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It is time to reverse changes on bolt escape and to fix z axis issues
Illuvatarr
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The game is different now. Sorcerers should be the undisputed masters of mobility in the game. It is class defining. Currently, that is not the case. To remedy this, should changes to bolt escape be rescinded?
In 2014, the developers of this game informed the community they were aware that there were issues with Bolt Escspe and the z axis in the game. A fix was promised. Five years later, nothing has been done. This needs to be fixed finally. It makes use of Bolt Escape a hindrance to mobility and works in the opposite direction of what would be the focus of the skill which is increased mobility.
Edited by Illuvatarr on April 8, 2019 4:34PM In 2014, the developers of this game informed the community they were aware that there were issues with Bolt Escspe and the z axis in the game. A fix was promised. Five years later, nothing has been done. This needs to be fixed finally. It makes use of Bolt Escape a hindrance to mobility and works in the opposite direction of what would be the focus of the skill which is increased mobility.
It is time to reverse changes on bolt escape and to fix z axis issues 30 votes
Yes, reverse all changes
26%
8 votes
Yes, reverse bolt escape sickness but keep increased cost if used in succession
10%
3 votes
Yes, but only z axis issues
10%
3 votes
Not sure, need to know more
3%
1 vote
No, it is fine as is
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15 votes
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Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, it is fine as isIlluvatarr wrote: »Sorcerers should be the undisputed masters of mobility in the game.
disagree about its change, because the reason for "bolt escape", is to be able to escape and run away. its a defense.
instead it has been used as offence, and to be facing away from the opponent after its use, should remain as it is or you'll be too much damage.
this isnt fair for PvP.
and also, i dont see how you think its fair to let sorcerers be the only one that has Master of mobility, and to even go as far as saying you think they should be the leading Masters of Mobility? i cant agree with that, thats not fair to the rest of us.
not a fair request.
Edited by Gilvoth on April 8, 2019 4:54PM2 -
Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Illuvatarr wrote: »The game is different now. Sorcerers should be the undisputed masters of mobility in the game. It is class defining. Currently, that is not the case. To remedy this, should changes to bolt escape be rescinded?
In 2014, the developers of this game informed the community they were aware that there were issues with Bolt Escspe and the z axis in the game. A fix was promised. Five years later, nothing has been done. This needs to be fixed finally. It makes use of Bolt Escape a hindrance to mobility and works in the opposite direction of what would be the focus of the skill which is increased mobility.
Are you including DK Chains in that fix or is just for BE?Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭First, which class is the master of mobility if Sorcs are not?
I cannot recall the last time I chose to escape on my sorc any anyone was able to catch me unless I was already almost dead or was already low on magicka.0 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, it is fine as isFirst, which class is the master of mobility if Sorcs are not?
I cannot recall the last time I chose to escape on my sorc any anyone was able to catch me unless I was already almost dead or was already low on magicka.
ill agree to it if that after you cast bolt escape your damage is lowerd by 70% for 7 seconds
do the same with cloak, damage lowered by 70% for 7 seconds
do that, and then is deal.0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭First, which class is the master of mobility if Sorcs are not?
I cannot recall the last time I chose to escape on my sorc any anyone was able to catch me unless I was already almost dead or was already low on magicka.
ill agree to it if that after you cast bolt escape your damage is lowerd by 70% for 7 seconds
do the same with cloak, damage lowered by 70% for 7 seconds
do that, and then is deal.
I am not in agreement with OP. I am stated I think OP is wrong about the current state of Sorcs. I have no mobility issue on my sorc.1 -
Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, it is fine as isEven since the debuff they still spam it to zoom across Cyrodiil, then when they are 500 meters ahead of everyone else they just cast a few dark conversions to get all that magicka back.
As much as I'd love to be able to streak more on my stam sorc, I don't want to see the magicka counterpart buffed in any form.1 -
Galarthor✭✭✭✭✭
✭Even since the debuff they still spam it to zoom across Cyrodiil, then when they are 500 meters ahead of everyone else they just cast a few dark conversions to get all that magicka back.
As much as I'd love to be able to streak more on my stam sorc, I don't want to see the magicka counterpart buffed in any form.
Cost and whether it should be purely defensive is one thing that can be argued about. It still not working on upwards- or downwards-sloping terrain 5 years after release is just unexcusable. They fixed that issue for gap closers years ago.0 -
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✭✭Bolt escape gets the job done in Cyrodiil so the cost increase for spamming it should remain although it'd be cool if it could be used omnidirectionally.(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Pets- Roleplay Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Kinras's jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Shocking Soul (Shock damage, Class Mastery Signature Script, and Empower), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Storm Pulsar, Streak, Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Storms, Shocking Burst (Shock Damage, remove 1 negative effect, and interrupt) and Thunderous Rage.
Solo: Use Kinras's chest, replace Mora with Ring of the Pale Order, and use a heavy Slimcraw piece for max critical.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNHVjemwxZHI2ZmQ2bTg1ZG0xOTZ3b2QwajBzNGxmaHh6OXRpN3p6YSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/eBgWizk5dmZRS/giphy.gifElectric-Heal- Stress free one bar pet build .
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants. No chest piece), 1 medium Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, medium, Max Mag Enchants), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant ring and necklace (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant), Oakensoul ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)
- Ability-Bar: Daedric Prey, Summon Volatile Familiar, Bound Armaments, Unstable Wall of Storms, Summon Twilight Matriarch, and Greater storm Atronach.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Iceheart (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Prismatic Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), Combat Physician restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and combat physician ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable with Prismatic Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Prismtaic Enchants). Knight Slayer (Swift with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Regenerative Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that primarily utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward/Breath of life, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifEye of the Queen- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/44/1c/fd441c8242af6ec35ada94496feb0901.gifEye of the King- My casual one bar heavy attack Arcanist build that primarily utilizes Herald of the Tome abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Pragmatic Fatecarver, Cephaliarch's Flail, Rune of Displacement, Inspired Scholarship/Evolving Runemend, and The Languid Eye.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExOTAzdjV1eTgwbDFmM3lrZmxuMXRqdDR3Y3h1ZDRpajR0M3VjZzQ3NSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/zXmbOaTpbY6mA/giphy.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Race Against Time, Rune of Uncanny Adoration, Evolving Runemend, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Steed for speed. Gotta go fast!
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp/Arcanist: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar/arcanist will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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StormeReigns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Not sure, need to know moreIlluvatarr wrote: »The game is different now. Sorcerers should be the undisputed masters of mobility in the game. It is class defining. Currently, that is not the case. To remedy this, should changes to bolt escape be rescinded?
In 2014, the developers of this game informed the community they were aware that there were issues with Bolt Escspe and the z axis in the game. A fix was promised. Five years later, nothing has been done. This needs to be fixed finally. It makes use of Bolt Escape a hindrance to mobility and works in the opposite direction of what would be the focus of the skill which is increased mobility.
Not really sure I am following you. You keep mentioning z-axis? are we talking about -Z or +Z?
If your complaint is based on soming like... Stairs for example: streaking down stairs and then falling (-Z), when it should be following the Y-into-Z (Visual path) of going down stairs, I can agree to that, it should be changed as well when going up stairs and not getting stuck 3 steps up (+Z).
Now "Going in the opposite" direction... I'll assume -Y and +Y Axis. I'm figuring you want the streak to go in the direction your character is facing, and not the direction of the cross-hairs? If so... In all honesty, that would be slightly problematic due to you can just up your sensitivity and Spin+streak while still able to see where you're going and get the same results without blindly streaking into danger.
As well, Sorc's mobility is still pretty top tier given your race, gear, weapon and CP choices.Edited by StormeReigns on April 9, 2019 3:09AM0 -
Emma_Overload✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, reverse all changesAnybody who thinks Bolt Escape is just fine needs to try using it to "escape" in the Imperial CIty. It's not like Cyrodiil where the landscape allows you to move for miles in a straight line.
The main problem is that you just don't move far enough, fast enough to escape gap-closer spam. There are other issues such as losing momentum in between bolts due snares, roots or bugs in Bolt Escape itself.
The exponential cost increase has always been ridiculously unfair, so that definitely needs to go. I'd be fine with a flat, one time, cost increase... maybe just 50% increase after the first cast, and that's it.#CAREBEARMASTERRACE0 -
Illuvatarr✭✭✭✭✭Yes, reverse bolt escape sickness but keep increased cost if used in successionIn three dimensional space, there is an x y and z axis (length, width and height)Streak does not adhere to the z axis. If you streak and the height changes you go forward and then fall when you should just streak down the terrain. It does adhere going up a hill but the distance you streak is noticeably less. I assume it is calculating based upon some mix of your scaling the terrain upwards as well as how much you are moving forward. The net effect is the streak distance vis a vis the terrain is less movement forward.
It should adhere to the terrain going vertically and horizontally. This can be foregone in some fashion based upon the angle of the drop off. For example, I shouldn’t streak down the wall of a vertical surface but should drop off but when running down a hill I should streak down the hill. (There could be some type of hard cut off based upon the angle of the zone geometry). I understand why they are having trouble coding it but they seemed to be able to do so with gap closers.0
