i don't watch most mag sorc videos either, or stamblade videos for that matter. It is boring to watch good players smash pugs with such OP low effort/skill classes/builds. Show a magplar, magdk, magblade or even a stamplar winning a 1v12 and people will be truly impressed. Until then, meh.

Akinos wrote: »

i don't watch most mag sorc videos either, or stamblade videos for that matter. It is boring to watch good players smash pugs with such OP low effort/skill classes/builds. Show a magplar, magdk, magblade or even a stamplar winning a 1v12 and people will be truly impressed. Until then, meh.

See it all the time

3...2...1...boom.

For me, this goes in game as well - I don't even play my mag sorc, stam warden or stam nb because easy-mode is boring.

It's the same rotations you do over and over and over again - I like to play the underdogs because I like the challenge.

That way, when you win, you know that you've deserved it.

1vX's, especially longer fights like this, aren't boring because of the sheer length of the clip. It's due to the meta and how all these players that "Xv1" are playing. The healers with at least one thumb and a mitigation set on are completely unkillable 1v1 with 810cp, and even more so Xv1. They simultaneously can toss out 10k+ heals and synergies, proc sets like earthgore, and use defensive ults on cooldown with no consequence to their role. The tanks are running 40-60k health, guard, and literally do nothing but guard the healers or squishy DPS and rez spam as soon as someone goes down. The "Damage builds" are all wearing 1-3 protective and bloodspawn, and most don't even run double damage sets (many choose to pair their 1-3 protective and bloodspawn w/fortified, steadfast, wizards, swift, trans, reactive, etc). As a solo 1vX player fighting these sorts of groups, not only do you have almost no hope of fully wiping the group unless they are as thirsty/uncoordinated as the one that chased malcom, but actually killing anyone in these groups is a huge task which results in you spending a lot more time playing defensively than offensively. 1vXing a year or two ago was a lot more entertaining because you actually had the tools to deal with these players, and with a lower CP most of the healers and tanks could still be killed one way or another.

The survive to win meta is completely killing solo and small scale (5 or smaller) play. Most of the players who used to enjoy solo or 4 man PvP are now running in 6-10 man groups with their own healers and tanks, perpetuating the survive meta even further. Honestly there are so many players out here now who one year ago wouldn't have even been able to 3v1 you, who can now just equip 30k health, heavy armor, and use defensive ults on cooldown to beat you 2/3v1 every time.

If ZOS would nerf these sorts of playstyles and buff players that actually want to kill people, we might see a shift in the meta that allows for 1vXing and small scale to become more enjoyable again. First off, without a massive rework, 810 CP is far too much. Especially when you consider that the tanks and healers can put their blue points entirely into blessed, elfborn, and staff attacks (resto/lightning heavy attacks) without sacrificing anything at all. On the other side of the coin, a damage build doesn't have an option to sacrifice red or green points for more damage, whatsoever (unless you count befoul, which is a very niche node that also requires a specific debuff to be run). Thus when you end up with a fully specc'd healer vs even the top end damage builds, the healer can survive indefinitely every time (often with little effort as well, while the damage build needs to do a flawless rotation). Same exact thing goes for tanks.

Second, defensive ults and defensive buff/proc sets (earthgore, bogdan, trans, reactive, gossamer, chokethorn, meridias) are just out of control. The ults cost too little and can be used on cooldown with no consequence to a healer or tank's role. The sets just provide such ridiculous amounts of mitigation and healing that they can independently overpower everything a damage build does while being Xv1'd. The cost needs to be increased heavily on defensive ults, so that they can still be saved up for and used as an "Oh s***" button, but so they cannot be used more frequently than a player fighting 4 others by his/her self can build a dawnbreaker. The sets wouldn't be as much of an issue in No-cp, as sacrificing any regen/stats in no cp is actually a sacrifice when you don't have 810 cp to carry every aspect of your build. Unfortunately in CP there is no trade off to running defensive sets on a healer or tank, so to balance them for that there would need to be a rework to either the sets or CP.

Finally, we need a Resurrection cooldown. I'm extremely nervous for the necro ult that is being released, because Resurrection in tandem with tank builds in CP is already such a huge issue. Imagine if you're fighting a 6-10 man group, working as hard as possible to take the healer down. The healer finally goes down after you've expended tons of resources and time to do so, and a necromancer just ults the healer right back up from the dead. No counterplay. If a player dies, there either needs to be a cooldown from the moment they die until they can be resurrected again (30 seconds - 1 minute), or a player that has just been resurrected needs to be set on a 2-3 minute cooldown where they cannot be resurrected again.


If we see some changes to the survive to win meta, MAYBE 1vX and small scale will be fun again. Right now it's pretty much banging your head against the wall over and over again, getting zerged by groups you can't possibly outmaneuver, praying that if you spend enough time in cyro you'll stumble across a group of extremely weak players without dedicated tanks and healers.

Tbf in a 1vX you spend most of the time on the defensive or repositioning, you dont get a huge window to kill.

You know what would fix all this? dynamic ult gen. Nerf battle roar, and give up dynamic ult gen back!

Lord-Otto wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Tbf in a 1vX you spend most of the time on the defensive or repositioning, you dont get a huge window to kill.

Yeah. Kind of. But then I remember old videos, from players that already left, and there's a lot more action there.

Well yeah there was, but thats because everyone takes x10 longer to kill than back then, so in a 1vX you rarely see someone take people out in quick succession anymore (unless maybe stamNB) so clips are alot longed cause majority of the clip is running around rocks until you get a kill window, pvp needs a big overhaul imo.