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Proc Sets -> Ability Sets?
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✭Sounds InterestingKeep this junk out of PVP all together, otherwise they are fine as-is for PVE
If this happens they will only be replaced by things like alchemists, ravager or seventh legion, and whatnot, those with withc you can currently achieve similar burs,t but everyone just sleeps over it. Then what, we will nerf those too? We will only see stalemate everywhere, even more so than we do now.
No, we need exactly this. Appropiete scaling components for the proc sets. Makes no sense that on No CP, and tanks do the same dmge with them.When the snows fall and the white winds blow,
the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives.
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Phatmattfu✭✭✭OtherProc sets may need to be toned down slightly.
I'd rather them add new sets with set bonuses that affect specific skills and give them new functions.
eg. Make the Warden bear gain aoe cleave etc.0 -
Jamini✭✭✭✭✭Leave it SimpleKeep this junk out of PVP all together, otherwise they are fine as-is for PVE
If this happens they will only be replaced by things like alchemists, ravager or seventh legion, and whatnot, those with withc you can currently achieve similar burs,t but everyone just sleeps over it. Then what, we will nerf those too? We will only see stalemate everywhere, even more so than we do now.
No, we need exactly this. Appropiete scaling components for the proc sets. Makes no sense that on No CP, and tanks do the same dmge with them.
Give up man. They won't listen. We are looking at cultists on a crusade who do not understand what balance is.
CA and Ravager builds are competitive with proc builds, if not even better in the hands of a good player. The only imbalance is that certain older proc sets do not match up to modern ones, and were utter trash for a very long time. (See Ashen Grip). Thus people *** when procs actually are competitive."Adapt. or Die."4 -
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✭ShedsHisTail wrote: »Just don't make proc sets available with Impen on them.
Won't affect PvE, will increase the cost of using them in PvP.
2 tremor
5 impreg body
5 viper jewlery + weapons
The goal is not to eliminate proc sets entirely, but to reduce their usage. Believe it or not, folks using proc sets don't like to die either. Forcing them to sacrifice survivability in exchange for the big numbers made available by proc sets creates a baked-in counterplay. Yes, they might still be able to proc-nuke folks here and there, but they'll also die more.
Side Note: Tremor has other issues besides proccing; primarily that it's in essence an on-demand proc that shouldn't work on players since it is activated by taunting. That said, it -does- require the player to allocate a skill slot to the taunt, so it effectively works as a sort of unreliable AOE-nuke-skill, more than a proc."As an online discussion of Tamrielic Lore grows longer, the probability of someone blaming a Dragon Break approaches 1." -- Sheds' Law
Have you seen the Twin Lamps?0 -
Proc damage is balanced to be competitive at a DPS level in PVE (especially for less experienced players) which makes it OP at a burst level in PVP.
Proc sets are actually underperforming in PvE on end game content like trials. I don't know any PvE players that actually use proc damage sets for trials. The only proc sets that are being used in PvE are ones that either buff the player/group or offer some king of debuff or utility.
In PvE it is a lot better to use straight up 5th piece stat sets. For instance using a set that gives 300-400 weapon/spell damage buffs up your damage output by up to 4k-5k more DPS (assuming that the player can output 40k+ dps) which is more than twice better than a set that procs for 10k damage every 5 secondsEdited by rosendoichinoveb17_ESO on June 21, 2017 6:39PM3 -
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✭Sounds InterestingAvran_Sylt wrote: »Seeing as proc sets are quite the rage now, I was wondering if the possibility of them being converted into actual "Ability" sets would be in any way beneficial. Essentially treating those procs as unique abilities that have their own scalingsSeems many arguments are to change the individual stats of proc sets so that they become more balanced in both PvE and PvP. This is why I think they should be considered abilities:.
PvE: Players stack the ever living shite outta damage and max resources, so if the current proc sets were revalued to scale to their current values if the player is at absurd amounts of spell/weapon/resources, this keeps those sets at the same relative effectiveness in PvE.
PvP: Players stack resistances/shields/max resources so they can survive assaults by those PvE builds mentioned above while still being competitive. Current proc sets without scalings allow for players to make up the damage that they lose by having very high base damages. If proc sets were scaled much like regular abilities, they'd have trade offs much like the rest of the players abilities would have if they go the tanky/sustain route.
This game could use some fresh abilities for variety if nothing else. I'd be really interested to see the Barahas Curse effect as a skill for utility/tanking (needs both a stam and mag morphs), and I would certainly spec into a VICECANNON skill for a poisionblade build.
That said, I think the novelty comes from NOT having to bar the skill, nor having an cost to it in the current gear proc system. More skills would mean we would need more skills on our bars, a UI re-work, etc. All characters need a third bar, and skills that are fire and forget, or centered on your character (ie healing ward) could be set to "auto cast" at given thresholds (customizable like in other MMOs).0 -
Avran_Sylt✭✭✭✭✭
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Yeah, I get that. What I mean is that they work as they do currently (% proc chance), just that their damage/effects would scale as if they were an actual player skill. You still don't need to bar them.0 -
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✭I run 5 viper, 5 eternal hunt, 2 selenes. I am a proctard! I also had 28 kills in one deathmatch in bg's earlier today in a 2v2v2.0 -
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✭✭✭stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »Take the "Knight Slayer" set for example, where the Oblivion damage applies to Players (i.e. not NPC's) then just make all proc-sets apply only to NPC's and not Players...problem solved
Nope: 3 million boss health = 300,000 damage proc done per heavy attack by Knight Slayer in particular.
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QuebraRegra✭✭✭✭✭
✭Sounds InterestingAvran_Sylt wrote: »@QuebraRegra
Yeah, I get that. What I mean is that they work as they do currently (% proc chance), just that their damage/effects would scale as if they were an actual player skill. You still don't need to bar them.
ah... ok then. Sure, make the procs scale with the governing ability.1 -
Ramzdonb16_ESO✭✭✭Procs need a tweak, but this aint it.AEdited by Ramzdonb16_ESO on April 10, 2019 2:55AM0 -
russelmmendoza✭✭✭✭✭
✭OtherBuff proc sets,
Because their nerfing all the class skills.
Let fights be decided on how well you proc.
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✭✭✭✭✭there are already ability sets from the arena
I personally do like proc sets as they give you a nice visual feedback and "add" something to the game...nothing is more boring than a passive bonus0 -
LordTareq✭✭✭✭✭Procs need a tweak, but this aint it.Anne_Firehawk wrote: »Anyone noticed theres not a single magicka based procset overperforming?
Zaan.
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r34lian✭✭✭✭✭
✭OtherI'd say remove pvp from this game md make it a different standalone game they're killing everything.2000 CP • 18 Maxed Characters • 6 Altmers • 7 Redguards • Necromancer Orc • Warden Dunmer • DK Nord • DK Imperial • Templar Breton3 -
oxygen_thief✭✭✭✭✭
✭Anne_Firehawk wrote: »Anyone noticed theres not a single magicka based procset overperforming?
Zaan.
It was posted 2years ago0 -
Ysbriel✭✭✭✭✭OtherMost of the proc sets are trash for both PvP and PvE unless you are talking about the ones that boost your damage by % chance if X factor or the ones that serve as an execute. . A lot of people complain about them but they really need to go back to the notepad and see what is really wrong with their character, ive taken 3 valkyn procs to that face in a row with a character that has 5 light 1 medium 1 heavy , all impenetrable and lived. IF you are dead all over the place because a monster set or other set armor procs, the problem is YOUI and not the proc set. One good thing that can improve the whole experience for those who don't seem to understand the at least wear one heavy, one medium if you are a 5 light with all impen rule, is to actually have all sets just have a 6% chance on PvP under the battle spirit buff, that way we can keep all sets in their full glory on PvE without having to nerf everything to the ground.0 -
MikaHR✭✭✭✭✭Sounds Interestingrusselmmendoza wrote: »Buff proc sets,
Because their nerfing all the class skills.
Let fights be decided on how well you proc.
Said that long time ago, just be done with it and first who procs wins.oxygen_thief wrote: »
It was posted 2years ago
Irony is that it is even MORE relevant 2 years later.Edited by MikaHR on April 10, 2019 8:04AM1 -
Mr_Walker✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Keep this junk out of PVP all together, otherwise they are fine as-is for PVE
If this happens they will only be replaced by things like alchemists, ravager or seventh legion, and whatnot, those with withc you can currently achieve similar burs,t but everyone just sleeps over it. Then what, we will nerf those too? We will only see stalemate everywhere, even more so than we do now.
No, we need exactly this. Appropiete scaling components for the proc sets. Makes no sense that on No CP, and tanks do the same dmge with them.
And have you given thought that tanks may use these sets for overland content, so it's not brain haemorrhage inducing painful?
Are you volunteering to follow me around when I want to do overland content and kill stuff as I taunt it?
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My StamDK is 3 of those 4 things and I still got my butt kicked most of the time.
Skoria Red mountain and Unfathomable Darkness for me. Pve and Pvp. Well 25kAp worth. I get smashed.1 -
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I sense resentment. I'd be mad too if I spent my days roleplaying in the town square then fighting little scripted monsters with the intelligence of a gnat. What a life.Soul19reaper wrote: »I'd say remove pvp from this game md make it a different standalone game they're killing everything.2 -
Mayrael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭We have first necromancer here. Necro thread.I'm done with this game because of ZOS pushing us into Vengeance, because they don't know how to fix Cyrodiil.1 -
Ri_Khan✭✭✭✭✭
✭OtherIt'd be nice to see less variables added to the equation until there's some kind of balance established. Maybe if they could figure that out eventually we'd see less of the try-hard, fotm cheese builds. Doubt it'll happen though, bad players need their crutches.0
