Mother's Sorrow vs Treasure Hunter Set

Purdomination33 · November 2016

Let me know if I am correct in my interpretation of the two regarding the 5 piece bonus.

Mother's Sorrow adds 1643 Spell Crit. Treasure Hunter adds Major Prophecy adding 2191 Spell Crit. The difference is that w/Mother's Sorrow you can use a skill like Magelight to add Major Prophecy on top of the 5 piece 1643 Cit. But with Treasure Hunter this is not possible. Treasure Hunter makes up for this with a 100 spell damage adder to 5 piece.

Am I correct?

DPShiro · November 2016

Mothers Sorrow is good, Treasure Hunter is bad.

As a Magicka class you nearly always slot Inner Light, since it gives Max Magicka along with Major Prophecy.

OrphanHelgen · November 2016

If you are a casual player who dont want inner light on your bar or using crit potions, then yes, its a good set to use. But dont queue for the hardest vet dungeons.

Banetek · November 2016

Treasure hunter is a great set, it stacks with other crit sets nicely and it frees up a slot on your skill bar you might need for something more important. I also like Treasure hunter and have ran Vet trials with it and Jualianos!! Got a 70% crit with mundus stone, saved on specialized potions and with an already large amount of mana, I enjoyed the extra 97 spell dmg it gives over mothers and extra slot from not having to slot inner light..

Don't let the neigh Sayers give you a hard time.

bebynnag · November 2016

Purdomination33 wrote: »

Let me know if I am correct in my interpretation of the two regarding the 5 piece bonus.

Mother's Sorrow adds 1643 Spell Crit. Treasure Hunter adds Major Prophecy adding 2191 Spell Crit. The difference is that w/Mother's Sorrow you can use a skill like Magelight to add Major Prophecy on top of the 5 piece 1643 Cit. But with Treasure Hunter this is not possible. Treasure Hunter makes up for this with a 100 spell damage adder to 5 piece.

Am I correct?

In response to your actual question

YES your interpretation is correct,
since the set gives you major prophecy, potions, magelight etc would not stack (some classes have access to major prophecy)

Mariusnpr · April 2019

TBH, Treasure Hunter is a great set and it is easy farmable... the 2nd run in Volenfel and I got Inferno Staff. On the other hand, I tried with a guildie member to farm Mother's Sorrow and we made some rotations with world bosses and delves in Deshaan for couple of hours... with almost no success (just one necklace dropped). I ran solo for 2 days in a row doing quests and delves and so on... including public dungeon in Deshaan and I didn't get a single piece from the set, doesn't matter what piece. I felt so unlucky... and then I started to look for alternatives.

Also keep in mind that I am a casual player and don't like to test rotations on dummy skeletons just to achieve a certain number for DPS, then in real life scenarios I need a shield or healing skill and I have to get rid of one of the skills used to obtain that high damage. It's not fair to do like this. I put in slot-bar those skills that I like and need. Inner Light is just a passive...and should be placed on both rotations to keep that buff active... not so attractive.

So, in conclusion... Treasure Hunter is a great set, it gets the job done, it leaves 1 or 2 (more logical) empty slots where you can put something else.

RogueShark · April 2019

@Mariusnpr
Necromancers aren't out yet man.

FrancisCrawford · April 2019

Mariusnpr wrote: »

TBH, Treasure Hunter is a great set and it is easy farmable... the 2nd run in Volenfel and I got Inferno Staff. On the other hand, I tried with a guildie member to farm Mother's Sorrow and we made some rotations with world bosses and delves in Deshaan for couple of hours... with almost no success (just one necklace dropped). I ran solo for 2 days in a row doing quests and delves and so on... including public dungeon in Deshaan and I didn't get a single piece from the set, doesn't matter what piece. I felt so unlucky... and then I started to look for alternatives.

Also keep in mind that I am a casual player and don't like to test rotations on dummy skeletons just to achieve a certain number for DPS, then in real life scenarios I need a shield or healing skill and I have to get rid of one of the skills used to obtain that high damage. It's not fair to do like this. I put in slot-bar those skills that I like and need. Inner Light is just a passive...and should be placed on both rotations to keep that buff active... not so attractive.

So, in conclusion... Treasure Hunter is a great set, it gets the job done, it leaves 1 or 2 (more logical) empty slots where you can put something else.

There's an easy quest that gives an infused Mother's Sorrow lightning staff. Not coincidentally, such staffs can be bought for reasonable prices in guild stores.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:The_Saving_of_Silent_Mire

T3hasiangod · April 2019

Yes, you are correct.

To go further, Treasure Hunter is a terribad set for magicka DPS for several reasons.

You can already get Major Prophecy (plus an additional 7 percent more magicka!) if you slot Inner Light.
If you don't want to slot Inner Light (why would you do this? I don't know), then you can get Major Prophecy from Spell Power potions. If you're playing at the level where your DPS is important, you'll be using these potions already.
In general, ability slots are less valuable than gear. In other words, the trade-off for replacing one ability with one set is going to be a net negative/DPS loss. This become incredibly obvious when you consider how much DPS you get from sets like Mother's Sorrow or Spell Strategist.
You have to farm for the set from Volenfell. On the other hand, sets like Mother's Sorrow and Spell Strategist are purchasable. Julianos is craftable. So there are stronger sets that are easier to obtain.

karekiz · April 2019

Treasure hunter body - Rattlecage weapon/jewelry - Slimecraw monster set

Thrift store build.

El_Borracho · April 2019

Mother's Sorrow is such a better set than Treasure Hunter, especially with the options you can pair it with. The main reason TH is a bad set is because you are giving up a 5th piece bonus that can be gained through a skill or potion and getting a whopping 97 spell damage in return.

Runefang · April 2019

Treasure hunter is a bad set. Slot Inner Light and be done.

darkblue5 · April 2019

Essentially the last bonus should just read "100 spell damage" which is worse than the 129 spell damage that a normal 2-4 bonus provides. That's part of why the set is just miserable. The other part is that Inner Light would be almost just as worth slotting in endgame PVE if it gave no Major Prophecy at all.

You get Major Prophecy from your potions if you're at the point where you're needing to compare sets for dps added. With trash pots Mother's Sorrow is a good 75% of Treasure Hunter without factoring in the uptime you'll get from the almost mandatory Inner Light on front bar. Even if you never slot Inner Light on your front bar Mother's Sorrow is an endgame BIS. Treasure Hunter is most certainly not. Do yourself a favor and get Mother's Sorrow.

Blinkin8r · April 2019

NB4Lock

SugaComa · April 2019

TH is great ... Most here that dis on it are people who chase every second and every minute ounce of DPS from their builds ...

It's a perfectly viable option for 90 % or the players that would use it ...

However that being said it's much harder to obtain than the one you mentioned and many others that are far superior, so it's not a question of if it's a viable set , it's more a question of why would you waste your time farming it

ESO_Nightingale · April 2019

T3hasiangod wrote: »

In general, ability slots are less valuable than gear. In other words, the trade-off for replacing one ability with one set is going to be a net negative/DPS loss.

try telling this to who made Frozen Watcher lol.

El_Borracho · April 2019

SugaComa wrote: »

TH is great ... Most here that dis on it are people who chase every second and every minute ounce of DPS from their builds ...

It's a perfectly viable option for 90 % or the players that would use it ...

However that being said it's much harder to obtain than the one you mentioned and many others that are far superior, so it's not a question of if it's a viable set , it's more a question of why would you waste your time farming it

Agree to disagree. This is essentially the same argument for/against a set like Toothrow. There, the 5th piece give Major Savagery, something you can get through your class' skills, i.e. Flames of Oblivion with DK. As the anti-Toothrow/TH argument goes, why waste a 5th piece armor slot on something you will likely get through a often-necessary skill? For me, I'd rather have a bonus that ups my weapon damage or critical, lowers my skill cost, or gives me something I can't get from a skill.

Aside from overland content, which you can do in any set, you probably can run most group content with TH. But that doesn't mean you should. I would never shame someone for wearing it, probably just shrug and move on. Maybe people like handicapping their builds.

I can run the same stuff with Hundlings + Spriggans. I can do more with Leviathan, Briarheart, and VO. I can do even more damage and run more stuff with Relequen + AY. So, that's what I predominantly run in group content. If that makes me someone who chases "every ounce" of DPS from my character, so be it. The way I see it, is if I can bring everything I can to the group, I should.

SugaComa · April 2019

El_Borracho wrote: »

SugaComa wrote: »

TH is great ... Most here that dis on it are people who chase every second and every minute ounce of DPS from their builds ...

It's a perfectly viable option for 90 % or the players that would use it ...

However that being said it's much harder to obtain than the one you mentioned and many others that are far superior, so it's not a question of if it's a viable set , it's more a question of why would you waste your time farming it

Agree to disagree. This is essentially the same argument for/against a set like Toothrow. There, the 5th piece give Major Savagery, something you can get through your class' skills, i.e. Flames of Oblivion with DK. As the anti-Toothrow/TH argument goes, why waste a 5th piece armor slot on something you will likely get through a often-necessary skill? For me, I'd rather have a bonus that ups my weapon damage or critical, lowers my skill cost, or gives me something I can't get from a skill.

Aside from overland content, which you can do in any set, you probably can run most group content with TH. But that doesn't mean you should. I would never shame someone for wearing it, probably just shrug and move on. Maybe people like handicapping their builds.

I can run the same stuff with Hundlings + Spriggans. I can do more with Leviathan, Briarheart, and VO. I can do even more damage and run more stuff with Relequen + AY. So, that's what I predominantly run in group content. If that makes me someone who chases "every ounce" of DPS from my character, so be it. The way I see it, is if I can bring everything I can to the group, I should.

I agree with what you're saying but it doesn't mean these sets are useless as many suggest ... They're just not optimum and not worth the time to farm ...

But if by per chance you have a full set and nothing else better it will still get you through most content if a you're after is a completion

karekiz · April 2019

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

I agree with what you're saying but it doesn't mean these sets are useless as many suggest ... They're just not optimum and not worth the time to farm ...

But if by per chance you have a full set and nothing else better it will still get you through most content if a you're after is a completion

The problem is especially with this set is:

This set purpose: Gives spell crit
Mother sorrow: Gives spell crit

Mothers gives more crit providing you just slot a passive <Easily done>
Mothers is easier to farm due to being overland opposed to a dungeon drop or outright buy in Divines.
Mothers while being easy to farm scales up to higher end content, so if you have to farm one or the other you might as well farm MS.

There are certain sets that yes are "lesser" forms of other sets that can work. Probably leviathan is a set if I were to just randomly think of one.

Runefang · April 2019

SugaComa wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

SugaComa wrote: »

TH is great ... Most here that dis on it are people who chase every second and every minute ounce of DPS from their builds ...

It's a perfectly viable option for 90 % or the players that would use it ...

However that being said it's much harder to obtain than the one you mentioned and many others that are far superior, so it's not a question of if it's a viable set , it's more a question of why would you waste your time farming it

Agree to disagree. This is essentially the same argument for/against a set like Toothrow. There, the 5th piece give Major Savagery, something you can get through your class' skills, i.e. Flames of Oblivion with DK. As the anti-Toothrow/TH argument goes, why waste a 5th piece armor slot on something you will likely get through a often-necessary skill? For me, I'd rather have a bonus that ups my weapon damage or critical, lowers my skill cost, or gives me something I can't get from a skill.

Aside from overland content, which you can do in any set, you probably can run most group content with TH. But that doesn't mean you should. I would never shame someone for wearing it, probably just shrug and move on. Maybe people like handicapping their builds.

I can run the same stuff with Hundlings + Spriggans. I can do more with Leviathan, Briarheart, and VO. I can do even more damage and run more stuff with Relequen + AY. So, that's what I predominantly run in group content. If that makes me someone who chases "every ounce" of DPS from my character, so be it. The way I see it, is if I can bring everything I can to the group, I should.

I agree with what you're saying but it doesn't mean these sets are useless as many suggest ... They're just not optimum and not worth the time to farm ...

But if by per chance you have a full set and nothing else better it will still get you through most content if a you're after is a completion

Yeah but what's the chance you don't have Inner Light, you're a magicka dps toon and you have a full set of treasure hunter?

Using Rattlecage I could get behind, if it was light armor, because major sorcery is harder to come by for some classes.

Kadoin · April 2019

Don't know about PvE, but I use treasure hunter/toothrow as one pvp set. Can't stand wasting bar space in PvP, and its not like magelight or evil hunter actually work against NBs that have a brain.

El_Borracho · April 2019

SugaComa wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

SugaComa wrote: »

TH is great ... Most here that dis on it are people who chase every second and every minute ounce of DPS from their builds ...

It's a perfectly viable option for 90 % or the players that would use it ...

However that being said it's much harder to obtain than the one you mentioned and many others that are far superior, so it's not a question of if it's a viable set , it's more a question of why would you waste your time farming it

Agree to disagree. This is essentially the same argument for/against a set like Toothrow. There, the 5th piece give Major Savagery, something you can get through your class' skills, i.e. Flames of Oblivion with DK. As the anti-Toothrow/TH argument goes, why waste a 5th piece armor slot on something you will likely get through a often-necessary skill? For me, I'd rather have a bonus that ups my weapon damage or critical, lowers my skill cost, or gives me something I can't get from a skill.

Aside from overland content, which you can do in any set, you probably can run most group content with TH. But that doesn't mean you should. I would never shame someone for wearing it, probably just shrug and move on. Maybe people like handicapping their builds.

I can run the same stuff with Hundlings + Spriggans. I can do more with Leviathan, Briarheart, and VO. I can do even more damage and run more stuff with Relequen + AY. So, that's what I predominantly run in group content. If that makes me someone who chases "every ounce" of DPS from my character, so be it. The way I see it, is if I can bring everything I can to the group, I should.

I agree with what you're saying but it doesn't mean these sets are useless as many suggest ... They're just not optimum and not worth the time to farm ...

But if by per chance you have a full set and nothing else better it will still get you through most content if a you're after is a completion

Completely agree. Very few sets are completely worthless. TH isn't the best, but its far from the worst

ACamaroGuy · January 2020

How will Treasure Hunter work with the light armor skill line Prodigy? Will you have too remove the 2 skill points to allow TH to work? I'm leaning towards TH because I am running a MagPlar and don't want to use up my slots. It's just a kick around overland/non vet trial toon. Is the 100 spell damage worth anything in a PvE setup damage wise? Or should I keep Underwhelming Surge with War Maiden and Grundwulf? Place those 2 skill points back in the Prodigy skill line?

Iskiab · January 2020

ACamaroGuy wrote: »

How will Treasure Hunter work with the light armor skill line Prodigy? Will you have too remove the 2 skill points to allow TH to work? I'm leaning towards TH because I am running a MagPlar and don't want to use up my slots. It's just a kick around overland/non vet trial toon. Is the 100 spell damage worth anything in a PvE setup damage wise? Or should I keep Underwhelming Surge with War Maiden and Grundwulf? Place those 2 skill points back in the Prodigy skill line?

There’s no conflict between the LA passives and treasure hunter. In a trial treasure hunter doesn’t have a use, I don’t think in overland either. It’s main use is pvp to get major prophesy so you don’t have to get it from a potion.

ACamaroGuy · January 2020

Iskiab wrote: »

ACamaroGuy wrote: »

How will Treasure Hunter work with the light armor skill line Prodigy? Will you have too remove the 2 skill points to allow TH to work? I'm leaning towards TH because I am running a MagPlar and don't want to use up my slots. It's just a kick around overland/non vet trial toon. Is the 100 spell damage worth anything in a PvE setup damage wise? Or should I keep Underwhelming Surge with War Maiden and Grundwulf? Place those 2 skill points back in the Prodigy skill line?

There’s no conflict between the LA passives and treasure hunter. In a trial treasure hunter doesn’t have a use, I don’t think in overland either. It’s main use is pvp to get major prophesy so you don’t have to get it from a potion.

Is Mother's Sorrow better even if I don't use those crit potions? I only use the health revive ones.

Tannus15 · January 2020

for vet dungeons, perfectly fine set if you don't want to run inner light. I only ever use trash pots in dungeons.

for vet trials, please don't. just use spell power pots. it's "strictly" worse than the alternatives.

ACamaroGuy · January 2020

Tannus15 wrote: »

for vet dungeons, perfectly fine set if you don't want to run inner light. I only ever use trash pots in dungeons.

for vet trials, please don't. just use spell power pots. it's "strictly" worse than the alternatives.

This toon is a kick around guy. I won't run vet trials with him. My main tune has already beating all the trials and dungeons collected the skyshards, etc. I'm just using this tune as a means to rediscover Nirn, so I won't get bored with the game. I just want to make him as best as I can for overland use. I know end game veteran trial gear will not be optimal for that. Right now I am using Underwhelming Surge, Grundwulf and War Maiden. Kinda an off balance build. Was wanting a bit more out of Puncturing Sweep. Figured TH was the way to go because it offered the 100 spell damage.

Iskiab · January 2020

ACamaroGuy wrote: »

Tannus15 wrote: »

for vet dungeons, perfectly fine set if you don't want to run inner light. I only ever use trash pots in dungeons.

for vet trials, please don't. just use spell power pots. it's "strictly" worse than the alternatives.

This toon is a kick around guy. I won't run vet trials with him. My main tune has already beating all the trials and dungeons collected the skyshards, etc. I'm just using this tune as a means to rediscover Nirn, so I won't get bored with the game. I just want to make him as best as I can for overland use. I know end game veteran trial gear will not be optimal for that. Right now I am using Underwhelming Surge, Grundwulf and War Maiden. Kinda an off balance build. Was wanting a bit more out of Puncturing Sweep. Figured TH was the way to go because it offered the 100 spell damage.

Hum, IDK. It depends on your budget. For overland even I’d run inner light and not worry about prophesy. If you don’t have major prophesy from inner light or pots, treasure hunter’s better than mother’s sorrow.

Unless you’re trying to solo vets, you could probably clear all public dungeons, normals and public bosses with sweeps, inner light, camouflage hunter, honour the dead and that dot that gives major sorcery on your front bar... at max CPs.

ACamaroGuy · January 2020

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/507546/what-am-i-not-understanding#latest

This is my link to what I have going on. I really need help understanding how spell damage works with spell critical and it's overall damage in PvE. I usually play solo and I'm just trying to make it easier on myself. This is my first Magicka based toon.

Pauls · January 2020

Just forget about sets which 5th bonus can be replaced with single ability

Iskiab · January 2020

ACamaroGuy wrote: »

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/507546/what-am-i-not-understanding#latest

This is my link to what I have going on. I really need help understanding how spell damage works with spell critical and it's overall damage in PvE. I usually play solo and I'm just trying to make it easier on myself. This is my first Magicka based toon.

This is a great tool I use all the time when making specs. The game can be confusing and without it, it’s really hard to figure out what sets to use:

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/UESPWiki:EsoBuildEditor

A bit of a pain to get used to, but just make an account and then plug in gear, drink, skill points, CPs... and it’ll let you compare sets by plugging them in once you’ve setup your build.

For solo you can basicly just plug stuff in until you get the highest tooltip possible. As a damage dealer, the big buffs you want for every build are major prophesy and sorcery.