The secret to 20k+ dps?

dazee

I've done everything the people in my guilds suggested, and have never broke 20k on a dummy. clearly dps is not easy even with 500+ CP. so whats the secret to actually doing high dps if doing everything I've been told to do isnt enough?

StytchFingal

Layered DoTs, a spammable, and light attack weaving. It is really is as simple as landing a light attack between every skill use.

dazee

StytchFingal wrote: »

Layered DoTs, a spammable, and light attack weaving. It is really is as simple as landing a light attack between every skill use.

I'm doing all that. so it can't be that simple.

Juhasow

More info needed. What class , mag or stam etc ? What are Your sets and rotation ? Maybe Your guild mates did not gaved You the best advices because not being able to break 20k DPS on dummy as CP 500+ character means lot of mistakes being made. On my 2nd account without any fancy gear I am able to pull 35k+ on dummy on 300CP+ characters.

redspecter23

What sets are you using? What class? Stam or Magicka based? What traits on your armor/weapons/jewelry? What quality (purple/gold)?

StytchFingal

And practice.

I'm 52. It took a while for me, but that really is what it came down to in the end to get me there. A bit more practice and I found myself doing 30k using 2h/bow without pots. The biggest hurdle was getting the light attacks to actually land. I had to work hard at slowing down my LA>skill so that the LAs registered.

dazee

You mean if you try doing a LA too fast it wont even register? thats super lame. I hope ZOS fixes it.

cpuScientist

dazee wrote: »

You mean if you try doing a LA too fast it wont even register? thats super lame. I hope ZOS fixes it.

What are your sets? What is your class? On what are you testing? Do you have a rotation, if yes what is it?

Answer some or all of these to give us a clearer picture.

StytchFingal

dazee wrote: »

You mean if you try doing a LA too fast it wont even register? thats super lame. I hope ZOS fixes it.

Latency can affect it, as the LA has to register server-side.

Something that also helped me, I think, was realizing that skills and light attacks fire upon button release not button press. Knowing that helped me work on the the rhythm of my LA>skill weaving.

Liofa

If you can record a video and post it here, you'll get a lot more help.

Sanguinor2

As cheesy as it may sound: you can look at build Videos/ or Alcast´s Website for build/cp/abilities and stuff, he usually also has a Rotation written down.
Giliam has short(ish) Videos about Basics where he talks about and Shows rotations for all classes, while the Videos are a bit older they should still be helpful.
Outside of that, we´d Need to know class, build, cp, Rotation etc. you use to be able to help you, also if you do them selfbuffed, use ele drain if you are mag weapon/spellpower pots etc.

Iskiab

Game is all about light attack weaving for dps. Most MMOs have ability queues so latency is less of an issue, in ESO you need to press each button at the exact right time for max dps.

By max dps I mean it you don’t master it your dps will be cut in half.

I’ve never seen an MMO with such a large gap between the top and low end players. It’s pretty crazy.

dazee

Iskiab wrote: »

Game is all about light attack weaving for dps. Most MMOs have ability queues so latency is less of an issue, in ESO you need to press each button at the exact right time for max dps.

By max dps I mean it you don’t master it your dps will be cut in half.

I’ve never seen an MMO with such a large gap between the top and low end players. It’s pretty crazy.

Yeah thats super messed up.

Juhasow

dazee wrote: »

You mean if you try doing a LA too fast it wont even register? thats super lame. I hope ZOS fixes it.

It wont register because of global cooldowns. Each type of attack underlies global cooldown like in most of MMOs. In ESO global cooldown for skills is ~0,9 sec for light attack ~0,7 sec for bash I think ~0,5 sec. Clicking next attack before global cooldown for it ends is pointless as it would be in any other game. There is nothing to fix here it's working as intended.

Iskiab

dazee wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Game is all about light attack weaving for dps. Most MMOs have ability queues so latency is less of an issue, in ESO you need to press each button at the exact right time for max dps.

By max dps I mean it you don’t master it your dps will be cut in half.

I’ve never seen an MMO with such a large gap between the top and low end players. It’s pretty crazy.

Yeah thats super messed up.

Seriously. I’ve been in groups where as the healer I was half the group’s dps (I was 10k ST out of 20k group dps). This was with dps all around CP 300.

Get someone with max CPs, blue crafted gear, and knows what they’re doing and they alone can hit 40k.

Game lends itself to elitism because of it. As a healer you’re a support class and doing things to raise group dps. What’s the point in a game where well beyond half of players who queue as dps can’t fill the role they queued up for, and the ones who can had to watch numerous tutorials and practice for days on a dummy.

Light attack weaving is just dumb. Weaving and lag are easily the worst things about the game.

JinMori

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lassitershawn

The way I think about weaving conceptually is LA > Skill | LA > Skill | LA > Skill. Thinking of each LA > Skill action as a distinct unit rather than thinking of weaving as "throwing in a LA BETWEEN skills" made it easier for me when I was first learning. Start out very slow, making sure you visually see that you are getting off your light attacks before skills instead of going fast and missing them. Once you have the technique down start going at regular speed. I'll often advise people learning to weave to just try with a single skill first (LA > Spam) over and over until they get the hang of it so they can concentrate on just weaving and not rotation at first.

I'm not sure if you're mag or stam or what class, but some basic functional gear setups are the following:
Siroria/MS or Siroria/SS (magicka in stationary fights)
BSW/MS (magicka in mobile fights with multiple targets) *this is the most generally useful setup and is easy to get
SS/MS (magicka in purely single-target fights)
AY/Rele (stamina)

As far as rotation is concerned, it is hard to offer help w/o information on what spec you are playing but basically you want to layer DoTs and use a spammable ability inbetween reapplying DoTs. Some classes like NB or sorc will have special abilities like merciless resolve/crystal fragments that have a higher priority than your spammable and some DoTs. A basic sorc rotation for example would start with a potion/ult then you would apply blockade/liquid lightning/curse and then use a spammable ability (elemental weapon or force pulse) until your DoTs are about to run out at which time you would swap bars and reapply them. You would use crystal fragments in place of a spammable on proc.

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dazee

Juhasow wrote: »

dazee wrote: »

You mean if you try doing a LA too fast it wont even register? thats super lame. I hope ZOS fixes it.

It wont register because of global cooldowns. Each type of attack underlies global cooldown like in most of MMOs. In ESO global cooldown for skills is ~0,9 sec for light attack ~0,7 sec for bash I think ~0,5 sec. Clicking next attack before global cooldown for it ends is pointless as it would be in any other game. There is nothing to fix here it's working as intended.

If theres a GCD (yet no GCD) there should at least be a timer somewhere even if its not on the skills. other mmos all have a pie timer thing which shows when the GCD ends.

SoLooney

If you're doing everything your guild is telling and you still cant break 20k, then you need to post a parse, show all your gear, food, mundus, cp, skills, and passives

Otherwise, you're not gonna get any constructive feedback

Cant solve a problem if we dont know what the issues are

redspecter23

Agree with the others. Please post more info about your build. Class, sets, skills, rotation, etc. We've done all we can with the info provided.

Juhasow

Ok at 1st I wasnt sure but now I am that this thread is a bait to start a discussion about how bad "animation cancelling" a.k.a light attack weaving is. Who dont belives me please just look at OP discussions history. He was complaining about use of light attacks between abilities and similar subjects multiple times with most obvious example here https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/416143/animation-cancelling-the-reason-i-dont-play-regularly-anymore/p1.
Also it's no coincidence OP is not giving any answers regarding his build and rotation and he's only responding kinda quickly on posts that are talking about light attack weaving with critique. He's not looking for help he's just looking for another opportunity to complain about LA weaving. Nice try @dazee nice try.

Runefang

In my experience people struggle to hit high DPS because they try to learn everything at once. First learn to weave, then learn a rotation, then learn to bring buffs into that rotation when needed. If you try to learn all of that at once you trip over yourself.

If you're on PC get an add-on called Combat Metrics. If not record your parse and watch it back.

Then practice this pressing LA > Racer, do it 5 times then stop. Check the combat metrics result / watch it back again, did you land 5 light attacks and 5x Racer. I'm assuming you're a Warden from the other thread, if not then pick any other spammable attack except Elemental Weapon since that one feels weird to weave with.

If you landed all 5 light attacks increase it to 10 light attacks, then 20. Once you can do that you're ready to start building a real rotation.

Start by doing LA > elemental blockade then 7x > LA > Racer. Repeat that so that after every 8th LA you're re-casting elemental blockade. Again if you're on PC you can use an add-on called action duration reminder to see when elemental blockade is going to run out, you should be recasting it right after it expires. If you're on console you'll just need to see visually when the effect disappears.

Once you get the hang of a single dot + spammable rotation start throwing in your other dots, Winter's Embrace and Fletcher if you're a warden. So it's LA > blockade > LA > winter's embrace > LA > fletcher then 5x LA > Racer. Repeat that over and over again.

Once that's done you start throwing in buffs, which are recast only when they've expired and they replace a Racer cast.

The last step to a good parse is all the stuff that's non-obvious that people do to boost their DPS on a dummy. They do this for consistency more so than to just cheese the dummy:
1. Drink a potion 20 seconds before you start the parse, that way you get a lot of magicka back early into your parse when your pot is available again. Make sure it's spell power pots too.
2. Cast all of your buffs prior to hitting the dummy.
3. Drop your ulti right at the start of the fight, never start a parse without your ulti available.
4. Use max magicka + magicka regen food (very common practice now days)

MrBrownstone

All you're gonna get is more random advice. You have to post information about your build, and more importantly, a video of your dummy parse. You must be doing something wrong to deal 20k after all the help. We need to know what you're doing wrong to be able to help.

Mudcrabber

If you're on PC, you can take a screenshot of your build with an addon like "My Build Continued" or "SuperStar - Summerset Update". And then a parse in "Combat Metrics". That should be enough to pick apart exactly what's wrong or missing.

dazee

redspecter23 wrote: »

Agree with the others. Please post more info about your build. Class, sets, skills, rotation, etc. We've done all we can with the info provided.

I have multiple characters with different builds which one you want to see?

Wuuffyy

Nerf everything and buff skilllessness!

dazee

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Nerf everything and buff skilllessness!

Lowering the difference between the top players and bottom players is often a good thing. part of good game balance. it cant be TOO high or TOO low. has to be a balance.

The top players should not be doing over 10 times the dps of the less skilled/knowledgable ones.

redspecter23

dazee wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

Agree with the others. Please post more info about your build. Class, sets, skills, rotation, etc. We've done all we can with the info provided.

I have multiple characters with different builds which one you want to see?

The first one on the list would be fine.

dogman

dazee wrote: »

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Nerf everything and buff skilllessness!

Lowering the difference between the top players and bottom players is often a good thing. part of good game balance. it cant be TOO high or TOO low. has to be a balance.

The top players should not be doing over 10 times the dps of the less skilled/knowledgable ones.

Yes, they should. Doing below 20k is something clearly wrong with what you do, because everybody and their dog can pull 30k. Frankly, I don't understand how you can do below 20k on 500 CP.

Give us more info, maybe we can help you then. Post your build and your class / spec.

Wuuffyy

dazee wrote: »

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Nerf everything and buff skilllessness!

Lowering the difference between the top players and bottom players is often a good thing. part of good game balance. it cant be TOO high or TOO low. has to be a balance.

The top players should not be doing over 10 times the dps of the less skilled/knowledgable ones.

Omg you get a medal, you get a medal. You know what everyone wins. Also I and many people don’t think that 100 cps that just started this game should do near the dps that 3 year old fully geared maxed out players should do unless they are way above average. Goes both ways.