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Stamblade PvP META Builds for the Wrathstone Patch - Dunmer + Bosmer
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TheRealSniker✭✭✭✭✭
✭uFuqinwitme wrote: »@TheRealSniker whats your opinion on the stealth detection passive? Have you found much use of it in PvP scenarios?
I havent found any use of it anywhere, I catch up really fast to players who try to crouch away from me and those type of players usually are very squishy anyway, resulting in a very quick fight.
I see it as a "lore" passive, its just there to look good...2 -
Nevto✭✭I feel like Damage improved. I dont melt Players quite like you do in your Videos but I can feel the power. You said you run sharpened frontbar in battlegrounds? can you explain more in Detail why that is and why dont you go nirnhorned instead?0
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TheRealSniker✭✭✭✭✭
✭I feel like Damage improved. I dont melt Players quite like you do in your Videos but I can feel the power. You said you run sharpened frontbar in battlegrounds? can you explain more in Detail why that is and why dont you go nirnhorned instead?
Because people pop faster in BGs, therefor playing sharpened frontbar will amplify your burst damage even more making these people die even faster.0 -
Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TheRealSniker wrote: »TheRealSniker wrote: »5.) The Magicka pool differentiates a good Stamblade from a great one, the more magicka you have the more uncatchable you are. Newer hybrid sets like Shacklebreaker are part of the reason why Stamblades are so strong nowadays. And no, shacklebreaker is more stat dense than Bone Pirate and gives you more offensive stats.
The Magicka pool differentiates a good Stamblade from a great one, the more magicka you have the more uncatchable you are. - possibly. depends on how efficient you are with your magicka pool. having more magicka opens up more flexibility with using cloak and shade - but at a detriment to your offensive stats (stamina and weapon damage). you sacrifice the offensive stats for utility. how much sacrifice is dependent on how efficient you are with your utility pool.
Newer hybrid sets like Shacklebreaker are part of the reason why Stamblades are so strong nowadays.
Shacklebreaker is a strong set for just about every class, especially mag toons. A toon with 3+ magicka abilities across both bars could easily slot shacklebreaker and enjoy the benefits. if a stam toon has 2 or fewer magkica abilities (a stamplar for example), then shacklebreaker isn't as strong because the utility gained with magicka stats could be better invested in pure damage sets focused on stam/weapon damage
And no, shacklebreaker is more stat dense than Bone Pirate - True
and gives you more offensive stats - I believe this is false. it gives you more stats for both offense and utility than other sets.
2k Stamina and 129 weapon damage(174,19 after Buffs) is almost on par with 4192 Maximum Stamina, also Shacklebreaker provides you all the Magicka Sustain you will ever need, therefor you can run more weapon damage enchants on jewerly.
the most important part is that it allows you to run gold food instead of dubious which tips the scales in favor of shackle offensive wise.<Noricum>
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Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Nice, I got my stamblade to 50 and I suck at it. I need to good guide to follow to get started.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten0 -
TheRealSniker✭✭✭✭✭
✭ruikkarikun wrote: »@TheRealSniker I forgot to ask is this setup needs vampirism/lycanthropy?
I run Lycanthropy just in order to have the option to run WW ult backbar for the sustain, no vampirism as that makes you too squishy.0 -
Wompatom✭@TheRealSniker I'm currently running Bone Pirate + Shacklebreaker and I noticed that you mentioned in a another comment to run all weapon damage jewelry as infused with this setup.
Do you find losing the 2.5k stamina from dropping robust is worth the slight damage boost from infused? I'm somewhat reluctant to transmute my jewelry because I like having the larger stamina pool. (I mostly play no-CP so changing to infused would put me under 30k max stamina).
Thoughts?0 -
TheRealSniker✭✭✭✭✭
✭@TheRealSniker I'm currently running Bone Pirate + Shacklebreaker and I noticed that you mentioned in a another comment to run all weapon damage jewelry as infused with this setup.
Do you find losing the 2.5k stamina from dropping robust is worth the slight damage boost from infused? I'm somewhat reluctant to transmute my jewelry because I like having the larger stamina pool. (I mostly play no-CP so changing to infused would put me under 30k max stamina).
Thoughts?
3x Robust = 2610 Max Stamina = Around 3236 Max Stam in CP with Undaunted = 309 Weapon Damage(1 Wep dmg = 10,45 Max Stamina)
3x Infused = 312 more Weapon Damage = 421 Buffed with Agility and Major brutality
On top of that Max Stamina loses its multipliers in noCP while Weapon Damage doesnt.
3x Robust in noCP= 2610 Max Stamina = 249 Weapon Damage(Thats without Undaunted aswell, although u dont lose that in nCP)
You have enough recovery so you will be having an almost infinite stamina pool with potions anyway.
Edited by TheRealSniker on March 9, 2019 1:35PM2 -
ShadowProc✭✭✭✭✭TheRealSniker wrote: »@TheRealSniker I'm currently running Bone Pirate + Shacklebreaker and I noticed that you mentioned in a another comment to run all weapon damage jewelry as infused with this setup.
Do you find losing the 2.5k stamina from dropping robust is worth the slight damage boost from infused? I'm somewhat reluctant to transmute my jewelry because I like having the larger stamina pool. (I mostly play no-CP so changing to infused would put me under 30k max stamina).
Thoughts?
3x Robust = 2610 Max Stamina = Around 3236 Max Stam in CP with Undaunted = 309 Weapon Damage(1 Wep dmg = 10,45 Max Stamina)
3x Infused = 312 more Weapon Damage = 421 Buffed with Agility and Major brutality
On top of that Max Stamina loses its multipliers in noCP while Weapon Damage doesnt.
3x Robust in noCP= 2610 Max Stamina = 249 Weapon Damage(Thats without Undaunted aswell, although u dont lose that in nCP)
You have enough recovery so you will be having an almost infinite stamina pool with potions anyway.
Ah. I have wondered this. Wasn’t sure if it was worth trans gems. Ty. Need to log on and upgrade ShadowProc. Lol0 -
mursie✭✭✭✭✭the most important part is that it allows you to run gold food instead of dubious which tips the scales in favor of shackle offensive wise.
agree on this for sure. if you can afford ataeum, then shackle is the way to go. artaeum is just flat out better stats than dubious and bone requires dubios.
i personally run shackle/spriggan myself but used to run bone forever. a big part of the switch was the desire to run artaeum.0 -
Nevto✭✭finally after a few weeks i can start seeing results
i have only ever played stamdk and magplar before and everybody saying stamblade is easy to play is wrong
the build is amazing for solo play1 -
ruikkarikun✭✭✭✭✭@TheRealSniker Hey again!:)
RNG gates me too much. Wanted to ask again about setup without master bow. Unfortunately RNG hates me more then I expected so I can't get purple bone pirate jewelry right now. Have only blues.
How bad it will be against purple? Maybe better will be spriggan+shackle + spriggan bow, I have purple spriggan jewelry.0 -
Wompatom✭ruikkarikun wrote: »@TheRealSniker Hey again!:)
RNG gates me too much. Wanted to ask again about setup without master bow. Unfortunately RNG hates me more then I expected so I can't get purple bone pirate jewelry right now. Have only blues.
How bad it will be against purple? Maybe better will be spriggan+shackle + spriggan bow, I have purple spriggan jewelry.
Just thought I'd chime in because I was running the same gear as you. I swapped out spriggans for bone pirate, keeping shacklebreaker. You do lose a bit of damage but the sustain is crazy good. Without a master bow I'd much prefer this setup.0 -
Nerftheforums✭✭✭✭✭
✭ruikkarikun wrote: »@TheRealSniker Hey again!:)
RNG gates me too much. Wanted to ask again about setup without master bow. Unfortunately RNG hates me more then I expected so I can't get purple bone pirate jewelry right now. Have only blues.
How bad it will be against purple? Maybe better will be spriggan+shackle + spriggan bow, I have purple spriggan jewelry.
Just thought I'd chime in because I was running the same gear as you. I swapped out spriggans for bone pirate, keeping shacklebreaker. You do lose a bit of damage but the sustain is crazy good. Without a master bow I'd much prefer this setup.
You lose quite some damage, but yours is definitely a viable setup. Imo slotting a stam regen bow (hircine's bow has a nominated drop from the first boss, senche's bows can be bought, etc) would be your best bet here. Maybe even a mag rec one if you feel it's needed, depends on your playstyle really.0 -
ATomiX96✭✭✭✭✭
✭finally after a few weeks i can start seeing results
i have only ever played stamdk and magplar before and everybody saying stamblade is easy to play is wrong
the build is amazing for solo play
Its *** easy to play idk what you mean.
If keeping three 20 second long buffs up is considered hard to you, then it might be a case of L2P.
I play pretty much all classes and specs (some more often than others) and recently I dusted off my stamblade, whopped on spriggan, shackle, master bow and was just disgusted by how much damage output and sustain I had, even against good players on their main characters or against good players in bleed/spin2win setups which is arguably the counter to medium armor stamblade.
Most unexperienced, squishy players die to a cloak -> heavy attack + surprise attack -> incap combo which doesnt even take 2 seconds to pull off and due to assault passives youll have your ultimate back again after the killing blow.
If you have 2 thumbs and if you can light attack weave at least every 5th skill you press, you will succeed on a stamblade in open world.
The only thing you gotta learn, is not to overcommit into large groups of enemies and kite.5 -
TheRealSniker✭✭✭✭✭
✭ruikkarikun wrote: »@TheRealSniker Hey again!:)
RNG gates me too much. Wanted to ask again about setup without master bow. Unfortunately RNG hates me more then I expected so I can't get purple bone pirate jewelry right now. Have only blues.
How bad it will be against purple? Maybe better will be spriggan+shackle + spriggan bow, I have purple spriggan jewelry.
Shacklebreaker + Bone Pirate + Bloodspawn is your next best choice in that case, with the regen you already have id recommend either running an execute or channeled acceleration/evil hunter on frontbar instead of leeching strikes0 -
ATomiX96✭✭✭✭✭
✭And if you wanna mine salt and farm hate whispers, definitly play stamblade, youll get "reported with video evidence" and accused of macro-use every 20 minutes.Edited by ATomiX96 on March 25, 2019 1:06PM1 -
mursie✭✭✭✭✭finally after a few weeks i can start seeing results
i have only ever played stamdk and magplar before and everybody saying stamblade is easy to play is wrong
the build is amazing for solo play
Its *** easy to play idk what you mean.
If keeping three 20 second long buffs up is considered hard to you, then it might be a case of L2P.
I play pretty much all classes and specs (some more often than others) and recently I dusted off my stamblade, whopped on spriggan, shackle, master bow and was just disgusted by how much damage output and sustain I had, even against good players on their main characters or against good players in bleed/spin2win setups which is arguably the counter to medium armor stamblade.
Most unexperienced, squishy players die to a cloak -> heavy attack + surprise attack -> incap combo which doesnt even take 2 seconds to pull off and due to assault passives youll have your ultimate back again after the killing blow.
If you have 2 thumbs and if you can light attack weave at least every 5th skill you press, you will succeed on a stamblade in open world.
The only thing you gotta learn, is not to overcommit into large groups of enemies and kite.
you can kill solo stragglers that are unaware - congratulations. against anything organized you are useless. in bg mosh pits filled with aoe - you are useless.
stamblade is an open world solo straggler killing machine. that is what it excels at.2 -
Vanzen✭✭✭✭✭Shackle/Spriggan/Domi/Molag
2H/Bow
Cloak on both bars
I hate myself so abused this is in BG0 -
Rukzadlithau✭✭✭✭finally after a few weeks i can start seeing results
i have only ever played stamdk and magplar before and everybody saying stamblade is easy to play is wrong
the build is amazing for solo play
Its *** easy to play idk what you mean.
If keeping three 20 second long buffs up is considered hard to you, then it might be a case of L2P.
I play pretty much all classes and specs (some more often than others) and recently I dusted off my stamblade, whopped on spriggan, shackle, master bow and was just disgusted by how much damage output and sustain I had, even against good players on their main characters or against good players in bleed/spin2win setups which is arguably the counter to medium armor stamblade.
Most unexperienced, squishy players die to a cloak -> heavy attack + surprise attack -> incap combo which doesnt even take 2 seconds to pull off and due to assault passives youll have your ultimate back again after the killing blow.
If you have 2 thumbs and if you can light attack weave at least every 5th skill you press, you will succeed on a stamblade in open world.
The only thing you gotta learn, is not to overcommit into large groups of enemies and kite.
you can kill solo stragglers that are unaware - congratulations. against anything organized you are useless. in bg mosh pits filled with aoe - you are useless.
stamblade is an open world solo straggler killing machine. that is what it excels at.
U fantasizing? Against organized groups Stamblades excel at takeing out the most important targets with their unavoidable mechanics: Fear, defile, undodgeable incap, incredible burst. Their survivial in any situation is out the roof. In group play they have the easiest way to disengage, setup camps or rez. Aoe mitigation and absurd cloak mechanics even allow them to completely ignore supposed counters (force miss). Bleedblades win duel tournaments since One Tamriel. Everything synergizes too well on this class and it‘s one of the few to always create „complete“ loadouts, regardless of which setup. I wish other classes were brought in line 2 years ago, and even then Stamblade would have to get tuned down.Edited by Rukzadlithau on March 25, 2019 4:09PM1 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭finally after a few weeks i can start seeing results
i have only ever played stamdk and magplar before and everybody saying stamblade is easy to play is wrong
the build is amazing for solo play
Its *** easy to play idk what you mean.
If keeping three 20 second long buffs up is considered hard to you, then it might be a case of L2P.
I play pretty much all classes and specs (some more often than others) and recently I dusted off my stamblade, whopped on spriggan, shackle, master bow and was just disgusted by how much damage output and sustain I had, even against good players on their main characters or against good players in bleed/spin2win setups which is arguably the counter to medium armor stamblade.
Most unexperienced, squishy players die to a cloak -> heavy attack + surprise attack -> incap combo which doesnt even take 2 seconds to pull off and due to assault passives youll have your ultimate back again after the killing blow.
If you have 2 thumbs and if you can light attack weave at least every 5th skill you press, you will succeed on a stamblade in open world.
The only thing you gotta learn, is not to overcommit into large groups of enemies and kite.
you can kill solo stragglers that are unaware - congratulations. against anything organized you are useless. in bg mosh pits filled with aoe - you are useless.
stamblade is an open world solo straggler killing machine. that is what it excels at.
U fantasizing? Against organized groups Stamblades excel at takeing out the most important targets with their unavoidable mechanics: Fear, defile, undodgeable incap, incredible burst. Their survivial in any situation is out the roof. In group play they have the easiest way to disengage, setup camps or rez. Aoe mitigation and absurd cloak mechanics even allow them to completely ignore supposed counters (force miss). Bleedblades win duel tournaments since One Tamriel. Everything synergizes too well on this class and it‘s one of the few to always create „complete“ loadouts, regardless of which setup. I wish other classes were brought in line 2 years ago, and even then Stamblade would have to get tuned down.
Duel tournaments? Try playing one without rules and you’ll get different results. You can’t translate performance in duel tournaments to in game as long as there are rules that limit play styles.
Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten0 -
ruikkarikun✭✭✭✭✭TheRealSniker wrote: »ruikkarikun wrote: »@TheRealSniker Hey again!:)
RNG gates me too much. Wanted to ask again about setup without master bow. Unfortunately RNG hates me more then I expected so I can't get purple bone pirate jewelry right now. Have only blues.
How bad it will be against purple? Maybe better will be spriggan+shackle + spriggan bow, I have purple spriggan jewelry.
Shacklebreaker + Bone Pirate + Bloodspawn is your next best choice in that case, with the regen you already have id recommend either running an execute or channeled acceleration/evil hunter on frontbar instead of leeching strikes
Yes, but I have only blue jewelry, like I will try to farm and upgrade to purple, but idk when I will can do this, so I wanted to understand how bad is blue against purple in this case.0 -
Ramzdonb16_ESO✭✭✭NordSwordnBoard wrote: »Just throwing this out there: Does anybody think Way of the Air, which gives a dmg bonus for rolling would synergize well with Bosmer? It would probably be niche, but I'm on console - can't test and haven't heard. You do lose a precious bonus just to +2m detection...
Go senches bite body, armour of truth jewellery (infused) and 2h and the off balance perk from roll dodging from cp. Obvi use a masters bow if you got it.
Roll dodge, heavy, incap
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Ramzdonb16_ESO✭✭✭uFuqinwitme wrote: »@TheRealSniker whats your opinion on the stealth detection passive? Have you found much use of it in PvP scenarios?
Useless, the only stealthed opponents you want to see are cloaked ones.0 -
darkblue5✭✭✭✭✭Ramzdonb16_ESO wrote: »uFuqinwitme wrote: »@TheRealSniker whats your opinion on the stealth detection passive? Have you found much use of it in PvP scenarios?
Useless, the only stealthed opponents you want to see are cloaked ones.
It goes through cloak usually but lag seems to mess it up sometimes.0 -
Wompatom✭Nerftheforums wrote: »ruikkarikun wrote: »@TheRealSniker Hey again!:)
RNG gates me too much. Wanted to ask again about setup without master bow. Unfortunately RNG hates me more then I expected so I can't get purple bone pirate jewelry right now. Have only blues.
How bad it will be against purple? Maybe better will be spriggan+shackle + spriggan bow, I have purple spriggan jewelry.
Just thought I'd chime in because I was running the same gear as you. I swapped out spriggans for bone pirate, keeping shacklebreaker. You do lose a bit of damage but the sustain is crazy good. Without a master bow I'd much prefer this setup.
You lose quite some damage, but yours is definitely a viable setup. Imo slotting a stam regen bow (hircine's bow has a nominated drop from the first boss, senche's bows can be bought, etc) would be your best bet here. Maybe even a mag rec one if you feel it's needed, depends on your playstyle really.
True, I forgot to mention that I only play no-CP PvP (lots of BGs and a bit of Cyrodil). I find I don't miss the extra damage since in no-CP people die a lot easier and you lose a lot of sustain. I run Executioner as well so taking down tankier targets is a bit more reliable given the lower overall damage output. The overall sustain for both stamina and magicka is just so tasty. In CP campaigns you would be right, the damage loss would be quite significant due to most players being able to take more punishment.0 -
TheRealSniker✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ramzdonb16_ESO wrote: »NordSwordnBoard wrote: »Just throwing this out there: Does anybody think Way of the Air, which gives a dmg bonus for rolling would synergize well with Bosmer? It would probably be niche, but I'm on console - can't test and haven't heard. You do lose a precious bonus just to +2m detection...
Go senches bite body, armour of truth jewellery (infused) and 2h and the off balance perk from roll dodging from cp. Obvi use a masters bow if you got it.
Roll dodge, heavy, incap
Could run well fitted too
Senches body is a meme0