that's how training's always been done" - even though having residents deal with patients on no sleep is an excellent way for patients to get terrible/incorrect/negligent care.
I have never understood this mentality. others have to work for it but I don't have too.
This thought process produces slugs that live in their parents basements at age 30 to 40 and beyond.0 -
Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭there are too many people in this world who think that if they "suffered" so must everyone else.
but honestly personaly I would be happy if they let me train a horse more then once a day. but... it will not happen for as long as books are on crown store
but seriously.... account wide horse training would be fantastic, and I say that as someone who trained mounts for 13 characters the long way. it would be nice to be able to make alts and NOT have to wait at least a month before their movement speed is not a complete slooooooooow horror show.dirty worthless casual.
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Zorrin✭✭✭✭✭Personally, I like being able to keep some of my characters at lower speed skills. Horses and guar look especially ridiculous at speed 60, but senche and wolves aren't too bad, so I like being able to "handicap" certain characters' speed skill depending on what they ride.
That being said, I'd be all for removing or shortening the cool down timer on training, but it's unlikely to happen for the same reason account-wide riding skills are unlikely to happen: crown store lessons.0
