Kikke wrote: »

You don't need perfected gear unless you can do HMs tbh.

Its not just about need, it about the feeling of that you will never be complete in gear, in games like this people like to reach their max potential, its not worth it to upgrade non perfected gear to gold and in general you will never get BiS gear so that is very discouraging.

Vet trials are extreemly hard enough on their own, its probably enough of a challenge to get BiS gear

You do not even need perfected gear for HMs lol. Unless you are trying to be on the very top of the leader boards ( Granted, I play on Console Exp ).

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Kikke wrote: »

You don't need perfected gear unless you can do HMs tbh.

Its not just about need, it about the feeling of that you will never be complete in gear, in games like this people like to reach their max potential, its not worth it to upgrade non perfected gear to gold and in general you will never get BiS gear so that is very discouraging.

Vet trials are extreemly hard enough on their own, its probably enough of a challenge to get BiS gear

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Kikke wrote: »

Progression:
Julianos / mother sorrow pre dungeons.
Mother sorrow / Burning Spellweave: pre trial progression
Burning spellweave / spell strat: Early trial progression.
Non-Perfected Siroria / spell strat: Near end trial progression.
Perfected Siroria / spell strat: End Game Setup. Total BiS, End of the Line. You've done it all! GG!

So please, can you further explain how PERFECTED gear is PROGRESSION gear please?

I'd rather get properly rewarded with Perfected gear for upping the difficulty with HM and completing it.

Otherwise, what's the incentive for doing it again after unlocking the cosmetics for the 1st completion?

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Perfected gear isn't "progression" gear. You really only need it if you are doing that content.

Outside of the Asylum's Perfected Destruction Staff, the difference between "perfected" and "non-perfected" is minuscule.

The difference is not that small, an entire group buff set from the new trials gives the whole party 129 weapon damage which is equivalent to 1 perfected set piece and people will be all over that set and it will become BiS. You can do without it ofc, but you can do without so many things.

Also you need perfected gear to do hard modes but you need hard modes to get perfected gear.

Its like you need 5 years of experience to get a job and you need a job to get 5 years of experience

This aint WoW, Where BiS gear carries you to victory. You can have the best gear in game and still only do 15k DPS.

This game is about ROTATION, ATTENTION, BUILD, WEAVING and Group support.
If you dont have any of these but wear BiS gear. you will still suck! thats the truth.

ps: People using Perfected weapons (Asulym) did not use the weapon to down HM..
People killed vCR+1/+2+/+3 without Perfected armor.

So saying you NEED perfected gear for HM's is a bad point. as Noone else ever needed it.

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

P.S. I know already there will be comments of oh, why don't they just hand you the gear when you just walk in the trial or dumb generic stuff like that, we can just completely ignore them since this is just a standard bot response regardless of the situation or context.

In other words: Please, just tell me what I want to hear xD

But having BIS gear is mostly meaningless you get getting such a tiny advantage over non BIS gear it is only ever going to matter if you are trying to get on the leaderboards not just trying to complete stuff.

Also you need perfected gear to do hard modes but you need hard modes to get perfected gear.

Stop lying OP I've done every HM in game except Cloudrest, but done vcr+1 and 2 many times, and I still don't have full perfected siroria. Up until recently I didn't even have a inferno Vma staff because of RNG.
As a exanple recently cleared vMOL HM with the set up Burning spellweave/mother sorrow then again with vMA staff non perfected siroria/spell strat with absolutely no problem.
I've played this game for over 4 yers and done trials for a long time, but no I still don't have the end set up. END SET UP! NOT PROGRESSION GEAR! stop complaining and just buy loot runs if it's that big of a problem for you.

Tasear wrote: »

Issue honestly is lacking rewards at different levels

Normal trials
Normal hardmode trials - jelewery system with cloudrest helped

Need something for vet trial not just purple gear. Cloudrest was bad for this. How about decent titles in future.

Hardmode - comestic sellable or not,

I thought that they did a great job with Cloudrest and their perfected gear. Olorime, Siroria and Relequen are all the best sets for certain content. Players who could not complete vCR +3 could still have access to it, players who could not complete even vet Cloudrest, still had access to the non-perfect gear, which is only marginally behind their perfected versions. It gave a reason to run the trial on normal, it gave a reason to run it on veteran (since score pushing is going to want those perfect versions to squeeze out all the possible dps).

Would it have been nice if there was a polymorph to sell, like vAS, perhaps, you could make some gold from it. That being said, I've cleared vAS HM about 50 times now, and have only seen 4 polymorphs drop in all those clears. I'm not exactly banking on getting one, nor does the chance of it dropping change my desire to do that content.

olsborg wrote: »

I agree with OP. Perfected wep specially are extremely strong in pvp, I find it annoying and unfair that pvers only will have access to these strong weapons.

So, the well-rounded players, who do both PVP AND PVE have access to weapons that are stronger than those who only do one type of content.

Seems fair. They do more, they get more.

I agree with OP. Perfected wep specially are extremely strong in pvp, I find it annoying and unfair that pvers only will have access to these strong weapons.

While I can´t be sure, I suspect it is not so much perfected weapons as playing vs players who are strong enough to get perfected weapons.

It´s kind of like Harvard: You can get an education that is pretty much as good as a Harvard education in countless other places. The use of a Harvard diploma is it shows you were smart enough to get into Harvard (or had a millionaire actress mother it seems ).

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

This new trend of locking perfected gear behind hard mode, also every set having multiple peaces meaning you have to do it a lot to get all what you need, is just stupid and discouraging. 99% of the player base will never have BiS gear and can never hope to get it.

Leave progression gear out of hard mode and keep it for cosmetics and leaderboards and those who just want a challenge. Don't lock the best game gear behind it.

Perfect gear is not progression gear, in fact, people progressing through CR won’t have the gear gathered yet. It’s for groups pushing scores and leaderboards positions, and then only for certain roles, builds, and fights. However, not having perfected gear, doesn’t mean never having BiS gear. There are plenty of great sets around, also, the difference between the perfect /non-perfect versions from CR is not that significant, and you can get the latter from normal runs. As for having to do a trial multiple times in order to get pieces, well that’s not unique to Cloudrest. I think it’s nice to have something special as a reward for the hardest content in the game, especially in the case of CR, progressing through which is quite brutal. But the cool thing is that the gear is not so special that it gives too great of an advantage (unlike arena weapons, for example), so there is no real argument to be made for their acquisition on non-hard mode, besides wanting to have everything without completing everything (since in that scenario, most people would just do +O and be done with CR).

They have done a pretty good job with the perfected versions only being slightly better than non-perfected which really opened up content. I think they they still need more scaling though with the sets, there should be an intermediate set, or a better or worse set for Hardmode/normal. I don't think there should be a huge advantage for Hardmode gear and currently there isn't so I don't see this as a valid issue.

That said this game really is not gated by gear progression like WoW was/is, the majority of performance is purely rotation and with tweaking of setup you can still get solid numbers with just crafted/overland sets. There are a few things that over-perform: VMA bow, AS staff, VMA staff etc, even those require good play to really put them in the range where they are over-performing. If you don't light weave well or manage dots well those are not adding much value.