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Should unlocking and levelling Psijic skill lines be availble in crown store too like skyshards?
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VDoom1✭✭✭✭✭NoSkyshards are a completely unique thing. As others have said you need skill points to advance in skill lines. Like professions, guilds, vampire or werewolf, undaunted etc. Skyshards are plain and simple skill points acquirer, nothing else.
There is a big difference between Skyshards and Psijic as well as the other guilds.
I'm not a big fan of repeating content, grinding mages guild to max on a new sorcerer for example. But there are also quests and a story tied to it. If you were to skip to max in Psijic or Mages Guild or Fighters Guild you would be missing out on things, not just skill points.
It's part of how you access the story and other rewards in Psijic. So nope, no pay to skip.Edited by VDoom1 on March 31, 2019 9:40AMWe Fight For Cyrodiil.
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Prof_Bawbag✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Moloch1514 wrote: »Might as well. Let's add Mage's Guild Lorebooks as well.
Oh yes, and eso main quest that’s mandatory on each alt too, what’s the point of doing the same quest for each new toon.
That's literally the point of playing a game, actually playing it.
People want to pay money to not play a game which is silly because you can just not play it … for free.
But games aren't supposed to be a chore. Just because something has been implemented in a game doesn't automatically mean it can't be improved or is suddenly beyond reproach.
I don't want this *** in the CS, but they really do need to change these skill line chores up a little. As I said further up, the FG is fine. It's not a chore. It just happens naturally. After level 6 mages and nearly all the psijic ones are truly awful from a gaming perspective. they're dull af. Not enjoyable in the slightest after the first time and especially so after the 3rd or 4th time.
Edited by Prof_Bawbag on March 30, 2019 9:20PM0 -
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✭NoProf_Bawbag wrote: »Moloch1514 wrote: »Might as well. Let's add Mage's Guild Lorebooks as well.
Oh yes, and eso main quest that’s mandatory on each alt too, what’s the point of doing the same quest for each new toon.
That's literally the point of playing a game, actually playing it.
People want to pay money to not play a game which is silly because you can just not play it … for free.
But games aren't supposed to be a chore. Just because something has been implemented in a game doesn't automatically mean it can't be improved or is suddenly beyond reproach.
I don't want this *** in the CS, but they really do need to change these skill line chores up a little. As I said further up, the FG is fine. It's not a chore. It just happens naturally. After level 6 mages and nearly all the psijic ones are truly awful from a gaming perspective. they're dull af. Not enjoyable in the slightest after the first time and especially so after the 3rd or 4th time.
^This. This game doesn't have any 'radiant' questing systems in the sense that things are random. Everything is in the same spot, on top of the same quests, on top of the same areas, that you see on every character you level. After the fifth time, people are like "Do I really want to do this again just for another character?" If the questlines weren't bland af, maybe people would like to do them. Or make them naturally progressing where it's not an issue. But they won't do that. So long as it's not giftable (because achievement based stuff was my concern), it's a non-issue. People will get them if they want them, if they make it in. It's happening and people just need to deal with it.Edited by FleetwoodSmack on March 30, 2019 9:37PMTell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!1 -
Universe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NoUnlocking skill lines through the crown store is even more pure P2W than crown store skyshard pack/s.
I don't like the direction the marketing & crown store department is taking the game.
I hope ZOS will change their minds and not include any hard/long grinds in the crown store, such as skill lines, champion points, skyshards etc.
Let's not make this game dull and/or the ultimate micro transactions game in history.
All the recent news about the micro transactions may be the base to prepare ESO to change from B2P to F2P.
F2P games often have multiple P2W or border P2W elements.Edited by Universe on March 30, 2019 9:52PMSome videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
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✭✭✭✭✭They already said in the stream it's coming, it's a matter of time.
And now we see why "pay for convenience" leads to worse gameplay experiences. It's not really that hard to believe they made stuff like Psijic guild line so tedious and grindy to level up, so it's much more preferable to just throw money at them to get it leveled on all your alts.
Say hello to even more grindy schemes to "incentivize" you into the crown store for pay-for-convenience.3 -
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✭✭✭✭NoWhat future content will be made so revolting that we can (will run screaming to) buy all its perks in the crown store?
(I doubt they'd do that to us.)Edited by Dojohoda on March 30, 2019 9:41PMFan of playing magblade since 2015. (PC NA)
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✭✭✭✭✭OtherWhatever.
I mean... I would never ever bother spending my crowns on something I can have fun playing for (and just recently "furried" one of my alts the hard way again, hunting the rift at night until I found one of the woofers to bite his hairy nord arse and give him the curse...) - but if someone has more money then patiece, why not give them an option to fork it over to ZOS so they can buy more mansters for their servers or whatever?
I would happily argue hard against any "account wide for free" ideas but, if they make them _pay- for it, I have no qualms whatsoever about letting people buy any guild advancement, mages, fighters, thieves, DB, psijic... same mechanic like the skyshards thing they have been talking about (gotta have it on another character already), and please as overpaid at the motivs or namechange... I'm okay with that.0 -
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✭NoTheShadowScout wrote: »Whatever.
I mean... I would never ever bother spending my crowns on something I can have fun playing for (and just recently "furried" one of my alts the hard way again, hunting the rift at night until I found one of the woofers to bite his hairy nord arse and give him the curse...) - but if someone has more money then patiece, why not give them an option to fork it over to ZOS so they can buy more mansters for their servers or whatever?
I would happily argue hard against any "account wide for free" ideas but, if they make them _pay- for it, I have no qualms whatsoever about letting people buy any guild advancement, mages, fighters, thieves, DB, psijic... same mechanic like the skyshards thing they have been talking about (gotta have it on another character already), and please as overpaid at the motivs or namechange... I'm okay with that.
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes - should be available in crown storeDragneel1207 wrote: »why bother let them give u a alt for 10000 crowns
Ok. My wallets ready.0 -
LordTareq✭✭✭✭✭NoLet’s make the entire game purchaseable with crowns. Want to play a battleground? Pay 200 crowns and you automatically win a match, no need to be annoyed by your incompetent teammates no more! Need a monster set? 500 crowns so you don’t have to run a tedious dungeon but just get the loot mailed to you!
I do think however that reputation stuff like the psijic order, as well as mounts etc should just be account wide.Edited by LordTareq on March 30, 2019 10:22PM0 -
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✭✭NoThis is why I keep advocating for an Endgame(r) server.
Treat it like the PTS. Anyone with a fully leveled character can apply to move there. Once copied over they can make as many other max level characters as they like to participate in whatever content they like.
That way Live doesn't change for the rest of us, they don't have to relevel things, everyone can go about their separate lives happily.
And I do mean, separate. If "one and done" is how you approach overland in ESO then we are playing different games already. So why not make it official?2 -
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✭✭Yes - should be available in crown storeLove it how the community is totally fine with Skyshards but panically trying to draw a line after they've realized that ZoS wont stop monetizing Skill lines. Suck it up.1 -
Skwor✭✭✭✭✭
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You have no idea how easy it is to get a post deleted and to get a multi day ban on these forums.0 -
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You have no idea how easy it is to get a post deleted and to get a multi day ban on these forums.
I just had it now.... Its just strange. Before wasnt this serious. Sometimes its feel over reacted. Today i got my two post deleted because i asked something off topic in that award winning topic. 💩
Anyway. To stay on topic. If you guys watched stream tonight. They said first they make a conclusion on skyshard one. Then they decide about future.Edited by WeerW3ir on March 30, 2019 10:55PM0 -
david_m_18b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭NoIf poeple keep asking this I fear that ZOS will just continue to make painfully repetitive content in order to have you pay to pass it.
I mean what kind of game make you pay to actualy not having to play its content ?1 -
Skwor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NoMaking this post just so I can quote it later.
This is just the beginning, the flood gates are opening, ESO will be P2W and pay gated to the point of making everyone choke on it.
Want mount upgrades, but them off the crown store
Want all those craft traits, buy instant research in the crown store
Want more SP, buy them in the crown store
Want a skill line, buy it in the crown store
Need another 100 CP, buy it in the crown store
Want the vet weapon, buy it in the crown store
Want vet armor, buy it at the crown store
Want a level 50 max CP alt, buy it in the crown store
Need a 10% DPS boost for the hard mode boss, buy these shiny new DPS booster potions, they last for 30 minutes 10% all damage boost
Boss attack causing to much damage, buy this shiny new resistance potion in the crown store.
Keep checking off the list above, see how things are progressing now?!
This is just the start of micro transaction hell on this road called P2W.Edited by Skwor on March 31, 2019 1:26AM0 -
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✭✭OtherWhy would I want to pay for that if I already had to pay for Summerset to get Psijic in the first place?0 -
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✭✭✭NoWhy would I want to pay for that if I already had to pay for Summerset to get Psijic in the first place?
Because that is how micro transactions work, you create the game in such a way that you are STRONGLY coerced to buy the product.
This is done by creating content that frustrates you when you don't have the paid for item or content that teases you with potential then offers a quick solution over the very painful grind achievement path.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Otherdavid_m_18b16_ESO wrote: »If poeple keep asking this I fear that ZOS will just continue to make painfully repetitive content in order to have you pay to pass it.
I mean what kind of game make you pay to actualy not having to play its content ?
Elder Scrolls Blades.
It’s now in early access and they aren’t nickel and dime-ing. They are penny and ha’penny -ing.
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes - should be available in crown storeId rather have them make it less painfull but crown store why not
Anyway after building hype they will release it at crazy high price that is both insulting and going to make us angry at them in the end (we call it the outfit slots experience)0 -
mayasunrising✭✭✭✭✭NoMaybe we should have pre-made characters in the crown store too? That'd be awesome. Just push the P2W button! Yay! SMH. This is exactly why I was against opening up sky-shards for alts in the crown store. It sets precedent that can quickly move this game to p2w.
And personally, I just don't get it. I WANT to have adventures with the characters I create. I want to work to see them grow. If I feel a grind is just to tedious, then I go level them in other ways. Yes, the psijic quest line is pretty grindy in and of itself, but what i did was combine it with doing area story lines, and sky-shard hunting in those area, and public dungeons, so I wasn't just running around mindlessly looking for rifts. In the end I had a lot of fun, made some friends, came out nearly fully leveled, and had a ton of skill points - and the psijic skill line to boot.
For me the easy button approach takes away the majority of the charm of persistent world games. If you're THAT casual of a gamer, maybe you need to find a new game that matches your life-style like an idle/clicker game. But why must mmorpgs become mindless as well?Edited by mayasunrising on March 31, 2019 6:38AM"And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom." ♥ Anaïs Nin
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Kambo✭✭✭NoAbsolutely not. I'm not a fan of the Skyshards unlock being added, but it wouldn't be nearly as lazy and terrible as adding literal skill line unlocks for purchase from the crown store.
Just go play the questlines again. Psijic Order takes a couple hours at most, which realistically isn't that much time at all to unlock an entire skill line.
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