Potions need to be more affordable

Czekoludek · April 2019

Or just make stamina more desirable in raids, now the difference in pots cost is like cost of one magicka potion > cost of 3 stam pots

Neoealth · April 2019

I disagree op. Just don't expect to get everything given to you. What I did was collect all the herbs i came across while lvling up and questing. You'd be surprised at how quickly mats start to add up. You can get easy herbs from imperial city if you put a little effort in.

The world is covered with herbs, just go collect them. Don't let your laziness damage the market for pots and herbs.

Even now if I come across a cornflower or lady's smock, i will stop dead in my tracks to pick them. Just make it a habit.

Kikke · April 2019

Essence of spell power on PC-EU has gone up from 150g a pop to over 200g a pop. This might be caused by multiple things:

1: We have a syndicate that loves too raise prices on said products
2: Stamina being exluded from mini-trials
3: There has been a couple or more bot whipes recently.
4: People continues to buy them at an inflated price, so sellers keep selling for inflated price.

Best way to deal with this is:

Farm telvar
Farm ap for ap potions
Farm your own mats
Farm something to sell to buy mats from stam players.
Find a stam player and trade mats

Anything! Except buying them at an inflated price.

Diundriel · April 2019

I suggested it already that they should make it possible to buy alchemy mats with AP this way a lot of Players would spend their ap to make and sell potions -->Prices will drop fast … good for everyone

david_m_18b16_ESO · April 2019

TumlinTheJolly wrote: »

Currently, poor players and casual players cannot afford to splash out on mats for a constant supply of desired potions. I for one end up just using 'povo pots' most of the time. This is too much of a disadvantage.

Spend skyshard on hireling if you wants free daily mats.

Otherwise make a farmer there is several guide on the web that even a casual noob like me can follow.

Easy farm mats for a ton of money per hours or farm stolen goods or zone with motif/recip drops.

Actualy consumable shouldn't rain off the sky, you should works for them otherwise why having them in the first place ?

Diundriel · April 2019

but you would kinda work for them if you could get them as a reward from pvp, wouldnt you?

david_m_18b16_ESO · April 2019

Czekoludek wrote: »

Or just make stamina more desirable in raids, now the difference in pots cost is like cost of one magicka potion > cost of 3 stam pots

And stam food cost 3 time the magicka food

sudaki_eso · April 2019

TumlinTheJolly wrote: »

Currently, poor players and casual players cannot afford to splash out on mats for a constant supply of desired potions.

What pots does a casual player use nowadays? Regular pots are dropping just by playing the game, a delve, dungeon whatever...just curious what pots you are popping all day...
As others already said, the "good stuff" is not intended to use all the time and i really doubt that a casual player doing normal dungeon/trials or overland content really is in need of those.

MentalxHammer · April 2019

As a busy college student and a PvPer who goes through upwards of 200 pots per day, I would say that I would enjoy this game more of mats were more accessible!

DisgracefulMind · April 2019

If you spend one day of your play session a week farming flowers or mats, selling off what you don't need, you will definitely be set for the week. I do that, and over time I've accumulated so many mats that I don't even worry about pots anymore.

Seriously, it adds up a ton.

ZonasArch · April 2019

TumlinTheJolly wrote: »

Currently, poor players and casual players cannot afford to splash out on mats for a constant supply of desired potions. I for one end up just using 'povo pots' most of the time. This is too much of a disadvantage.

The solution: Give us daily potion mats, and herb bags as rewards for BGs, dungeons etc.

Yes, it'd impact the economy... but so what?! Potions are a key part of the game. Make them more available. Let us enjoy them and play with them, rather than feel crappy about having to splash out on pricey herbs.

Side note: Lower the cost of vendor potions (specifically AP potions).

Or, you know... You can go farm.

FakeFox · April 2019

Who even takes something else then droppots outside of scoreruns, archivements and organized PvP?

Bouldercleave · April 2019

jacobabado wrote: »

As a busy college student and a PvPer who goes through upwards of 200 pots per day, I would say that I would enjoy this game more of mats were more accessible!

Mats couldn't POSSIBLY be more accessible - the damn things are literally just laying all over the ground...

Taleof2Cities · April 2019

MattT1988 wrote: »

LOL either stop being lazy and go farm more materials or fork out to someone who’s willing to do the leg work.

^This.^

We’re not changing the game for players that don’t want to use the resources at their disposal.

Mitrenga · April 2019

So, you are saying people spent their time/gold to farm all the mats and level up a relatively expensive skill line should charge you less? Market price is driven by demand and supply.

Starlock · April 2019

You identify as casual and use potions? I’m confused.

Then again, using potions at all confuses me. I can’t be bothred with them in any game. Even when I am trying to RP an alchemist. I try, and then I just cannot be bothered with it. I sell all the potions. And reagents.

MartiniDaniels · April 2019

If you don't wanna earn your own gold/mats for good pots, use builds which run on trash pots.

ToRelax · April 2019

For PvP, it creates a massive imbalance if one side isn't using quality potions. It's like leaving one skill slot empty.
I would very much welcome a more level playing field. We have gotten the siege vendor potions and sometimes free crown tri pots to help with this. Since they're clearly sub par to crafted potions, I'm assuming ZOS is trying to preserve the importance of crafting here. So ingredients for AP seems like the best solution.

SoLooney · April 2019

Kikke wrote: »

Essence of spell power on PC-EU has gone up from 150g a pop to over 200g a pop. This might be caused by multiple things:

1: We have a syndicate that loves too raise prices on said products
2: Stamina being exluded from mini-trials
3: There has been a couple or more bot whipes recently.
4: People continues to buy them at an inflated price, so sellers keep selling for inflated price.

Best way to deal with this is:

Farm telvar
Farm ap for ap potions
Farm your own mats
Farm something to sell to buy mats from stam players.
Find a stam player and trade mats

Anything! Except buying them at an inflated price.

Stam bow bow builds coming your way to mini trials!

Thank gosh weapon power pots and tri pots are cheap. I pretty much only tank and stam dps and then the occasional mag for mini trials

To the OP, we all suffer the need to farm or whatever to make money to afford the mats or pots. I do trials and sell trials skins for money. Not to mention writs on 15 toons. I'll agree spell power pots in particular are extremely pricey probably because guild traders are purposely increasing the prices on those. Cant have your cake and eat it too

Asys · April 2019

TumlinTheJolly wrote: »

Currently, poor players and casual players cannot afford to splash out on mats for a constant supply of desired potions. I for one end up just using 'povo pots' most of the time. This is too much of a disadvantage.

The solution: Give us daily potion mats, and herb bags as rewards for BGs, dungeons etc.

Yes, it'd impact the economy... but so what?! Potions are a key part of the game. Make them more available. Let us enjoy them and play with them, rather than feel crappy about having to splash out on pricey herbs.

Side note: Lower the cost of vendor potions (specifically AP potions).

dont you worry. Z$s will most likely get somethin in the crown store for you.

DaveMoeDee · April 2019

SoLooney wrote: »

Kikke wrote: »

Essence of spell power on PC-EU has gone up from 150g a pop to over 200g a pop. This might be caused by multiple things:

1: We have a syndicate that loves too raise prices on said products
2: Stamina being exluded from mini-trials
3: There has been a couple or more bot whipes recently.
4: People continues to buy them at an inflated price, so sellers keep selling for inflated price.

Best way to deal with this is:

Farm telvar
Farm ap for ap potions
Farm your own mats
Farm something to sell to buy mats from stam players.
Find a stam player and trade mats

Anything! Except buying them at an inflated price.

Stam bow bow builds coming your way to mini trials!

Thank gosh weapon power pots and tri pots are cheap. I pretty much only tank and stam dps and then the occasional mag for mini trials

To the OP, we all suffer the need to farm or whatever to make money to afford the mats or pots. I do trials and sell trials skins for money. Not to mention writs on 15 toons. I'll agree spell power pots in particular are extremely pricey probably because guild traders are purposely increasing the prices on those. Cant have your cake and eat it too

Everyone selling should be trying to "purposely increase" the prices. They should be seeing what the market can handle. So long as there is no collusion among guilds to deny access to competition and price fix, there is no problem with prices going up is people are willing to buy at those prices.

ezio45 · April 2019

really consumables in general. especially cw citrus and arteum

WillhelmBlack · April 2019

It's only really Corn Flower that's expensive. I suggest that you farm in IC from time to time, you can buy tons of satchels.

CatchMeTrolling · April 2019

Need a separate forum for each platform, part of what I think is wrong with feedback in this game. I’m rich for a predominately pvp player but still mats and potions are ridiculously high on my platform. Yes, I have my own mats but many people don’t and barely have 100k gold (1 tri glyph is 18-21k) on their account. In pvp pots make a big difference, they definitely should be more accessible and affordable.

Casdha · April 2019

it is also a good idea to level the skill and take the skill points in crafting so you make 4 at a time. Anything less is just wasting your good mats. Use the junk ones to level up.

Edit: at least on one character

WrathOfInnos · April 2019

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

With IC becoming it's own instance. Farm there or in cold harbor if not populated. Never use good pots in dungeon or pug trials. Modify bar or run with a dk friend for damage buff.

Is this why pug trials are so bad? Please don't listen to this advice and actually try when you're in a trial.

idk · April 2019

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

SoLooney wrote: »

Kikke wrote: »

Essence of spell power on PC-EU has gone up from 150g a pop to over 200g a pop. This might be caused by multiple things:

1: We have a syndicate that loves too raise prices on said products
2: Stamina being exluded from mini-trials
3: There has been a couple or more bot whipes recently.
4: People continues to buy them at an inflated price, so sellers keep selling for inflated price.

Best way to deal with this is:

Farm telvar
Farm ap for ap potions
Farm your own mats
Farm something to sell to buy mats from stam players.
Find a stam player and trade mats

Anything! Except buying them at an inflated price.

Stam bow bow builds coming your way to mini trials!

Thank gosh weapon power pots and tri pots are cheap. I pretty much only tank and stam dps and then the occasional mag for mini trials

To the OP, we all suffer the need to farm or whatever to make money to afford the mats or pots. I do trials and sell trials skins for money. Not to mention writs on 15 toons. I'll agree spell power pots in particular are extremely pricey probably because guild traders are purposely increasing the prices on those. Cant have your cake and eat it too

Everyone selling should be trying to "purposely increase" the prices. They should be seeing what the market can handle. So long as there is no collusion among guilds to deny access to competition and price fix, there is no problem with prices going up is people are willing to buy at those prices.

This is done as the lower cost matts are purchased it reaches a point people do not want to pay anymore. The way it works makes sense. If I want to sell mine faster I will post it for a lower price. If I want to sell for a better price yet am patient then I will do that. If I make a poor judgement and post it for to high of a price then I learn my lesson.

ToRelax · April 2019

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

SoLooney wrote: »

Kikke wrote: »

Essence of spell power on PC-EU has gone up from 150g a pop to over 200g a pop. This might be caused by multiple things:

1: We have a syndicate that loves too raise prices on said products
2: Stamina being exluded from mini-trials
3: There has been a couple or more bot whipes recently.
4: People continues to buy them at an inflated price, so sellers keep selling for inflated price.

Best way to deal with this is:

Farm telvar
Farm ap for ap potions
Farm your own mats
Farm something to sell to buy mats from stam players.
Find a stam player and trade mats

Anything! Except buying them at an inflated price.

Stam bow bow builds coming your way to mini trials!

Thank gosh weapon power pots and tri pots are cheap. I pretty much only tank and stam dps and then the occasional mag for mini trials

To the OP, we all suffer the need to farm or whatever to make money to afford the mats or pots. I do trials and sell trials skins for money. Not to mention writs on 15 toons. I'll agree spell power pots in particular are extremely pricey probably because guild traders are purposely increasing the prices on those. Cant have your cake and eat it too

Everyone selling should be trying to "purposely increase" the prices. They should be seeing what the market can handle. So long as there is no collusion among guilds to deny access to competition and price fix, there is no problem with prices going up is people are willing to buy at those prices.

What decides whether the prices are too high shouldn't be whether the sellers make a profit, but whether everyone has good enough access to the goods to meet their needs. It's not wrong for a seller to sell as high as possible, but when the price ends up making the game a worse experience for many players, ZOS should act on it.

itscompton · April 2019

Anotherone773 wrote: »

There are various solutions to your problem:

1) Spend more time farming mats
2) Farm other high profit stuff and sell it
3) Dont main line pots. They were not intended to be used that way. They are suppose to be situational not a constant buff.

That said i would like to see potions that do not have to be so micromanaged. Like 3 minutes of time but requires double the mats. I always felt the micro managing of buffs in this game was ridiculous. Just adds complexity without actually adding any playing value at all.

1) it's a game, I shouldn't have to feel like I'm going to work when I want to play
2) Just doing a different task, but it's still having to go to work.
3) If pots weren't meant to be used again on CD they wouldn't be the best solution for classes that don't have access to buffs like Major Sorcery. On my Templar I either have to consume a pot on CD to keep it Major Sorcery up or sacrifice a skill slot for a mages guild skill that doesn't do enough besides provide that buff to make it worthwhile.

Sure I can use Alliance war pots and I do. But then what was the use of leveling my crafting if its prohibitively expensive to use crafted pots? Not trying to be dramatic when I say this is a huge source of frustration with the game and a large part of the reason I play much much less than I used to.

Jhalin · April 2019

Go farm it yourself

If the farmer’s time isn’t worth the gold to you, go use your own