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Ashen Grip set
AlphaCrucis
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Does anyone know how to proc this?
Edited by AlphaCrucis on April 2, 2019 7:42PM Australian, Aldmeri Dominion
Altmer, Dragonknight (mag), Damage Dealer
Brenton, Templar, Healer
Bosmer, Nightblade (stam), Damage Dealer, PvP
PS4, NA Server
Guild Member Of: Brotherhood of Bogans
Altmer, Dragonknight (mag), Damage Dealer
Brenton, Templar, Healer
Bosmer, Nightblade (stam), Damage Dealer, PvP
PS4, NA Server
Guild Member Of: Brotherhood of Bogans
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Mudcrabber✭✭✭✭The description says "direct melee damage".
I think some sets have exceptions, and I don't know if Ashen Grip is one of them, but these are the general rules:
Direct excludes damage-over-time abilities. Though if an ability's description has initial damage that's separate from its damage over time, that initial damage counts as direct. Anything affected by master-at-arms according to this spreadsheet is direct.
Enchants procced by direct damage abilities count as additional direct damage, though I don't know whether enchant procs also count as melee.
Melee excludes targeted ranged and ground abilities, even if the target is nearby. Templar jabs are also excluded (at least for the Twin Blade and Blunt axe bleed passive) because they reach too far. I've seen the cutoff suggested as 7 meters (jabs reach 8), though I've also seen claims that Steel Tornado is melee regardless (9 meters), but I haven't tested that.
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AlphaCrucis✭✭✭Mudcrabber wrote: »The description says "direct melee damage".
I think some sets have exceptions, and I don't know if Ashen Grip is one of them, but these are the general rules:
Direct excludes damage-over-time abilities. Though if an ability's description has initial damage that's separate from its damage over time, that initial damage counts as direct. Anything affected by master-at-arms according to this spreadsheet is direct.
Enchants procced by direct damage abilities count as additional direct damage, though I don't know whether enchant procs also count as melee.
Melee excludes targeted ranged and ground abilities, even if the target is nearby. Templar jabs are also excluded (at least for the Twin Blade and Blunt axe bleed passive) because they reach too far. I've seen the cutoff suggested as 7 meters (jabs reach 8), though I've also seen claims that Steel Tornado is melee regardless (9 meters), but I haven't tested that.
The description say:
“When you deal direct melee damage, you have a 10% chance to breath fire to all enemies in front of you for 1544 Flame Damage. This effect can occur once every 4 seconds”
I’m thinking it’s going to go off when I use a light or heavy attack (I’m using a great sword) and only a low level toon so using light and heavy attacks a lot and so far I have only seen this go off once
Australian, Aldmeri Dominion
Altmer, Dragonknight (mag), Damage Dealer
Brenton, Templar, Healer
Bosmer, Nightblade (stam), Damage Dealer, PvP
PS4, NA Server
Guild Member Of: Brotherhood of Bogans0 -
El_Borracho✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Melee = weapon strikes. Most 2H and DW skills count as melee damage. That 10% proc is low, especially if you are relying on LA or HA only, which is why you haven't seen a lot of that underwhelming flame damage.
And not to be "that guy," but why are you running this set? I understand you are a low level character, but as far as entry-level crafted sets, Night's Silence as a 4 piece is even better than this. I might even run Armor of the Trainee over this.0 -
Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭El_Borracho wrote: »Melee = weapon strikes. Most 2H and DW skills count as melee damage. That 10% proc is low, especially if you are relying on LA or HA only, which is why you haven't seen a lot of that underwhelming flame damage.
And not to be "that guy," but why are you running this set? I understand you are a low level character, but as far as entry-level crafted sets, Night's Silence as a 4 piece is even better than this. I might even run Armor of the Trainee over this.
That’s terribly incorrect.
Melee is any single target attack with range <=10m. Flame Whip, Burning Embers, Concealed Weapon are all class magic attacks that are melee attacks in game mechanic. If the skill is a DoT, only the first attack that procs it counts as direct melee damage.
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AlphaCrucis✭✭✭El_Borracho wrote: »And not to be "that guy," but why are you running this set? I understand you are a low level character, but as far as entry-level crafted sets, Night's Silence as a 4 piece is even better than this. I might even run Armor of the Trainee over this.
My toon is on level 4 and I crafted level 4 gear, because why not. I know it’s not the best but just wanted to try it out for something different
Australian, Aldmeri Dominion
Altmer, Dragonknight (mag), Damage Dealer
Brenton, Templar, Healer
Bosmer, Nightblade (stam), Damage Dealer, PvP
PS4, NA Server
Guild Member Of: Brotherhood of Bogans0 -
SirAndy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭At level 4 Trainee is by far the best set. Unless of course you don't want to level up ...
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driosketch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭AlphaCrucis wrote: »Mudcrabber wrote: »The description says "direct melee damage".
I think some sets have exceptions, and I don't know if Ashen Grip is one of them, but these are the general rules:
Direct excludes damage-over-time abilities. Though if an ability's description has initial damage that's separate from its damage over time, that initial damage counts as direct. Anything affected by master-at-arms according to this spreadsheet is direct.
Enchants procced by direct damage abilities count as additional direct damage, though I don't know whether enchant procs also count as melee.
Melee excludes targeted ranged and ground abilities, even if the target is nearby. Templar jabs are also excluded (at least for the Twin Blade and Blunt axe bleed passive) because they reach too far. I've seen the cutoff suggested as 7 meters (jabs reach 8), though I've also seen claims that Steel Tornado is melee regardless (9 meters), but I haven't tested that.
The description say:
“When you deal direct melee damage, you have a 10% chance to breath fire to all enemies in front of you for 1544 Flame Damage. This effect can occur once every 4 seconds”
I’m thinking it’s going to go off when I use a light or heavy attack (I’m using a great sword) and only a low level toon so using light and heavy attacks a lot and so far I have only seen this go off once
Pretty much. More or less every 10 or so swings will be a fire breath instead. It's both underwhelming and annoying.
I know the set sounds like it would be fun on a low level character. Just know, there's a reason the set is commonly considered the worst crafted set.Main: Drio Azul ~ DC, Redguard, Healer/Magicka Templar ~ NA-PC
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AlphaCrucis✭✭✭At level 4 Trainee is by far the best set. Unless of course you don't want to level up ...
Time to start farming then I guess
Australian, Aldmeri Dominion
Altmer, Dragonknight (mag), Damage Dealer
Brenton, Templar, Healer
Bosmer, Nightblade (stam), Damage Dealer, PvP
PS4, NA Server
Guild Member Of: Brotherhood of Bogans0 -
SirAndy✭✭✭✭✭
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Go to Khenarthis Roost and farm treasure chests (bring plenty of lockpicks).AlphaCrucis wrote: »
Get some treasure maps for KR if you have the gold to spare.
You'll be swimming in Trainee pieces in no time ...
PS: I can post a map with most (if not all) of the treasure chest locations tonight (at work right now)
Edited by SirAndy on April 3, 2019 4:53PM1 -
El_Borracho✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭El_Borracho wrote: »Melee = weapon strikes. Most 2H and DW skills count as melee damage. That 10% proc is low, especially if you are relying on LA or HA only, which is why you haven't seen a lot of that underwhelming flame damage.
And not to be "that guy," but why are you running this set? I understand you are a low level character, but as far as entry-level crafted sets, Night's Silence as a 4 piece is even better than this. I might even run Armor of the Trainee over this.
That’s terribly incorrect.
Melee is any single target attack with range <=10m. Flame Whip, Burning Embers, Concealed Weapon are all class magic attacks that are melee attacks in game mechanic. If the skill is a DoT, only the first attack that procs it counts as direct melee damage.
Was referring more to twin slashes, whirlwind, flurry, etc. in the Dual Wield 2H skill lines, as I said. Most of those fall under physical damage, which is melee in terms of proc sets. Concealed weapon is a nightblade skill, Flame lash and Burning embers are a DK skills. They do not fall into the physical/melee category. We are talking about 2 different things.0 -
El_Borracho✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭AlphaCrucis wrote: »El_Borracho wrote: »And not to be "that guy," but why are you running this set? I understand you are a low level character, but as far as entry-level crafted sets, Night's Silence as a 4 piece is even better than this. I might even run Armor of the Trainee over this.
My toon is on level 4 and I crafted level 4 gear, because why not. I know it’s not the best but just wanted to try it out for something different
NP, just curious.0 -
Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Man, I remember running ashen on werewolf back in the day. There was just something sweet about a fire-breathing werewolf. Well, that and there wasn't much else to run back then.2 -
Integral1900✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I still use it for giggles, I keep it as a spare set, just chuck it on my tank along with a two handed weapon if I’m of doing story content
I find weapon skills seem to work best, two handed ones like brawler
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Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭El_Borracho wrote: »El_Borracho wrote: »Melee = weapon strikes. Most 2H and DW skills count as melee damage. That 10% proc is low, especially if you are relying on LA or HA only, which is why you haven't seen a lot of that underwhelming flame damage.
And not to be "that guy," but why are you running this set? I understand you are a low level character, but as far as entry-level crafted sets, Night's Silence as a 4 piece is even better than this. I might even run Armor of the Trainee over this.
That’s terribly incorrect.
Melee is any single target attack with range <=10m. Flame Whip, Burning Embers, Concealed Weapon are all class magic attacks that are melee attacks in game mechanic. If the skill is a DoT, only the first attack that procs it counts as direct melee damage.
Was referring more to twin slashes, whirlwind, flurry, etc. in the Dual Wield 2H skill lines, as I said. Most of those fall under physical damage, which is melee in terms of proc sets. Concealed weapon is a nightblade skill, Flame lash and Burning embers are a DK skills. They do not fall into the physical/melee category. We are talking about 2 different things.
You said melee attacks = weapons strikes. That's just wrong.
I don't know why you're suddenly trying to frame this discussion on a physical damage context. The OP asked about the Ashen Grip set's proc condition which is melee attacks. Full stop. That's regardless of type of damage dealt.
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Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There's some skills that surprised me were based as melee, like ambush and noxious breath2 -
El_Borracho✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭El_Borracho wrote: »El_Borracho wrote: »That 10% proc is low, especially if you are relying on LA or HA only, which is why you haven't seen a lot of that underwhelming flame damage.
And not to be "that guy," but why are you running this set? I understand you are a low level character, but as far as entry-level crafted sets, Night's Silence as a 4 piece is even better than this. I might even run Armor of the Trainee over this.
That’s terribly incorrect.
Melee is any single target attack with range <=10m. Flame Whip, Burning Embers, Concealed Weapon are all class magic attacks that are melee attacks in game mechanic. If the skill is a DoT, only the first attack that procs it counts as direct melee damage.
Was referring more to twin slashes, whirlwind, flurry, etc. in the Dual Wield 2H skill lines, as I said. Most of those fall under physical damage, which is melee in terms of proc sets. Concealed weapon is a nightblade skill, Flame lash and Burning embers are a DK skills. They do not fall into the physical/melee category. We are talking about 2 different things.
You said melee attacks = weapons strikes. That's just wrong.
I don't know why you're suddenly trying to frame this discussion on a physical damage context. The OP asked about the Ashen Grip set's proc condition which is melee attacks. Full stop. That's regardless of type of damage dealt.
I said its both, as in "Melee = weapon strikes. Most 2H and DW skills count as melee damage." I mean, its right there.
Is this for real? Nobody but you brought up irrelevant class skills. Either I'm being trolled or you like to argue with yourselfEdited by El_Borracho on April 3, 2019 9:01PM0 -
The Nightblade skill Concealed Weapon does not count as a melee skill even though it has melee range restrictions. It will not proc any melee on hit armor sets, racial passives or CP passives. I think it’s a bug because it’s magic dmg and not Weapon dmg. Please fix ZOS.1
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SirAndy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭PS: I can post a map with most (if not all) of the treasure chest locations tonight (at work right now)
As promised, red coin icons are possible treasure chest spawn locations, yellow coin icons are possible thieves troves spawn locations (you'll need the DLC for those), yellow map icons are treasure map locations and the blue icons are skyshard locations.
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