Effectively you're saying that because a company who is related to the company you WERE going to spend money on has introduced a game with which you can't agree with the monetization process you are going to go and spend your money on a different game that has an even worse monetization process.

Man, that is some screwed up logic. Here's an idea, if you don't want ZOS to get your money then save it, but it into your bank account and don't give it to any of the evil capitalist toxic scum companies who make such wonderful entertainment for you and the rest of us!

It's like saying I'm not going to upgrade my really nice car because my car manufacturer's sister company has made a car which you have to pay to drive, so instead, I'm going to buy another car which you have to pay even more to drive.

At the end of the day, as the poster above says, do or do not, we don't care.

Artim_X wrote: »

ZOS has nothing to do with Blades so the paywall aspect of that game shouldn't affect how you feel about ESO. The crown store generates a lot of money for ZOS so they can afford to have the game itself on sale quite often. I don't particularly like crown crates, but I'm glad that I can buy whatever I want straight off with gems. It pays to save.

I've played BDO... Very cool character creator, but the grindy nature of that game is such a huge turnoff for me. To each their own I suppose.

However we can't buy everything with gems and more and they've started doing various expensive gem only items.

Gems were meant to be something good for the crates, now ZOS has turned them into yet another currency and one you can't even buy direct but have to gamble for.

Blades inst avaible yet in europe tho. And regarding the cashgrab, good luck finding an online game that doesnt use those tactics.

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

What does some random mobile game have to do with ESO?

And if you think BDO isn't monetized... lol. BDO is the most aggressively monetized MMO on the market right now. It has actual P2W elements (which ESO does not). BDO also has no PvE content (it's a PvP only game).

I am curious. Do you even understand what I am trying to say? I know I don't explain myself very well. I have said this has nothing to do with Blades. Blades just made me realize something that I just basically accepted. This has something to do with the ESO Crown Store.

Also id doesn't matter if BDO is monetized. I even said it was worse than what ESO does. So I am sure you haven't read what I said. All that should matter is my money is not going to Zenimax and Bethesda Softworks and it's going to a competitor.

pod88kk wrote: »

Do or do not, nobody cares

Well, since you seemed to take energy and your time to comment, you do care some amount. Also ask Bethesda how their Atom Shop is working. With eight million less sales I am sure Bethesda is caring that is eight million people never going to see their Atom Shop.

So nobody cares? Yeah, those days are over. Ask Anthem. Ask Fallout 76. Heck even ask Zenimax before One Tamriel if the care or not.

Anhedonie wrote: »

I mean...all korean MMOs try to *** you in the ass big time. So, you know.

OH I know. Again. Doesn't matter if they do or not. All this means is Zenimax is not getting my money. So if Zenimax wants my money, what are they going to do to earn it?

lelink88 wrote: »

if you want a Pay to Win game withour PVE or questing. If you want grind forever and alot of hack cheat, go ahead. Problem about BDO that they have alot of HACK and cheat.

Again, that is not the point. I don't want a pay to win game. I don't to grind. Thing is, even if I get 100 hours out of BDO and never play again, that is 100 hours not playing ESO. That is me not seeing their crown store. That is me not giving Zenimax my money. That is money going to their cometitor.

After all, if $20 can give me 100 hours over a $20 cosmetic, that for me is better value. Yes I know BDO is worse off. I did say that. I can tell you haven't read all the posts and just wanted to comment.

The point is, while my $20 here and there (well a bit more than that if we are talking about throughout the year) is nothing, but as I said, I am no longer a drop. When millions of drops start doing this it is taking their toll. It already happened to ESO. That is why we got One Tameriel. It happened to Fallout 76. eight million plus non sales.

Look, I am old school. While there is much we can't do, at least letting the company know is a respectful thing to do on why we are not buying their "services" anymore. If they choose to ignore it, so be it. At least I tried.

perolord wrote: »

Let me anwser you... because i play ESO for like 2 years now... last year pretty almost every day.

AAAAAAnd like 3 weeks ago i wanted to play BDO, because it looks cool, it have that awsome profession system.. which is cool, boats,... great... and i bought the game, played it for like few days, then i started thinking...

in BDO there are no dungeons, raids... i do not play much of these.. but i would sure miss it...

Also, this grinding starting to kill me already... just to grind some things, i must go afk fishing for example.. over night,... and i get the filling that all i do in game is evolving around grinding... (not to mention, i really do not l ike this style of combat.. hyped combat... ).

So i spent some money by accident... and i went back to ESO as soon as i could ...

Another thing, BDO is only for pure pleasure and fun. If you are that type of guy, that you want to be close to the best ones... you simply can not do that in BDO, the hours that they have alredy in BDO, you can not get even close. They have computers on 24/7 to grind when they do not play...

At the end it is your decision... but i enjoy ESO waaaaaaaaaaaaay more than i did BDO....

Thank you for caring. I appreciate it. I am not leaving ESO at all. I did that before when they pissed me off. I know ESO is the best of the worst. Heck I would for me, say they are the best. I will not quit ESO because the actual developers work hard with what they are told to do. Thing is, I don't need to give my money since I already bought the game.

Thing is, why would a company take a chance of people leaving and going else where? (he he) I mean you were on the rocks once before, why even take a chance of that again, after seeing how the customers have changed. This gets me thinking that ESO is just for a buck and there is no long term plan if it ever tanks again and becomes like it was before One Tamreil.

Ermiq wrote: »

@Davor

Davor wrote: »

ESO is part of Bethesda Softworks (the publisher, not the developers).

They are not actually. Both Bethesda Softworks (publisher) and ZOS are part of big Zenimax Media family, but Bethesda Softworks is not an owner of ZOS. ZOS (and ESO) are controlled and owned by Zenimax Media itself.

They are part of ESO because they publish ESO. That would be like saying EA has nothing to do with Anthem or Star Wars Battlefield etc. Zenimax is a shell company anyways or it was and that is how it started up to be. Thing is, Bethesda Softworks publishes the game, so they are part of it.

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

Effectively you're saying that because a company who is related to the company you WERE going to spend money on has introduced a game with which you can't agree with the monetization process you are going to go and spend your money on a different game that has an even worse monetization process.

Man, that is some screwed up logic. Here's an idea, if you don't want ZOS to get your money then save it, but it into your bank account and don't give it to any of the evil capitalist toxic scum companies who make such wonderful entertainment for you and the rest of us!

It's like saying I'm not going to upgrade my really nice car because my car manufacturer's sister company has made a car which you have to pay to drive, so instead, I'm going to buy another car which you have to pay even more to drive.

At the end of the day, as the poster above says, do or do not, we don't care.

He he. You do care. If people say they don't care, they wouldn't comment. So the 0.0000000000000001% you really love me. Kidding aside I know I didn't explain myself very well when I was letting off steam.

Basically I was about to get some crowns for ESO. Before I got to doing it, I surfed the web as I usually do. That is when I read some reviews for Blades. Seeing what Blades did, reminded me on what ESO does. I guess for some reason, I just "accepted". Why, who knows, and doesn't matter in the end. In the end it reminded me I don't like this, and I don't want to support it. While like most people say, you can't get away with it, I can let Zenimax/Bethesda know I will no accept it from them.

Just because others do it, doesn't mean I should accept it from Zenimax and or Bethesda. So since I am not liking the increased pricing Zenimax or Bethesda Softworks (who ever sets the price, usually the publishers I believe) is doing, I am letting them know that I can get better value else where.

Just because I bought BDO doesn't mean I am going to support them. Once I had my fill, I will move on to something else. That doesn't mean I will stop playing ESO either. Thing is, they are not getting money from me anymore like they use to. I am sure Zenimax/Bethesda would love for me to continue my ESO+ and buying crowns instead of a once a year "story".

So if I am playing other games, that means I am buying other games where ESO would have been the place for my money. Seeing the 600 jewels for a mount now, is just ludicrous. That reinforces my belief that Zenimax/Bethesda is in the business of gambling to make money instead of making money by making an awesome product.

So if it takes going to another evil, then so be it. There is Star Trek Online. Free to play. So no money need to invest. While I don't like that is a gambling machine, I just don't need to play it. There is also Path of Exiles. Another free to play. I even spent money on there because I wanted to support them.

I guess, like someone said either here on this thread or somewhere else, don't make your customers feel like suckers when fleecing them for money. Look, I understand companies need to make money. What ever happened to making a good/great/awesome product to make money.

@Davor Where did you get the number that 8 million people did not buy Fallout 76? That just seems like a weird metrics to me.

Also I doubt anyone at ZOS/BethSoft/Zenimax Media is going to notice you not buying some crowns, as you said you're just a drop in the ocean. And no, the fact that people did not buy X other game does not change the fact that as far as ZOS is concerned you're still just a drop in the ocean.
Funnily enough I think this thread has a better chance of getting your concerns heard than spending $20 on another game.

Davor wrote: »

Ogou wrote: »

@Davor Where did you get the number that 8 million people did not buy Fallout 76? That just seems like a weird metrics to me.

Also I doubt anyone at ZOS/BethSoft/Zenimax Media is going to notice you not buying some crowns, as you said you're just a drop in the ocean. And no, the fact that people did not buy X other game does not change the fact that as far as ZOS is concerned you're still just a drop in the ocean.
Funnily enough I think this thread has a better chance of getting your concerns heard than spending $20 on another game.

It's just a guess and reading between the lines of what Bethesda said and reading a few other sources a while ago. I haven't been proven correct yet, but I haven't been proven wrong yet either. As I said, just a guess. I am actually being generous since some of the numbers I was reading was 13 million copies not sold that Bethesda was expecting. What ever the actual numbers I believe Bethesda are really not impressed with the numbers sold and physical copies returned.

Ah, so it's more Bethesda selling fewer copies than they expected and not 8 million people coming together to show Bethesda they disagree with what Bethesda is doing by not buying the game like I thought. Thanks for the clarification.

I disagree with bdo being worse. As far as console goes, bdo blows eso out of the water in most categories and no you do not need the cash shop however in bdo you do not need to sub for inventory management either. Graphics are better, user friendly. Redundant stuff like for consoles where we have no access to addons etc. Consoles have recieved the royal treatment for bdo, where zenimax just basically ignores that customer. Loot at the stuff zenimax charges for houses etc in bdo a personal house is 3 contribution points which you return if you want lmao. Eso needs a overhaul and new game engine instead of trying to milk the pixel crack *** for extra bucks.