Stamblade PvP META Builds for the Wrathstone Patch - Dunmer + Bosmer

TheRealSniker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM8bkh-I0Dc

Questions and Suggestions appreciated!
Love you all.

Nevto

Thank you alot for the builds and detailed explenation! You seem to have a much different view on the game than majority of the Forums. A few more Things I want to ask you are:
What are your thoughts About the removal of the Stealth passive?
How strong are Bosmers compared to other races like Orc?
Is Orc a good race for Stamblade?
How good are Khajiits for a Stamblade?
Why do you run such a big magicka pool, wouldnt running Bone Pirate be better on your Bosmer build?

TheRealSniker

Nevto wrote: »

Thank you alot for the builds and detailed explenation! You seem to have a much different view on the game than majority of the Forums. A few more Things I want to ask you are:
What are your thoughts About the removal of the Stealth passive?
How strong are Bosmers compared to other races like Orc?
Is Orc a good race for Stamblade?
How good are Khajiits for a Stamblade?
Why do you run such a big magicka pool, wouldnt running Bone Pirate be better on your Bosmer build?

1.) The Stealth passive wasn't as big of a thing as people think it was, it made up for about 300-500 damage from a single combo, depending on what you were running ofcourse. Ofcourse its a minor hit to gankers but for a normal Stamblade build it
has no effect, as it stands the Movement speed and Penetration passive is alot more versatile and stronger for anybody.

2.) Bosmers are very strong, they would even be strong without the extra Penetration passive, yet we have it and its amazing. Bosmers fit really well to the Medium Armor Stamblade playstyle aswell and you will take advantage of every single passive they offer, unlike you would on any other race for example Orc.

3.) Orcs are decent, what youre basically doing with Orcs is trade the stamina recovery for some weapon damage which you can then regain. So their stats will be exactly the same as Bosmers but youre gonna be left with a little bit more health and a healing passive which is not gonna be very useful for your playstyle.

4.) With the change from crit chance to crit damage Khajiits got a buff for the Stamblade playstyle, they can be quite strong but are missing sets that would make them shine. Theyre better than most races but definetly behind Bosmers and Dunmers.

5.) The Magicka pool differentiates a good Stamblade from a great one, the more magicka you have the more uncatchable you are. Newer hybrid sets like Shacklebreaker are part of the reason why Stamblades are so strong nowadays. And no, shacklebreaker is more stat dense than Bone Pirate and gives you more offensive stats.

mursie

TheRealSniker wrote: »

5.) The Magicka pool differentiates a good Stamblade from a great one, the more magicka you have the more uncatchable you are. Newer hybrid sets like Shacklebreaker are part of the reason why Stamblades are so strong nowadays. And no, shacklebreaker is more stat dense than Bone Pirate and gives you more offensive stats.

The Magicka pool differentiates a good Stamblade from a great one, the more magicka you have the more uncatchable you are. - possibly. depends on how efficient you are with your magicka pool. having more magicka opens up more flexibility with using cloak and shade - but at a detriment to your offensive stats (stamina and weapon damage). you sacrifice the offensive stats for utility. how much sacrifice is dependent on how efficient you are with your utility pool.

Newer hybrid sets like Shacklebreaker are part of the reason why Stamblades are so strong nowadays.
Shacklebreaker is a strong set for just about every class, especially mag toons. A toon with 3+ magicka abilities across both bars could easily slot shacklebreaker and enjoy the benefits. if a stam toon has 2 or fewer magkica abilities (a stamplar for example), then shacklebreaker isn't as strong because the utility gained with magicka stats could be better invested in pure damage sets focused on stam/weapon damage

And no, shacklebreaker is more stat dense than Bone Pirate - True

and gives you more offensive stats - I believe this is false. it gives you more stats for both offense and utility than other sets.

TheRealSniker

mursie wrote: »

TheRealSniker wrote: »

5.) The Magicka pool differentiates a good Stamblade from a great one, the more magicka you have the more uncatchable you are. Newer hybrid sets like Shacklebreaker are part of the reason why Stamblades are so strong nowadays. And no, shacklebreaker is more stat dense than Bone Pirate and gives you more offensive stats.

The Magicka pool differentiates a good Stamblade from a great one, the more magicka you have the more uncatchable you are. - possibly. depends on how efficient you are with your magicka pool. having more magicka opens up more flexibility with using cloak and shade - but at a detriment to your offensive stats (stamina and weapon damage). you sacrifice the offensive stats for utility. how much sacrifice is dependent on how efficient you are with your utility pool.

Newer hybrid sets like Shacklebreaker are part of the reason why Stamblades are so strong nowadays.
Shacklebreaker is a strong set for just about every class, especially mag toons. A toon with 3+ magicka abilities across both bars could easily slot shacklebreaker and enjoy the benefits. if a stam toon has 2 or fewer magkica abilities (a stamplar for example), then shacklebreaker isn't as strong because the utility gained with magicka stats could be better invested in pure damage sets focused on stam/weapon damage

And no, shacklebreaker is more stat dense than Bone Pirate - True

and gives you more offensive stats - I believe this is false. it gives you more stats for both offense and utility than other sets.

2k Stamina and 129 weapon damage(174,19 after Buffs) is almost on par with 4192 Maximum Stamina, also Shacklebreaker provides you all the Magicka Sustain you will ever need, therefor you can run more weapon damage enchants on jewerly.

Adenoma

I really like wood elf on a lot of builds now. It basically lets you run steed for free.

NyassaV

TheRealSniker wrote: »

mursie wrote: »

TheRealSniker wrote: »

5.) The Magicka pool differentiates a good Stamblade from a great one, the more magicka you have the more uncatchable you are. Newer hybrid sets like Shacklebreaker are part of the reason why Stamblades are so strong nowadays. And no, shacklebreaker is more stat dense than Bone Pirate and gives you more offensive stats.

The Magicka pool differentiates a good Stamblade from a great one, the more magicka you have the more uncatchable you are. - possibly. depends on how efficient you are with your magicka pool. having more magicka opens up more flexibility with using cloak and shade - but at a detriment to your offensive stats (stamina and weapon damage). you sacrifice the offensive stats for utility. how much sacrifice is dependent on how efficient you are with your utility pool.

Newer hybrid sets like Shacklebreaker are part of the reason why Stamblades are so strong nowadays.
Shacklebreaker is a strong set for just about every class, especially mag toons. A toon with 3+ magicka abilities across both bars could easily slot shacklebreaker and enjoy the benefits. if a stam toon has 2 or fewer magkica abilities (a stamplar for example), then shacklebreaker isn't as strong because the utility gained with magicka stats could be better invested in pure damage sets focused on stam/weapon damage

And no, shacklebreaker is more stat dense than Bone Pirate - True

and gives you more offensive stats - I believe this is false. it gives you more stats for both offense and utility than other sets.

2k Stamina and 129 weapon damage(174,19 after Buffs) is almost on par with 4192 Maximum Stamina, also Shacklebreaker provides you all the Magicka Sustain you will ever need, therefor you can run more weapon damage enchants on jewerly.

Just be lazy and use Shackle and BP at the same time ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

NordSwordnBoard

Just throwing this out there: Does anybody think Way of the Air, which gives a dmg bonus for rolling would synergize well with Bosmer? It would probably be niche, but I'm on console - can't test and haven't heard. You do lose a precious bonus just to +2m detection...

Edika

very nice guide

what would you run if you didnt have master bow? (beside running vDSA i mean XD)

TheRealSniker

Edika wrote: »

very nice guide

what would you run if you didnt have master bow? (beside running vDSA i mean XD)

Id switch to an entirely different build: Bone Pirate + Shacklebreaker with all infused weapon damage jewerly, your sustain will beso good thatyou dont have to run leeching strikes either!

TheRealSniker

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

Just throwing this out there: Does anybody think Way of the Air, which gives a dmg bonus for rolling would synergize well with Bosmer? It would probably be niche, but I'm on console - can't test and haven't heard. You do lose a precious bonus just to +2m detection...

The Damage Bonus of Way of Air gets outperformed by many sets, even sustain sets like Bone Pirate, quite literally

Wildbloom

I'm obviously not getting something. On a character with similar sets, I have 7k less max hp and less than half of your physical and spell resistances. I'm a bosmer, and the worst thing for me in pvp right now is just getting close to other players! I get obliterated and now I'm starting to wonder how, seeing as I'm so, so much squishier than you statistically. Where does all of your resistance and health come from? What am I missing? It's not CP, is it, or does your SS of your stats on the 3:29 part of your video have some unmentioned buff? I'm in full med with a heavy shoulder and a light helm, but I know bumping the helm up to med wont give me 10k+ resist and 7k health.

TheRealSniker

Gibgarde wrote: »

I'm obviously not getting something. On a character with similar sets, I have 7k less max hp and less than half of your physical and spell resistances. I'm a bosmer, and the worst thing for me in pvp right now is just getting close to other players! I get obliterated and now I'm starting to wonder how, seeing as I'm so, so much squishier than you statistically. Where does all of your resistance and health come from? What am I missing? It's not CP, is it, or does your SS of your stats on the 3:29 part of your video have some unmentioned buff? I'm in full med with a heavy shoulder and a light helm, but I know bumping the helm up to med wont give me 10k+ resist and 7k health.

My health comes from dubious camoran + all tristat glyphs on body, my resistances are buffed with major buffs such as ward(that come from your passive) and a procced Bloodspawn(which will have atleast a 70% uptime in a fight)

Nerftheforums

Gibgarde wrote: »

I'm obviously not getting something. On a character with similar sets, I have 7k less max hp and less than half of your physical and spell resistances. I'm a bosmer, and the worst thing for me in pvp right now is just getting close to other players! I get obliterated and now I'm starting to wonder how, seeing as I'm so, so much squishier than you statistically. Where does all of your resistance and health come from? What am I missing? It's not CP, is it, or does your SS of your stats on the 3:29 part of your video have some unmentioned buff? I'm in full med with a heavy shoulder and a light helm, but I know bumping the helm up to med wont give me 10k+ resist and 7k health.

Change that head to heavy and shoulder to light if you really want to go 5-1-1. The head, together with legs, gives the 2nd highest value in terms of resistances. Using a light piece for your head is giving up quite some resistances.

Sypherioth

Bosmer got better then with 21% stam regen XD. My stats were like 1700 stam regen and they are now 1900. Also the 10% max stam was crap. The 2k flat stam gave me like 1500 more stam on my build.

I think they done a great job balancing. Because if compare dunmer and bosmer all you have to is basicly change out Mundus buffs. Give dunmer stam regen and give bosmer weapon dmg buff. And they are pretty much the same stat wise. Only if you want to go for max weapon dmg or max crit dmg etc then the options are crap XD

Only khajit is the true crit dmg race. Only races with weapon dmg buff are good for maximum weapon dmg builds. And for very high regen only high regen races are good.

Everyone who uses a more balanced stat pool has lot of race options.

glavius

Nerftheforums wrote: »

Gibgarde wrote: »

I'm obviously not getting something. On a character with similar sets, I have 7k less max hp and less than half of your physical and spell resistances. I'm a bosmer, and the worst thing for me in pvp right now is just getting close to other players! I get obliterated and now I'm starting to wonder how, seeing as I'm so, so much squishier than you statistically. Where does all of your resistance and health come from? What am I missing? It's not CP, is it, or does your SS of your stats on the 3:29 part of your video have some unmentioned buff? I'm in full med with a heavy shoulder and a light helm, but I know bumping the helm up to med wont give me 10k+ resist and 7k health.

Change that head to heavy and shoulder to light if you really want to go 5-1-1. The head, together with legs, gives the 2nd highest value in terms of resistances. Using a light piece for your head is giving up quite some resistances.

Not true. Highest armor piece is body. Head, shoulder, legs and feet give the same. Then gloves, then belt.

Brrrofski

glavius wrote: »

Nerftheforums wrote: »

Gibgarde wrote: »

I'm obviously not getting something. On a character with similar sets, I have 7k less max hp and less than half of your physical and spell resistances. I'm a bosmer, and the worst thing for me in pvp right now is just getting close to other players! I get obliterated and now I'm starting to wonder how, seeing as I'm so, so much squishier than you statistically. Where does all of your resistance and health come from? What am I missing? It's not CP, is it, or does your SS of your stats on the 3:29 part of your video have some unmentioned buff? I'm in full med with a heavy shoulder and a light helm, but I know bumping the helm up to med wont give me 10k+ resist and 7k health.

Change that head to heavy and shoulder to light if you really want to go 5-1-1. The head, together with legs, gives the 2nd highest value in terms of resistances. Using a light piece for your head is giving up quite some resistances.

Not true. Highest armor piece is body. Head, shoulder, legs and feet give the same. Then gloves, then belt.

Yeh, head and shoulder have given the same for a while now so doesn't matter which is light and which is heavy

ruikkarikun

@TheRealSniker thx for guides:)
What do you think will be the option if I don't have master bow?

TheRealSniker

ruikkarikun wrote: »

@TheRealSniker thx for guides:)
What do you think will be the option if I don't have master bow?

Bone Pirate + shacklebreaker with all infused wep dmg jewerly and evil hunter/killers blade frontbar

ruikkarikun

TheRealSniker wrote: »

ruikkarikun wrote: »

@TheRealSniker thx for guides:)
What do you think will be the option if I don't have master bow?

Bone Pirate + shacklebreaker with all infused wep dmg jewerly and evil hunter/killers blade frontbar

Thanks!

Strider__Roshin

Best race options if you don't like to kite?

TheRealSniker

Daus wrote: »

Best race options if you don't like to kite?

Youd have to play Heavy Armor then, and even then youd kite a little anyway, but for heavy armor Orcs and Imperials are really good

grannas211

So infused over nirn for 2h?

TheRealSniker

grannas211 wrote: »

So infused over nirn for 2h?

Theres 2 choices - Infused or Sharpened
Infused provides more pressure damage and lines up really well with any Stamblades Burst
Sharpened provides more Burst damage but once you throw all your big abilities on your target, you wont have the pressure anymore

Brrrofski

Gonna switch it up on my stamblade I think.

Eternal hunt
Senche
Balorgh
3 well fitted, 4 impen

Orzorga gold food
2x infused weapon damage rings
Robust neck magica regen
Steed mundus
Nirn 2h sword disease damage
Infused bow weapon damage
All stam enchants on armour

Stats look good on build editor, can't try it yet (on Xbox)

Ragnaroek93

TheRealSniker wrote: »

ruikkarikun wrote: »

@TheRealSniker thx for guides:)
What do you think will be the option if I don't have master bow?

Bone Pirate + shacklebreaker with all infused wep dmg jewerly and evil hunter/killers blade frontbar

Wouldn't recommend using infused trait on jewelry at all. Jewelry needs to be gold to get value out of infused and even with gold jewelry the dmg gain is so minimal that it's hard to justify the loss of max stats which you get from robust. Imo triune trait would be the best and robust the second best for the majority of playerbase (or maybe protective if you want to be more tanky).

JobooAGS

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

TheRealSniker wrote: »

ruikkarikun wrote: »

@TheRealSniker thx for guides:)
What do you think will be the option if I don't have master bow?

Bone Pirate + shacklebreaker with all infused wep dmg jewerly and evil hunter/killers blade frontbar

Wouldn't recommend using infused trait on jewelry at all. Jewelry needs to be gold to get value out of infused and even with gold jewelry the dmg gain is so minimal that it's hard to justify the loss of max stats which you get from robust. Imo triune trait would be the best and robust the second best for the majority of playerbase (or maybe protective if you want to be more tanky).

What about bgs and non cp where you are losing 20% of your max stats and your weapon dmg remains the same

Malamar1229

You can also wear mayonnaise and kittens on a stamblade and be effective

Malamar1229

Brrrofski wrote: »

glavius wrote: »

Nerftheforums wrote: »

Gibgarde wrote: »

I'm obviously not getting something. On a character with similar sets, I have 7k less max hp and less than half of your physical and spell resistances. I'm a bosmer, and the worst thing for me in pvp right now is just getting close to other players! I get obliterated and now I'm starting to wonder how, seeing as I'm so, so much squishier than you statistically. Where does all of your resistance and health come from? What am I missing? It's not CP, is it, or does your SS of your stats on the 3:29 part of your video have some unmentioned buff? I'm in full med with a heavy shoulder and a light helm, but I know bumping the helm up to med wont give me 10k+ resist and 7k health.

Change that head to heavy and shoulder to light if you really want to go 5-1-1. The head, together with legs, gives the 2nd highest value in terms of resistances. Using a light piece for your head is giving up quite some resistances.

Not true. Highest armor piece is body. Head, shoulder, legs and feet give the same. Then gloves, then belt.

Yeh, head and shoulder have given the same for a while now so doesn't matter which is light and which is heavy

Head and shoulder will also help manage with that dandruff

TheRealSniker

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

TheRealSniker wrote: »

ruikkarikun wrote: »

@TheRealSniker thx for guides:)
What do you think will be the option if I don't have master bow?

Bone Pirate + shacklebreaker with all infused wep dmg jewerly and evil hunter/killers blade frontbar

Wouldn't recommend using infused trait on jewelry at all. Jewelry needs to be gold to get value out of infused and even with gold jewelry the dmg gain is so minimal that it's hard to justify the loss of max stats which you get from robust. Imo triune trait would be the best and robust the second best for the majority of playerbase (or maybe protective if you want to be more tanky).

uFuqinwitme

@TheRealSniker whats your opinion on the stealth detection passive? Have you found much use of it in PvP scenarios?