The secret to 20k+ dps?

Wuuffyy · March 2019

dazee wrote: »

To anyone who came here to troll my thread and sling thinly veiled insults, I introduce you to my middle finger.

To anyone who came here genuinely trying to help, becuase 20k dps is NOT easy (if it was I'd have achieved it ages ago),
I changed a few things in my build and now am hitting very close if not 20k, havent actually done a dummy parse since the last improvement but it seems a lot better. dropped the sorc execute too, figured out its awful outside pvp. took haunting curse instead.

BTW those people who think 20k is sooo easy and have forgotten what it was like before they had all gold gear bis enchants and finely tuned builds? Seriously F off.

This and not posting any build info is how we know you are trolling. Props to you it’s halarious. Btw I can hit 30k with hundings and rele alone at 300 cp with blue gear

Davadin · March 2019

dazee wrote: »

You mean if you try doing a LA too fast it wont even register? thats super lame. I hope ZOS fixes it.

absolutely.

spamming left mouse button will screw u up.

clicking it at the right moment, for me at least, is the difference between 16k and 25k+.

Davadin · March 2019

dogman wrote: »

because everybody and their dog can pull 30k. Frankly, I don't understand how you can do below 20k on 500 CP.

let's not start name calling people who can't do even 20k DPS.

Give a bit more context so we can keep being civil around here.

if u got PvE gear, at least purple, with the right trait, it should be easy to do 20k DPS without any knowledge of animation cancelling.

weaving light attacks should make u hit 30k.

now doesn't that sound better?

Davadin · March 2019

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

dazee wrote: »

To anyone who came here to troll my thread and sling thinly veiled insults, I introduce you to my middle finger.

To anyone who came here genuinely trying to help, becuase 20k dps is NOT easy (if it was I'd have achieved it ages ago),
I changed a few things in my build and now am hitting very close if not 20k, havent actually done a dummy parse since the last improvement but it seems a lot better. dropped the sorc execute too, figured out its awful outside pvp. took haunting curse instead.

BTW those people who think 20k is sooo easy and have forgotten what it was like before they had all gold gear bis enchants and finely tuned builds? Seriously F off.

This and not posting any build info is how we know you are trolling. Props to you it’s halarious. Btw I can hit 30k with hundings and rele alone at 300 cp with blue gear

rele is not easy to get for casual players. people actually have to spend time "farming it" and not sucking every time.

and u do need SOME knowledge to hit 30k, not just gear.

i'm not defending OP or anything, but holy ***, 4 pages of "OMG 20k is NOOBIES, GIT GUD, 30k ANYONE AND THEIR DOGS CAN DO" *** is too much.

Yes OP could be trolling, yes OP doesn't share his build right in the beginning, and YES i see people trying to help.

but come on, dont just assume things.

30k DPS is NOT EASY FOR CASUAL PLAYERS.

no wonder people don't come to the forums anymore, sheesh.

sudaki_eso · March 2019

dazee wrote: »

Thanks to everyone actually being helpful. I am not sure what people want from me when they ask me to post my build, what format do you even want? screenshots? a type out of what I use? sheesh at this point screw that and screw asking for help here after how some people have acted.

Here is a simple template:

Class:
Mag or Stam:
Sets:
Rotation:

This is how i would answer, its really simple:

Class: Dragonknight
Mag or Stam: Stam
Sets: Relequen + Deadly Strike + Velidreth
Rotation: Endless Hail, Light Attack, Caltrops, Light Attack, Poison Injection, bar swap, Heavy Attack, Noxious Breath, Heavy Attack, Claw, Light Attack, Rendering slashes, Light Attack, Rendering Slashes, Light Attack, Beast Trap, Light Attack, Flames of Oblivion

Protossyder · March 2019

OP still didn't post his setup yet.. Not only does he suck at the game (which is not bad, everybody is trying to help him improve), but he also fails miserably at answering the simplest questions.

El_Borracho · March 2019

My first instincts were that this is a troll post. And after 4 pages, no specifics, lots of complaining about the horrors of light attack weaving, and zero input from the OP, my instinct have been confirmed. Just another thread where someone wants to turn ESO into a mindless button masher because they can't be bothered learning a rotation.

JadonSky · March 2019

StytchFingal wrote: »

And practice.

I'm 52. It took a while for me, but that really is what it came down to in the end to get me there. A bit more practice and I found myself doing 30k using 2h/bow without pots. The biggest hurdle was getting the light attacks to actually land. I had to work hard at slowing down my LA>skill so that the LAs registered.

^^^ this I had the same issue. Took a lot of practice to get the timing right with LA. Before I was only getting 24k max dps. With no changes to my build and practicing the time of my LA to make sure they were hitting i'm now at 43k with my magplar.
Now its just second nature to me but it is a learning curve for sure.

Lyserus · March 2019

What a waste of time for everyone trying to help lol
All op did is arguing light attack weaving is bad, give no information about the question and expect an actual answer.

At this point we don't even know if he is using 5 piece set bonus lol

Juhasow · March 2019

Davadin wrote: »

dazee wrote: »

You mean if you try doing a LA too fast it wont even register? thats super lame. I hope ZOS fixes it.

absolutely.

spamming left mouse button will screw u up.

clicking it at the right moment, for me at least, is the difference between 16k and 25k+.

Not true.

Juhasow · March 2019

Davadin wrote: »

dogman wrote: »

because everybody and their dog can pull 30k. Frankly, I don't understand how you can do below 20k on 500 CP.

let's not start name calling people who can't do even 20k DPS.

Give a bit more context so we can keep being civil around here.

if u got PvE gear, at least purple, with the right trait, it should be easy to do 20k DPS without any knowledge of animation cancelling.

weaving light attacks should make u hit 30k.

now doesn't that sound better?

Not true.

Juhasow · March 2019

Davadin wrote: »

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

dazee wrote: »

To anyone who came here to troll my thread and sling thinly veiled insults, I introduce you to my middle finger.

To anyone who came here genuinely trying to help, becuase 20k dps is NOT easy (if it was I'd have achieved it ages ago),
I changed a few things in my build and now am hitting very close if not 20k, havent actually done a dummy parse since the last improvement but it seems a lot better. dropped the sorc execute too, figured out its awful outside pvp. took haunting curse instead.

BTW those people who think 20k is sooo easy and have forgotten what it was like before they had all gold gear bis enchants and finely tuned builds? Seriously F off.

This and not posting any build info is how we know you are trolling. Props to you it’s halarious. Btw I can hit 30k with hundings and rele alone at 300 cp with blue gear

rele is not easy to get for casual players. people actually have to spend time "farming it" and not sucking every time.

and u do need SOME knowledge to hit 30k, not just gear.

i'm not defending OP or anything, but holy ***, 4 pages of "OMG 20k is NOOBIES, GIT GUD, 30k ANYONE AND THEIR DOGS CAN DO" *** is too much.

Yes OP could be trolling, yes OP doesn't share his build right in the beginning, and YES i see people trying to help.

but come on, dont just assume things.

30k DPS is NOT EASY FOR CASUAL PLAYERS.

no wonder people don't come to the forums anymore, sheesh.

Not true.

FrancisCrawford · March 2019

I finally started doing >20K self-buffed on 3m dummies when I started

JadonSky wrote: »

StytchFingal wrote: »

And practice.

I'm 52. It took a while for me, but that really is what it came down to in the end to get me there. A bit more practice and I found myself doing 30k using 2h/bow without pots. The biggest hurdle was getting the light attacks to actually land. I had to work hard at slowing down my LA>skill so that the LAs registered.

^^^ this I had the same issue. Took a lot of practice to get the timing right with LA. Before I was only getting 24k max dps. With no changes to my build and practicing the time of my LA to make sure they were hitting i'm now at 43k with my magplar.
Now its just second nature to me but it is a learning curve for sure.

Improved light attacks alone aren't going to contribute 19K to DPS. I suspect that the other issue is that unskilled players like me simply aren't firing off skills fast enough. Support for this guess is found in the fact that I consume less magicka in parses than people who get higher numbers seem to.

firedrgn · March 2019

dazee wrote: »

I've done everything the people in my guilds suggested, and have never broke 20k on a dummy. clearly dps is not easy even with 500+ CP. so whats the secret to actually doing high dps if doing everything I've been told to do isnt enough?

I did not read whole thread.

But.

You can do 25k on a pet sorc just heavy attacking.

Tatertodd · March 2019

This is definitely a troll thread. OP, have you downloaded a program called Minion yet? If you haven't stat with that. Then open minion and search for an Addon called Combat Metrics.

https://minion.mmoui.com/?download

RebornV3x · March 2019

lol can we let this troll thread die can we get a mod to lock this or something.

karekiz · March 2019

Juhasow wrote: »

Not true.

Not true.

MartiniDaniels · March 2019

It's all very different. At some point when you start to feel and understand this game you will do 30k in any trash sets while speaking on the phone in parallel. But before that you may sweat, concentrate and do only 15k.. so it's practice, analysis of parses, comparison of parses to top players ones to understand difference etc.. and practice practice practice. You need to kill hundreds of dummies to get a flow of rotation and how skills and LA's fire off in dependency to each other.

DocFrost72 · March 2019

karekiz wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Not true.

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Vajrak · March 2019

20k + =1 DoT + Spammable...

ZonasArch · April 2019

Vajrak wrote: »

20k + =1 DoT + Spammable...

Magplar, julianos seducer and slimecraw, gold weapons only, spamming darkflare and using empowered weaving from that, no DoT all, and you can get 20k on the 3mi dummy. Maybe a few heavy attacks here and there depending on your race. With shards and elemental blockade, I did 25k with a redguard magplar.... It's not hard for 20k. At all. Op troll, went away.

MLGProPlayer · April 2019

20k+ DPS is all about build. I used to average around 25k DPS before I learned to weave (and before DPS was increased across the board).

A few things to consider:

- Max out your primary resource only (so either 64 points into stamina or 64 point into magicka)
- Make sure your weapons have been upgraded to gold level
- Make sure you're using decent sets, they don't need to be from dungeons/trials, but stuff like Julianos, Spinners, Mother' Sorrow, Spriggans, etc.
- Pay attention to what enchantments you have (i.e. if youre magicka, then max magicka enchants on your gear, spell damage enchants on your jewellery, etc.)

And then beyond that, it's just firing off skills in a logical order. You can use Action Duration Reminder, if you're on PC, to track your skill timers.

Swen_von_Walhallion · April 2019

BuildMan wrote: »

Wanna know a secret?

Molag Kena Helm
Relequen chest
Molag Kena arm cops
Relequen belt
Relequen gloves
Relequen legs
Relequen boots

Blood moon Greatsword
Blue Bloodmoon jewelry

34k werewolf self buffed light attack parse.

Best decision I’ve ever made. Also only gold piece was the Greatsword.

well in this case you do something rly rly wrong bc with same eqvip i hit 40k solo parse on ma wereplar, and cca 62k with trial buffs. (with my orc stamplar can hit 36k without ideal eqvip)

Juhasow · April 2019

@dazee here is the secret of 20k DPS

Here is the parse to validate

Davadin · April 2019

DocFrost72 wrote: »

karekiz wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Not true.

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Not true.

Wuuffyy · April 2019

Davadin wrote: »

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

dazee wrote: »

To anyone who came here to troll my thread and sling thinly veiled insults, I introduce you to my middle finger.

To anyone who came here genuinely trying to help, becuase 20k dps is NOT easy (if it was I'd have achieved it ages ago),
I changed a few things in my build and now am hitting very close if not 20k, havent actually done a dummy parse since the last improvement but it seems a lot better. dropped the sorc execute too, figured out its awful outside pvp. took haunting curse instead.

BTW those people who think 20k is sooo easy and have forgotten what it was like before they had all gold gear bis enchants and finely tuned builds? Seriously F off.

This and not posting any build info is how we know you are trolling. Props to you it’s halarious. Btw I can hit 30k with hundings and rele alone at 300 cp with blue gear

rele is not easy to get for casual players. people actually have to spend time "farming it" and not sucking every time.

and u do need SOME knowledge to hit 30k, not just gear.

i'm not defending OP or anything, but holy ***, 4 pages of "OMG 20k is NOOBIES, GIT GUD, 30k ANYONE AND THEIR DOGS CAN DO" *** is too much.

Yes OP could be trolling, yes OP doesn't share his build right in the beginning, and YES i see people trying to help.

but come on, dont just assume things.

30k DPS is NOT EASY FOR CASUAL PLAYERS.

no wonder people don't come to the forums anymore, sheesh.

These people don't want to invest in the time and resources needed to get better at the game. In terms of the crown store purchases and for the feel good times of 1 v xing and teaching new people the content I want people like him to be here... but... there are many 1+ year players who don't want LA nerfed and have rele (seriously took me two runs of normal to get a 5pc on the body it all and I wasn't even in game chat or anything... I could easily see that more than half the group had less than 20k dps and it didn't matter). BTW... Summerset literally comes free with the new chapter (you get warden, JC, Psjic, necro, PVE meta sets from an hour to two hour grind total, and all roleplaying zones for pve questers).

vesselwiththepestle · April 2019

dazee wrote: »

Is there a UI add on which makes just the buffs appear in a more coherent arrangement? Becuase the way ESO does it by default is impossible to track. and I like the default UI aside from that.

I find Action Duration Reminder a less intrusive addon than bigger UI modifications and it's great to track your skills. I personally can't track any buffs, debuffs or dots with the default tracking icons and I would never be able to play ESO on console for that reason.

I can recommend just copying a mainsteam meta or slightly off-meta build from Alcast, Xynode, t3hasiangod etc., they have great videos explaining everything on youtube. Following those guidelines should make it easy (less than a week's practice) to reach more than 20k dps self-buffed. Although for reaching 20k DPS you don't need those builds - especially the gear! Alcast has two guides on his website for Magicka and Stamina DPS gear sets, you could just look those up and pick two of your choice.

mcagatayg · April 2019

Juhasow wrote: »

@dazee here is the secret of 20k DPS

Here is the parse to validate

absoulute legend mate, GOOD ONE !

p00tx · April 2019

So, unless you're trying to push DLC or end game content, 20k dps is just fine. You should be able to sail right through all base game vet content. With the right team and some mechanical awareness, you could even pull off some vet DLC dungeons, although it would be more difficult and require some pretty intense coordination. It's a trade-off. You can either learn to hit harder (which is a hard-mode mini-game all its own) and experience easier content, or you can be satisfied with normal-ish dps and deal with more and harder mechanics. It's player's choice.

Based on your responses in this thread, you don't seem very interested in actually bringing your dps up, but in bringing everyone else's down to your level. If you're not willing to truly examine your build and your skills, then be happy with what you're doing and play the content designed for players at your level.

Jhalin · April 2019

@OP

If you’re weaving as you say, then the issue itsother aspects of you build.

Are you using Thief or Shadow, Apprentice
and Warrior work ok but will reduce the effectiveness of crit modifies?

Are you using Max HP + Max stat + stat regen foods?

Are your enchants and gear all at least Purple quality?

Do you have enough methods of sustain to keep your rotation up? Even just using trash pots will help you a lot

Do you have a rotation? That’s the big one

Juli/Spinners for mag, replace Spinner with Burning Spellweave (from City of Ash) when you can, then run trials for the stronger sets

Hunding’s/NMG for stam, eventually aim for Briarheart (from Wrothgar) to replace NMG until you feel comfortable with running trials