PSA - STOP THE WEREWOLF/VAMPIRE GRIEIFING - Want to be a were/vamp? Think again!

zamiel · April 2014

g33kcub wrote: »

Again, the OP stated: They are CAMPING THE SPAWN and CHARGING FOR THE RIGHT TO GET BITTEN.

And I'm saying that:
a) it's impossible to camp all the spawns all the time - considering I just helped about 50 people get wwd last time around (it was monday I think) I'm pretty sure spawns are only blocked for those who don't really want to put any effort into getting bitten (besides coming to the forums to whine obviously)
b) anyone paying for the 'right' to get bitten is seriously stupid and deserves to be scammed. When all the idiots get scammed out of all their money people will give up camping spawns for nothing.

g33kcub · April 2014

zamiel wrote: »

g33kcub wrote: »

Again, the OP stated: They are CAMPING THE SPAWN and CHARGING FOR THE RIGHT TO GET BITTEN.

And I'm saying that:
a) it's impossible to camp all the spawns all the time - considering I just helped about 50 people get wwd last time around (it was monday I think) I'm pretty sure spawns are only blocked for who don't really want to put any effort into getting bitten (besides coming to the forums to whine obviously)
b) anyone paying for the 'right' to get bitten is seriously stupid and deserves to be scammed. When all the idiots get scammed out of all their money people will give up camping spawns for nothing.

So... You're saying as a casual player that if I happen to not be able to get bitten because of these people camping. And let's say I'm not inclined to change camp/phase etc due to grouping or some such other reason, IE: anything other than laziness. That it is OK for me to not be able to access the spawns because of these idiots? Just checking.

zamiel · April 2014

g33kcub wrote: »

So... You're saying as a casual player that if I happen to not be able to get bitten because of these people camping. And let's say I'm not inclined to change camp/phase etc due to grouping or some such other reason, IE: anything other than laziness. That it is OK for me to not be able to access the spawns because of these idiots? Just checking.

And just why are you unable to type /camp and press enter? Or press P, right click on a name and left click on 'Travel to player'? Go to google.com type 'eso werewolf/vampire spawn locations' and press enter? Log out and log in?
I really would like to know a scenario where you can't use these features for a quest you so much want.

moxsapphire_ESO · April 2014

I think there should be serious drawbacks for being a werewolf or a vampire.

g33kcub · April 2014

I'm just saying. For me, this isn't a problem. I'm rather deft enough to use google and find a work around. BUT CLEARLY there are players who suffer from PEBKAC syndrome (See above post.) and might not be so inclined.

That being said, my question is still valid. If due to my inability to think outside of the box these players camping the spawn sites prevent me, during my limited time online, do you think that's acceptable?

zamiel · April 2014

moxsapphire_ESO wrote: »

I think there should be serious drawbacks for being a werewolf or a vampire.

There are. It's called getting instagibbed by fire/poision and silver bolts. PvE it's manageable but I would disadvise anyone trying PvP with it.

g33kcub wrote: »

That being said, my question is still valid. If due to my inability to think outside of the box these players camping the spawn sites prevent me, during my limited time online, do you think that's acceptable?

Since when googling (or simply reading /zone) is thinking outside the box? When did using common sense (like not giving money to total strangers) became a luxury item?
You seriously think that your average adult is incapable of these things?

Prospero_ESO · April 2014

Instead of yelling at Zenimax the community could easily handle that among themselves. It only needs a few vampire/werewolf players who are against the *** bags who are doing this. Go to the sites where those people are and offer the players free bites. If that would be done often enough, the scumbags will be forced to cheat people in another way which hopefully will take them some time.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · April 2014

The only way I think camping should be approved is if the area is turned into an open pvp area. So we can kill the griefers. Otherwise ZOS needs to do something about it. If its plant a GM there during spawn times and banning all those people for a 3 day weekend then thats what needs to be done. I find it hard to believe people in here are actually defending this kind of behavior. I can only guess they are part of the camp and want their money tree to continue to grow.

g33kcub · April 2014

Well if there wasn't a problem with the game, I'd be playing it too. Good thing it was confirmed by someone other than me that actually watched it happen server side.

Requielle · April 2014

Paske wrote: »

Its not nice.

But far from illegale.

Boss you need to finish a quest being spawn camped is different, because you are unable to continue with your quest.

Being bitten is not essential for game / quest progression.

As for people stating " you are unable to progress ", that is simply not true in this case. You simply need to be there when vampire / werewolf spawns and get bitten. Yes they willl kill the mob, but you simply need a second to get that bite.

It will take some effort for sure. But saying you are 100% unable to get biten because someone isn`t playing the way you want them is somewhat silly to say the least.

Basically - man up.

It doesn't have to be 'illegal' to be against the TOS. This isn't a court of law - it's a business. And as such, ZeniMax has the ability (and the incentive) to keep customers from extorting other customers for personal profit. And without any ambiguity, selling in-game content for actual money (the earlier reference to PayPal) is against the TOS and bannable. By every game I've ever played. For decades now.

And I sincerely hope the twits doing this get tossed out of Tamriel, in addition to ZeniMax coding some sort of fix to prevent it from being possible.

Reignskream · April 2014

Devs will take care of it, i wouldnt worry to much about it. Thanks for letting everyone know at OP. That way the devs will know whats going on, and can watch for it.

the.dzeneralb16_ESO · April 2014

As someone who is now a vamp, the first group of bloodfiends I found were killed, as were the second, then I found a third and finally got vampirism. I bring this up because I know the feeling a lot of people go through. With that said, what the players are doing is not wrong.

I say that because, for them, that is what they're doing for fun. Be it because of role-playing vampire/wolf hunters, or because they think it's funny they should not be stopped from doing it. Why? Because it's impossible to block all the spawns, there are many ways to get around this.

Also, there is a lot of hypocrisy here. You want zenimax to stop other plays having fun, so you could have fun?

the.dzeneralb16_ESO · April 2014

I think it's okay to do what you want as long as it's not harming anyone, which it isn't. Just because they're selling it, doesn't mean you should be buying it. The bites are worth what people are willing to pay for them.

Also, there are TONS of spawns, they aren't blocking them all, this is just making it slightly more inconvenient for you.

Also, I give my bites for free, I don't sell them.

Requielle · April 2014

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

With that said, what the players are doing is not wrong.

I say that because, for them, that is what they're doing for fun. Be it because of role-playing vampire/wolf hunters, or because they think it's funny they should not be stopped from doing it. Why? Because it's impossible to block all the spawns, there are many ways to get around this.

Also, there is a lot of hypocrisy here. You want zenimax to stop other plays having fun, so you could have fun?

I think it's okay to do what you want as long as it's not harming anyone, which it isn't. Just because they're selling it, doesn't mean you should be buying it. The bites are worth what people are willing to pay for them.

Also, there are TONS of spawns, they aren't blocking them all, this is just making it slightly more inconvenient for you.

Also, I give my bites for free, I don't sell them.

The content isn't theirs to monopolize and sell... especially for actual cash. And, while you may think it's OK to do whatever you want (as long as you aren't doing whatever you define as harm), the TOS you agreed to in order to play this game has whole lists of things you can't do that don't harm anyone. And can be amended at any time. Welcome to the difference between your personal ethics and contract law.

Sandhya · April 2014

This is completely irrelevant. What the poster states is that there are ways around it and this issue, like so many one can encounter in a large social environment where PEOPLE INTERACT (very important point to consider, that one) has its workarounds: you relog, you phase, /camp, come back next week, etcetera.

The alternative for that, is that we are going to be wasting ZOS development time that should be spent on true gamebreakers such as the main story questline. I don't want that. You don't want that. Within now and a month, maybe two, every pair of socks has been bitten and even your mom can become a vamp/WW, simply because it is so common by then. Oh, and a news flash: it truly requires some skill to survive as either one of these. If you have trouble contracting it, you sure as hell will find playing with it a nightmare. You've been warned.

Stop moaning and start playing, find workarounds for issues and stop looking like a child with serious lack of imagination and problem-solving abilities. With everything: the more you feel bothered by something, the more people will troll you with it. When you see these scammers, walk away. Come back another time, or in another place. It costs about half the time you've wasted ranting about this non-issue on this forum.

Damn.

the.dzeneralb16_ESO · April 2014

Requielle wrote: »

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

With that said, what the players are doing is not wrong.

I say that because, for them, that is what they're doing for fun. Be it because of role-playing vampire/wolf hunters, or because they think it's funny they should not be stopped from doing it. Why? Because it's impossible to block all the spawns, there are many ways to get around this.

Also, there is a lot of hypocrisy here. You want zenimax to stop other plays having fun, so you could have fun?

I think it's okay to do what you want as long as it's not harming anyone, which it isn't. Just because they're selling it, doesn't mean you should be buying it. The bites are worth what people are willing to pay for them.

Also, there are TONS of spawns, they aren't blocking them all, this is just making it slightly more inconvenient for you.

Also, I give my bites for free, I don't sell them.

The content isn't theirs to monopolize and sell... especially for actual cash. And, while you may think it's OK to do whatever you want (as long as you aren't doing whatever you define as harm), the TOS you agreed to in order to play this game has whole lists of things you can't do that don't harm anyone. And can be amended at any time. Welcome to the difference between your personal ethics and contract law.

This would be true if they were camping EVERY location on the map, which is impossible, and they aren't. If you were doing that, I would agree, but since they aren't and instead are just doing some, this is incorrect.

Requielle · April 2014

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

Requielle wrote: »

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

With that said, what the players are doing is not wrong.

I say that because, for them, that is what they're doing for fun. Be it because of role-playing vampire/wolf hunters, or because they think it's funny they should not be stopped from doing it. Why? Because it's impossible to block all the spawns, there are many ways to get around this.

Also, there is a lot of hypocrisy here. You want zenimax to stop other plays having fun, so you could have fun?

I think it's okay to do what you want as long as it's not harming anyone, which it isn't. Just because they're selling it, doesn't mean you should be buying it. The bites are worth what people are willing to pay for them.

Also, there are TONS of spawns, they aren't blocking them all, this is just making it slightly more inconvenient for you.

Also, I give my bites for free, I don't sell them.

The content isn't theirs to monopolize and sell... especially for actual cash. And, while you may think it's OK to do whatever you want (as long as you aren't doing whatever you define as harm), the TOS you agreed to in order to play this game has whole lists of things you can't do that don't harm anyone. And can be amended at any time. Welcome to the difference between your personal ethics and contract law.

This would be true if they were camping EVERY location on the map, which is impossible, and they aren't. If you were doing that, I would agree, but since they aren't and instead are just doing some, this is incorrect.

So, there is an exception in the TOS that allows me to convert ZeniMax's content into actual real-life cash in my pocket as long as I don't monopolize ALL of it? Really? Hot damn!

the.dzeneralb16_ESO · April 2014

Requielle wrote: »

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

Requielle wrote: »

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

g33kcub wrote: »

With that said, what the players are doing is not wrong.

I say that because, for them, that is what they're doing for fun. Be it because of role-playing vampire/wolf hunters, or because they think it's funny they should not be stopped from doing it. Why? Because it's impossible to block all the spawns, there are many ways to get around this.

Also, there is a lot of hypocrisy here. You want zenimax to stop other plays having fun, so you could have fun?

I think it's okay to do what you want as long as it's not harming anyone, which it isn't. Just because they're selling it, doesn't mean you should be buying it. The bites are worth what people are willing to pay for them.

Also, there are TONS of spawns, they aren't blocking them all, this is just making it slightly more inconvenient for you.

Also, I give my bites for free, I don't sell them.

The content isn't theirs to monopolize and sell... especially for actual cash. And, while you may think it's OK to do whatever you want (as long as you aren't doing whatever you define as harm), the TOS you agreed to in order to play this game has whole lists of things you can't do that don't harm anyone. And can be amended at any time. Welcome to the difference between your personal ethics and contract law.

This would be true if they were camping EVERY location on the map, which is impossible, and they aren't. If you were doing that, I would agree, but since they aren't and instead are just doing some, this is incorrect.

So, there is an exception in the TOS that allows me to convert ZeniMax's content into actual real-life cash in my pocket as long as I don't monopolize ALL of it? Really? Hot damn!

Do me a favor and don't assume from what I said. I'm simply saying that camping the spawns is not an issue or problem. Obviously selling bites for real life cash is a different issue, one I do not agree with. There's a reason why I did no bring it up at all, because I agree that it's wrong to do that and there was no need to discuss it.

Simply, camping the spawns is what I'm referring to, nothing to do with the selling of them.

Putok · April 2014

Just report them for griefing. If camping public dungeon bosses is a severe enough offense to warrant an account suspension, I'm sure this does as well, as it's even more disruptive to the "normal flow" of gameplay.

cubansyrusb16_ESO · April 2014

There are some guilds who supply loyal members with bites, the guild I am in is only for werewolfs or those looking to become one.

Well atleast on EU server we don't have guilds camping spots ...... We all know what the general feel of NA communities are like.

Sandhya · April 2014

Putok wrote: »

Just report them for griefing. If camping public dungeon bosses is a severe enough offense to warrant an account suspension, I'm sure this does as well, as it's even more disruptive to the "normal flow" of gameplay.

Do you (and others with similar opinion) even half-realize what the implications are of that? This is about 'where do you put the line' between griefing and 'intended gameplay'. Spawncamping can NOT be seen as griefing. Even if they are important spawns. Surely you realize this? Let me clarify with a simple, recognizable example:

So far since I started playing this game, players have been 'spawn camping' the bosses of solo-dungeons for several kills on end to get their blue item. When the group is big enough, you might not even get a hit in. If you're unlucky, you might even be waiting over 10 minutes to get your kill. And then a higher level enters the mix, hitting the boss and denying you yet another kill.

Are you going to report them for griefing, too?

People not to stop thinking their own playtime is the only thing that matters. And people need to learn to be creative, just as you would in real life. Heck, its almost like real life, isn't it? I guess that's intended

Requielle · April 2014

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

Requielle wrote: »

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

Requielle wrote: »

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

g33kcub wrote: »

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

With that said, what the players are doing is not wrong.

I say that because, for them, that is what they're doing for fun. Be it because of role-playing vampire/wolf hunters, or because they think it's funny they should not be stopped from doing it. Why? Because it's impossible to block all the spawns, there are many ways to get around this.

Also, there is a lot of hypocrisy here. You want zenimax to stop other plays having fun, so you could have fun?

I'll say this nice and slow... WTF.

You THINK it is ok to camp a spawn and then charge people to be able to gain access to it? Really? Can I have some of whatever you're smoking?

I think it's okay to do what you want as long as it's not harming anyone, which it isn't. Just because they're selling it, doesn't mean you should be buying it. The bites are worth what people are willing to pay for them.

Also, there are TONS of spawns, they aren't blocking them all, this is just making it slightly more inconvenient for you.

Also, I give my bites for free, I don't sell them.

The content isn't theirs to monopolize and sell... especially for actual cash. And, while you may think it's OK to do whatever you want (as long as you aren't doing whatever you define as harm), the TOS you agreed to in order to play this game has whole lists of things you can't do that don't harm anyone. And can be amended at any time. Welcome to the difference between your personal ethics and contract law.

This would be true if they were camping EVERY location on the map, which is impossible, and they aren't. If you were doing that, I would agree, but since they aren't and instead are just doing some, this is incorrect.

So, there is an exception in the TOS that allows me to convert ZeniMax's content into actual real-life cash in my pocket as long as I don't monopolize ALL of it? Really? Hot damn!

Do me a favor and don't assume from what I said. I'm simply saying that camping the spawns is not an issue or problem. Obviously selling bites for real life cash is a different issue, one I do not agree with. There's a reason why I did no bring it up at all, because I agree that it's wrong to do that and there was no need to discuss it.

Simply, camping the spawns is what I'm referring to, nothing to do with the selling of them.

Well, considering the entire point of this thread was people camping the spawns FOR PROFIT... oh, nevermind. You were posting about the issue that wasn't under discussion. Gotcha.

the.dzeneralb16_ESO · April 2014

The point of the thread was warning people not to buy them. Selling bites and camping the spawns are separate issues. Selling them for money and IRL money is also another issue. Just because someone agrees one of those is fine doesn't mean he agrees with the rest being fine.

Which is why I agree that it's fine to be camping the spawns and selling them FOR IN GAME MONEY. All they're doing is offering a service for a price, a price that can be controlled by by the rest of the community (by not paying it at X prices).

Can you get scammed? You bet, and you probably will. Does this make everyone a scammer? No, some people are not scamming others. It's a legitimate service to sell, and if you're taking the risk of giving someone that much money for something they don't have to follow up with, it's your risk to take.

Just like the same would be true if you were to give someone mats to craft you armor, you have no guarantee that they will give you anything back, but since you are not willing to do it yourself, you're taking that risk.

Nox_Aeterna · April 2014

Why is people even discussing this anymore. The mods already said you can REPORT the problem , a key word code was even given.

You see them doing it , you report them , it is so simple.

cheeser123 · April 2014

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Why is people even discussing this anymore.

Because this is a discussion forum. If you don't want to discuss customer service issues, stay off the customer service discussion forum.

Tarelyn · April 2014

cheeser123 wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Why is people even discussing this anymore.

Because this is a discussion forum. If you don't want to discuss customer service issues, stay off the customer service discussion forum.

excellence

Jade1986 · April 2014

These people are charging real money and making a profit from someone else's digital property, im PRETTY sure that's not legal.

the.dzeneralb16_ESO · April 2014

I think we can all agree that charging real money for bites should be bannable, right?

Nox_Aeterna · April 2014

cheeser123 wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Why is people even discussing this anymore.

Because this is a discussion forum. If you don't want to discuss customer service issues, stay off the customer service discussion forum.

Nice , so lets get this right, shall we?

A discussion started , mods actually answered to it , giving the solution.

Then people kept talking about right and wrong , which does not even matter since the mods already gave the answer anyway.

Ok , bash your heads to the wall all you want , i will enjoy watching :P.

Publius_Scipio · April 2014

Here's a cool idea. How about players (ones already infected) who are kind and feel for the other players being virtually extorted go around and bite players that want for free. That will dampen the clowns business model.

I am only level 21 and in Stormhaven but I will vow right now that when or if my character becomes infected I will give out bites FOR FREEEEEEE. That is my word.