Also, how's about a Stam morph for whip, since you are already changing stuff. Would help reduce Dizzying Swing abuse.

Cortimi wrote: »

Ok, worst news I have ever read when I heard that my DK's Wings is being nerfed into uselessness.

As a stamDK, this is literally my number 1 survival tool against ranged spam, which if the devs had even spent one minute in a BG, would know the game is saturated with.

This would make us just as vulnerable as Templars, without any of the utility.

I really don't understand how having a survival tool for stamDK is such a bad idea. Did I kill too many devs running tryhard magblade builds in BGs?

Honestly, Wardens have ice shield, NBs can teleport out or stealth out. Now I'll just be a sitting duck.

How about making the reflect morph a stamina morph? That way it can't be spammed by magDK, which I assume where the problem lay.

Yours truly,
A salty stamDK

P.S.
Seriously, don't take my Wings, I'll love you forever and ever.

except this is a buff as the number of enemies increase...

ll_Rev wrote: »

Cortimi wrote: »

Ok, worst news I have ever read when I heard that my DK's Wings is being nerfed into uselessness.

As a stamDK, this is literally my number 1 survival tool against ranged spam, which if the devs had even spent one minute in a BG, would know the game is saturated with.

This would make us just as vulnerable as Templars, without any of the utility.

I really don't understand how having a survival tool for stamDK is such a bad idea. Did I kill too many devs running tryhard magblade builds in BGs?

Honestly, Wardens have ice shield, NBs can teleport out or stealth out. Now I'll just be a sitting duck.

How about making the reflect morph a stamina morph? That way it can't be spammed by magDK, which I assume where the problem lay.

Yours truly,
A salty stamDK

P.S.
Seriously, don't take my Wings, I'll love you forever and ever.

except this is a buff as the number of enemies increase...

Taking no damage for a couple seconds and being able to avoid instant death snipe glitching to taking "reduced" damage, all debuffs, all dots, and all procs is not a buff on any planet.

Reality check: taking "reduced" damage will not save you ESPECIALLY as the number is enemies increases. Now instead of being being able to bounce a few stuns back at the casters, and possibly escape a mob, I'll get stunned and gibbed in two seconds instead of one. Brilliant buff! /S

Cortimi wrote: »

Ok, worst news I have ever read when I heard that my DK's Wings is being nerfed into uselessness.

As a stamDK, this is literally my number 1 survival tool against ranged spam, which if the devs had even spent one minute in a BG, would know the game is saturated with.

This would make us just as vulnerable as Templars, without any of the utility.

I really don't understand how having a survival tool for stamDK is such a bad idea. Did I kill too many devs running tryhard magblade builds in BGs?

Honestly, Wardens have ice shield, NBs can teleport out or stealth out. Now I'll just be a sitting duck.

How about making the reflect morph a stamina morph? That way it can't be spammed by magDK, which I assume where the problem lay.

Yours truly,
A salty stamDK

P.S.
Seriously, don't take my Wings, I'll love you forever and ever.

Warden's wings were clipped. I hope they don't cut too deep with yours.

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

if someone is mindlessly spamming something like cliff racer at you.

not like Magden has much else to use TBH XD

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

Also in which world do wings negate most of the Damage from magdens, magplars and magsorcs????????
Magden: Birds nope, Blockade nope, shalks nope, force pulse nope, swarm nope, Permafrost nope, ice aoe nope, bear nope, frozen device nope, other shimmering Morph nope, there is literally not a single projectile ability in the warden toolkit that gets reflected.

Just to let you know, you can actually reflect frozen device: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/442140/turns-out-frozen-gate-can-be-reflected-video-proof#latest

However no-one uses it because it's just a wasted slot in pvp as it doesn't do enough or well enough to warrant it's use. You also can reflect crystallised slab. Tried it. It's fun to bounce frozen peas between Warden and DK but it's not used whatsoever in combat because shimmering is infinitely better. Completely outclassed.

and like comment below me says, swarm is reflectable, although not really used much.

Trancestor wrote: »

Light attacks are a huge portion of a mag classes damage, enchants that are usually paired with infused trait are as well and that also gets reflected unless using force pulse or blockade, most magdens and magsorcs use reach as a spammable, magdens swarm does actually get reflected, magsorcs frags is their hardest hitting skill and that gets reflected back in their face, and back to the light attack point, good luck killing a wing spamming dk with just spamming force pulse or jabs without the help of your other essential kit, unless someone else is helping you or the dk is bad, not gonna happen.

Missed swarm being reflectable mb, usually all magdens I meet are just spamming perma roots.

Towards sorcs, sorcs can still use force pulse, runecage, curse, wrath and whatever ultimate they have to try and land a good burst on a dk, also petsorcs but those are a sepparate issue. Reach sorcs are at a disadvantage but again sorc can built around it if they want to without loosing too much unlike magblade that does not have any non reflectable ranged abilities except force pulse and melee magblade still relies on reflectable abilities for burst and pressure.

And idk About you but when I fight a wing spamming dk on my magplar I tend to use abilities that actually work against them and not just mindlessly spam sweeps, you can ele drain, purifying, solar Barrage and eclipse them and start sweeping away and let your LA weaves get reflected back from eclipse (not to Mention each tick of sweeps reflecting volatile armor dmg return back at the dk while eclipse is running) so magplar can easily force dk on the defensive or at the very least be even in a 1v1.

As for magdens I think most of us would agree that their only cc being on Arctic blast is not optimal thus forcing them into reach as reflectable cc, but magden can still deal a good amount of Damage through dk wings and is not reduced to just spamming force pulse and Nothing else.

You hyperboling that no one can use anything except a nonreflectable spammable against wings does not make it true.

Edited for mentioning the wrong magden cc.

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

what are you talking about? Crystallised slab does not stun. the only non-ultimate-tied class CC is on Arctic Blast (almost completely useless apart from it bypassing reflect. it does no damage is blockable and dodgeable, is expensive and it's tiny heal is halved in PvP)

Outdated info apparently, since I do not Play magden myself.

joseayalac wrote: »

Trancestor wrote: »

Oh no your crutch is getting reworked, wings are the biggest carry in BGs right now so you will just have to l2p like every other class now (besides magsorcs).

Wings carry? ROFL!

Stam DK is one of the hardest classes to master in PVP.

Never played any other class, did you?

Maulkin wrote: »

Are they really nerfed into uselessness though or is this just drama before the testing? I wouldn't pass on 50% ranged damage reduction on any other class/build combo I have tbh. It's still an extremely potent skill. I've got a feeling it'll be used as much, if not more than before.

No, they're changing reactionary skill into another buff like Major Evasion (expect new major buff in 2 years - Major Steel).
So much fun.

The downside is, that you'll be getting all of those negative effects that those projectiles carry (Major Defile, dots etc., knockbacks(if not immune to them))
But it looks cool mathematically, amirite?

It's not important how good it is in 1vX cause the X would kill you no matter what wings do.

edit: Typo

bb wings, i hope they'l stick to the plan of removing the reflect on it. the simple "life savior" things is essentially false. you have your blood for this.

-reflecting means you cant get CC'd from range when escaping or charging in
-reflecting means doing little to massive dmg back to the oponent
-reflecting means you can CC the guys trying to cc you (along with the dmg)
-number of reflect + latency means you dont reflect but countless projectiles under particularly laggy circumstances


it almost allowed dks to run naked everywhere while everyone is carrying umbrella-spells.

more seriously it allowed dk to have more free slots in their skill bar than any other class.

same goes for the whip tweak. you'll have to use dmging spell from the ardent flame skill tree in order to stack buffs on your whip and then unleash 1buffed whip it instead of sloting all the roots you can and spam the same single spell over and over + leap in order to kill anything.


ps: remember that the global tweaking of the game isnt known yet so it's a bit early to cry this loud about it

kalunte wrote: »

-reflecting means you cant get CC'd from range when escaping or charging in

-- as long as you have resources for that. But that's why it's their main defensive skill.

kalunte wrote: »

-reflecting means doing little to massive dmg back to the oponent

-- as long as opponent is not paying attention.

kalunte wrote: »

-reflecting means you can CC the guys trying to cc you (along with the dmg)

-- same as above.

kalunte wrote: »

-number of reflect + latency means you dont reflect but countless projectiles under particularly laggy circumstances

--or it means that you got killed sooner than srvr recognizes that you're smashing the button to cast wings. Dont bring in lags into the skill discussion.

kalunte wrote: »

more seriously it allowed dk to have more free slots in their skill bar than any other class.

How? What's the logic behind this statement? It's like saying that nb's cloak is allowing nb to have more free slots in their skill bar. Nonsense.

ps: It's never too early to express an opinion. Even if it's related to rumours.

LordTareq wrote: »

The current iteration of Wings is just silly. Look at the sword & shield reflect by comparison, wings is essentially 4 times as effective. And the new 50% damage reduction without a cap is hardly useless.

In what part it says is a 50% damage reduction ON ALL ATTACKS? Is just 50% dmg reduction against projectiles. Force pulse, Soul Assaut and even elemental ring/Bombard will still do 100% dmg against DK. Melee skills? Just the same.

People read what they want to read