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Mage Guild Quest: Madness in Shadownfen

CystemUnus
I've been playing for a good two weeks now. I'm a level 25 Dark Elf Templar specifying in magicka and bows. My spell resist is 13k and phys resist is 12k with staff. I have two epic items if that means anything.

Now in the quest it says to get the Eidar Scroll. Upon trying to open the chest three enemies appear. Two spellcasters and a Melee. I CANNOT last more than a minute even with spamming buffs and spells and switching between weapons. Joining a group would make it easier sure but having the trouble to do so is a pain. This is disheartening to say the least and I kinda don't want to play. What did I do wrong?
  • UntrustedExistenz
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    Jabs them! One of morphs heals on dmg so it'll be easy :) jabs ftw
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  • NoTimeToWait
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    There is a good tooltip on the loading screen: running away is always an option. If you find content beyond your current capabilities, gain better skills, upgrade your gear, return later.

    I mean, this is a consistent rule in any game with progression, really

    I can't see, why temporary obstacle demotivates you. Usually, when something challenges you, you think how to overcome the challenge, unless you are used to submit every time you face anything remotely hard
    Edited by NoTimeToWait on April 4, 2019 11:19AM
  • CystemUnus
    There is a good tooltip on the loading screen: running away is always an option. If you find content beyond your current capabilities, gain better skills, upgrade your gear, return later.

    I mean, this is a consistent rule in any game with progression, really

    I can't see, why temporary obstacle demotivates you. Usually, when something challenges you, you think how to overcome the challenge, unless you are used to submit every time you face anything remotely hard

    I like the condescending. It's hard to figure out what I need to do in order to progress other than your advice of "upgrade, get better gear".

    It was demotivating because I thought I was adequate enough to dispose of these enemies. It's hard to gauge how these enemies in particular overran me.
  • CystemUnus
    Jabs them! One of morphs heals on dmg so it'll be easy :) jabs ftw

    I wanted to sorta make a DPS build. So I've not spec'd in the healing. Looks like I will for survivability then.
  • Gundug
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    If tou are going to play mostly solo in this game, you must be built for resource sustain, self healing and sufficient damage output. Going hybrid magicka and stamina as you are will actually make things much more difficult for you, since the more things you try to be able to do, the less capable you will be at doing them.

    You would be better off choosing to focus as either a magicka based damage dealer, with stamina reserved for blocking, dodge rolling and breaking free, or a stamina based damage dealer, with magicka reserved for buffs. Your self healing skill should always be based off of your strongest attribute.

    If you go stamina, run Vigor from the alliance war skill line and slot Repentance. Vigor is your heal over time, and should be kept up throughout a fight. Repentance acts on corpses around you, and has both a heal and stamina return.

    If you go magicka, use Puncturing Sweep, which is a damaging skill with a built in self heal.
  • CystemUnus
    Gundug wrote: »
    If tou are going to play mostly solo in this game, you must be built for resource sustain, self healing and sufficient damage output. Going hybrid magicka and stamina as you are will actually make things much more difficult for you, since the more things you try to be able to do, the less capable you will be at doing them.

    You would be better off choosing to focus as either a magicka based damage dealer, with stamina reserved for blocking, dodge rolling and breaking free, or a stamina based damage dealer, with magicka reserved for buffs. Your self healing skill should always be based off of your strongest attribute.

    If you go stamina, run Vigor from the alliance war skill line and slot Repentance. Vigor is your heal over time, and should be kept up throughout a fight. Repentance acts on corpses around you, and has both a heal and stamina return.

    If you go magicka, use Puncturing Sweep, which is a damaging skill with a built in self heal.

    Thanks for your advice.

    I was hoping to use the bow as a means to attack when my magicka is very low.
  • CystemUnus
    Gundug wrote: »
    If tou are going to play mostly solo in this game, you must be built for resource sustain, self healing and sufficient damage output. Going hybrid magicka and stamina as you are will actually make things much more difficult for you, since the more things you try to be able to do, the less capable you will be at doing them.

    You would be better off choosing to focus as either a magicka based damage dealer, with stamina reserved for blocking, dodge rolling and breaking free, or a stamina based damage dealer, with magicka reserved for buffs. Your self healing skill should always be based off of your strongest attribute.

    If you go stamina, run Vigor from the alliance war skill line and slot Repentance. Vigor is your heal over time, and should be kept up throughout a fight. Repentance acts on corpses around you, and has both a heal and stamina return.

    If you go magicka, use Puncturing Sweep, which is a damaging skill with a built in self heal.

    Also I'm a Warden not a Templar.
  • JKorr
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    CystemUnus wrote: »
    I've been playing for a good two weeks now. I'm a level 25 Dark Elf Templar specifying in magicka and bows. My spell resist is 13k and phys resist is 12k with staff. I have two epic items if that means anything.

    Now in the quest it says to get the Eidar Scroll. Upon trying to open the chest three enemies appear. Two spellcasters and a Melee. I CANNOT last more than a minute even with spamming buffs and spells and switching between weapons. Joining a group would make it easier sure but having the trouble to do so is a pain. This is disheartening to say the least and I kinda don't want to play. What did I do wrong?

    The mages' daily quest "fetch a relic of the mad god" is always in a public dungeon. Usually the location of the item is in a boss area. Public dungeons were intended as a group thing, or a challenge for a solo player. Until you're leveled enough to clear a public dungeon solo, you'll probably have problems with the quest.

    Consider doing the faction/story/main quests to level. Then you'll level, have skill points, find better gear/have better gear crafted for you, and have more skills and abilities.
    Edited by JKorr on April 4, 2019 12:06PM
  • CystemUnus
    Gundug wrote: »
    If tou are going to play mostly solo in this game, you must be built for resource sustain, self healing and sufficient damage output. Going hybrid magicka and stamina as you are will actually make things much more difficult for you, since the more things you try to be able to do, the less capable you will be at doing them.

    You would be better off choosing to focus as either a magicka based damage dealer, with stamina reserved for blocking, dodge rolling and breaking free, or a stamina based damage dealer, with magicka reserved for buffs. Your self healing skill should always be based off of your strongest attribute.

    If you go stamina, run Vigor from the alliance war skill line and slot Repentance. Vigor is your heal over time, and should be kept up throughout a fight. Repentance acts on corpses around you, and has both a heal and stamina return.

    If you go magicka, use Puncturing Sweep, which is a damaging skill with a built in self heal.

    Also I'm a Warden not a Templar.
    JKorr wrote: »
    CystemUnus wrote: »
    I've been playing for a good two weeks now. I'm a level 25 Dark Elf Templar specifying in magicka and bows. My spell resist is 13k and phys resist is 12k with staff. I have two epic items if that means anything.

    Now in the quest it says to get the Eidar Scroll. Upon trying to open the chest three enemies appear. Two spellcasters and a Melee. I CANNOT last more than a minute even with spamming buffs and spells and switching between weapons. Joining a group would make it easier sure but having the trouble to do so is a pain. This is disheartening to say the least and I kinda don't want to play. What did I do wrong?

    The mages' daily quest "fetch a relic of the mad god" is always in a public dungeon. Usually the location of the item is in a boss area. Public dungeons were intended as a group thing, or a challenge for a solo player. Until you're leveled enough to clear a public dungeon solo, you'll probably have problems with the quest.

    Consider doing the faction/story/main quests to level. Then you'll level, have skill points, find better gear/have better gear crafted for you, and have more skills and abilities.

    Ah right makes sense, thanks.
  • Enokariel
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    JKorr wrote: »
    The mages' daily quest "fetch a relic of the mad god" is always in a public dungeon. Usually the location of the item is in a boss area. Public dungeons were intended as a group thing, or a challenge for a solo player. Until you're leveled enough to clear a public dungeon solo, you'll probably have problems with the quest.

    Consider doing the faction/story/main quests to level. Then you'll level, have skill points, find better gear/have better gear crafted for you, and have more skills and abilities.

    Not only in the boss area but in the "Group Event Area" so it's hard to solo it, when you are not on the top. But usually it requieres only a small wait until more people arrive.

    But the best advice really is - level up at about CP160 (when you go main questline, guild questlines and complete basic areas of your faction you can get there until you get to the final confrontation in Coldharbour. At CP160 get your gear to the level and you will see, that with a decent build it is possible to do most of the public dungeon bosses alone.

  • Mayrael
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    If you play PC EU I can craft you (for free ofc) some starting gear so you will feel a bit stronger ;) Whisp/mail me in game or here @Mayrael cheers!
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  • Tyrobag
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    Problem #1: "Magicka and bows."

    Yeah, that really doesn't work..

    Not being elitist btw, my first character was a heavy armored magicka bow user. But someone has to tell you its not a good idea.
    Bows are a stamina weapon through and through, all of their abilities are stamina based, and they have notably lower weapon damage than other weapons. People used to use DW for magicka sometimes for higher weapon/spell power, but bow doesn't share that same advantage. In addition there's the fact that bow light & heavy attacks do physical damage, and the heavies restore stamina. With the light attack weaving meta its just not viable to use any stamina weapons for a magicka character.

    Assuming you're using at least some of your bow abilities, you are probably also splitting your stats between magicka and stamina. Since a notable part of your abilities' damage is based on the raw stat corresponding to it, you are seriously gimping yourself there.

    We all wish hybrids were viable, unfortunately with the current state of the game they are not.
  • Fleshreaper
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    CystemUnus wrote: »
    There is a good tooltip on the loading screen: running away is always an option. If you find content beyond your current capabilities, gain better skills, upgrade your gear, return later.

    I mean, this is a consistent rule in any game with progression, really

    I can't see, why temporary obstacle demotivates you. Usually, when something challenges you, you think how to overcome the challenge, unless you are used to submit every time you face anything remotely hard

    I like the condescending. It's hard to figure out what I need to do in order to progress other than your advice of "upgrade, get better gear".

    It was demotivating because I thought I was adequate enough to dispose of these enemies. It's hard to gauge how these enemies in particular overran me.

    First of all throw everything they said in the trash because that's where it belongs. You got trolled, don't feed the trolls. You and your gear are upgraded to level 50, so it's fine for all quest content. You need to understand the mechanics of the fight. You may need to change some skills out for the fight. Grab some tri-potions (health, magicka, and stamina). Don't stand still, keep moving. Kite the melee and focus on one caster, then the other. You should have a least one self buff (use it right before or as soon as the fight starts), then some kind of area of effect / damage over time spell (throw that out on the one ranged you are going to focus on), and then hit the caster with everything you have left (don't forget to use an ultimate (a damage type) if you need to).
  • Kuramas9tails
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    If you are on PS4/NA, I would be willing to help you out a little it of you want. I can get on my tank and have them focus me as you deal the damage. As others stated, you are in a group area. It will be a little tricky for a new player to solo some things even in the best gear. Some things I can't even solo on a level 25 character, and I have CP behind me, simply because my skills/resources just are not on par as my max level who can solo it. And that's ok.

    Don't be discouraged. People will be willing to help and sometimes you need it. You still have a lot ahead of you in the game.
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    • CystemUnus
      CystemUnus wrote: »
      There is a good tooltip on the loading screen: running away is always an option. If you find content beyond your current capabilities, gain better skills, upgrade your gear, return later.

      I mean, this is a consistent rule in any game with progression, really

      I can't see, why temporary obstacle demotivates you. Usually, when something challenges you, you think how to overcome the challenge, unless you are used to submit every time you face anything remotely hard

      I like the condescending. It's hard to figure out what I need to do in order to progress other than your advice of "upgrade, get better gear".

      It was demotivating because I thought I was adequate enough to dispose of these enemies. It's hard to gauge how these enemies in particular overran me.

      First of all throw everything they said in the trash because that's where it belongs. You got trolled, don't feed the trolls. You and your gear are upgraded to level 50, so it's fine for all quest content. You need to understand the mechanics of the fight. You may need to change some skills out for the fight. Grab some tri-potions (health, magicka, and stamina). Don't stand still, keep moving. Kite the melee and focus on one caster, then the other. You should have a least one self buff (use it right before or as soon as the fight starts), then some kind of area of effect / damage over time spell (throw that out on the one ranged you are going to focus on), and then hit the caster with everything you have left (don't forget to use an ultimate (a damage type) if you need to).

      Hi there.

      I was flying through quests with ease that's why this particular quest with those particular enemies I mentioned, steamrolled me very quickly numerous times. Kiting the melee and trying to kill the spellcasters was my main priority. I was using the buff from light armour that absorbs damage for 6 seconds, crystallised shield (i think it's called), and betty notch. On top of using the crown tri-potions it was a total mess.

      As people have mentioned it was a public dungeon. And I had finally managed to get the Eider Scroll from the help of a passing high champion-appointed stranger.

      I'm now currently avoiding bows and aiming toward healing and damage, with two staffs equipped.

      Thanks for your input!
    • Tyreal1974
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      CystemUnus wrote: »
      Jabs them! One of morphs heals on dmg so it'll be easy :) jabs ftw

      I wanted to sorta make a DPS build. So I've not spec'd in the healing. Looks like I will for survivability then.

      Puncturing Sweeps (Puncturing Strikes Morph) is a good go to DPS skill for MagPlar's for good damage with a built in self heal. While I suppose you could make a staff/bow build work, I do not think it would perform as well as other options as bow skills use stamina and I believe I saw you were making a Magika focused character. Not sure what skills you have unlocked, but I run a Magplar (destro staff both bar) and I have found just about all overland content melts if you use Solar Barrage (Solar Flare Morph), Wall of Elements, Spear Shards, with Puncturing Sweeps. If you find yourself still a bit squishy, add in Rune Focus and Cleansing Ritual for some added resistance and heals over time and don't forget the Utimates ( I always forget the Ultimates when in a pinch :) )

      I am not sure what gear you have but you should also consider making sure all your weapons and armor are near your level to keep the protection/spell damage high. Don't kill yourself going for perfectly spec'd gear if this is your first character, but having your weapons as close to your character level as possible makes a huge difference in damage output. Also, keep an eye out in zone chat for guilds. They are a great way to get easy help if you are struggling with content or need advise. If you want, hit me up in game if you are on PCNA and I can help you out if you have not already beaten this content.
    • NoTimeToWait
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      CystemUnus wrote: »
      There is a good tooltip on the loading screen: running away is always an option. If you find content beyond your current capabilities, gain better skills, upgrade your gear, return later.

      I mean, this is a consistent rule in any game with progression, really

      I can't see, why temporary obstacle demotivates you. Usually, when something challenges you, you think how to overcome the challenge, unless you are used to submit every time you face anything remotely hard

      I like the condescending. It's hard to figure out what I need to do in order to progress other than your advice of "upgrade, get better gear".

      It was demotivating because I thought I was adequate enough to dispose of these enemies. It's hard to gauge how these enemies in particular overran me.

      I would suggest to buff yourself up with blue foods with appropriate stats, use potions.
      Read skill descritiptions, skills often synergize and using them in certain order would be more effective than spamming. Upgrade your armor. Upgrade your skills. Upgrade your usage of skills by training on easier mobs.

      Sorry for sounding condescending, I admit it was somewhat condescending, plus also the fact that English is not my first language doesn't help here. But I feel, that TESO is among easiest MMOs around (and games, in general), so there is really not that many challenges in this game and I welcome those few that present.

      Anyway, I think it is only a question of mindset. When reality doesn't meet your expectations, you reevaluate yourself and make adjustments. You said, that you found hard to gauge these particular enemies, I can understand that. Depending on your intentions, you can just bruteforce them by applying general advice above.

      Otherwise you read PVE manuals (maybe you are playing without food buffs, which are quite important for new players, or maybe you don't use potions).

      Since it seems that you are playing Warden class, I would suggest slotting Winter's Embrace ulti. It provides 30% damage mitigation, which is quite a decent chunk of damage. It also slows enemies down by 70%, which enables kiting, you can distance yourself from the boss and heal. Not to mention the damage it deals. I use it in my solo play quite often and it helps a lot (and it lasts quite a while, usually, enough time to kill all adds and a non-Dungeon boss)

      I mean, the main agenda here is to gain some knowledge to be able to update your evaluation.
      Edited by NoTimeToWait on April 4, 2019 2:36PM
    • Wildberryjack
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      Wait, are you a Templar or Warden? In your initial post you said Templar but later said Warden. If you're on PC NA or EU I can help you if you get in a bind, if you see me on holler. My username is the same in-game as on the board here.
      Edited by Wildberryjack on April 4, 2019 2:45PM
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