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Congrats ZOS for winning the GLAAD Media Award for Outstanding Video Game! 🏳️🌈
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https://www.escapistmagazine.com/v2/2019/03/28/the-elder-scrolls-earns-glaads-first-ever-outstanding-game-award/
GLAAD awards have been around for a while but this is the first year they added a category for video games. Very well deserved ❤️
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✭✭✭✭✭I've really enjoying the very casual way LBGQ and now T characters and stories have been brought into the TES universe, first through gameplay marriage and backstory in Skyrim and now through quests in ESO. ZOS has treated inclusion well - its simply a fact of life in Tamriel that LGBTQ people exist and live a normal life like everyone else.
The story of the two Bosmer husbands in Greenshade remains one of my favorite quests in the game.Edited by VaranisArano on March 29, 2019 7:46PM58 -
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The award is for tasteful inclusion. In eso it isn't "Hello, I'm gay and my name is x", it's "Hello, my name is x", followed by a little time spent getting to know X, and eventually meeting their same sex spouse.
ESO got an award for literally doing what you think would get people accepted faster, normalizing (specifically in this game the LGB part of the acronym) people who just want to live their lives.
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perogwin_ESO✭✭✭DocFrost72 wrote: »ESO got an award for literally doing what you think would get people accepted faster, normalizing (specifically in this game the LGB part of the acronym) people who just want to live their lives.
Doc did you run all of Summerset yet? The T is now included also in the game and in a pretty spectacular story way.
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✭✭✭✭perogwin_ESO wrote: »DocFrost72 wrote: »ESO got an award for literally doing what you think would get people accepted faster, normalizing (specifically in this game the LGB part of the acronym) people who just want to live their lives.
Doc did you run all of Summerset yet? The T is now included also in the game and in a pretty spectacular story way.
I actually haven't, truth be told. I'd imagine being trans is a lot less "intensive" and a lot more thorough in a world where magic exists, so that's neat they added it.1 -
perogwin_ESO✭✭✭DocFrost72 wrote: »
I actually haven't, truth be told. I'd imagine being trans is a lot less "intensive" and a lot more thorough in a world where magic exists, so that's neat they added it.
Make sure to run the House of Reverie Story Arc in the town of Rellenthil on Summerset, it was really well done!
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✭✭✭✭✭perogwin_ESO wrote: »DocFrost72 wrote: »ESO got an award for literally doing what you think would get people accepted faster, normalizing (specifically in this game the LGB part of the acronym) people who just want to live their lives.
Doc did you run all of Summerset yet? The T is now included also in the game and in a pretty spectacular story way.
That quest did it well.I loved that the main conflict wasn't actually the gender change at all but rather whether the sister would let her sibling follow her own dreams to be an actor instead the studies the sister wanted her to be doing.
Its just a basic sibling conflict, where one of the characters happens to be transgender.Edited by VaranisArano on March 29, 2019 8:01PM15 -
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✭I don't need "representation" in a video game. If it makes sense to the story then toss it in, that's fine. But don't shove it down anyone's throat in an obvious SJW PC move because all that does is irritate most everyone, even ME.
As for the award, way to go ESO!!! *claps* Well deserved.The purpose of art is washing the dust of daily life off our souls. ~Pablo Picasso16 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Quite frankly, anything that increases people's knowledge of ESO is good.
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✭what does it mean? what is an unfriendly game then? is it a game where you should crash kill and destroy npc which are gays? i dont know any game with such a plot. do you know?4 -
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✭oxygen_thief wrote: »what does it mean? what is an unfriendly game then? is it a game where you should crash kill and destroy npc which are gays? i dont know any game with such a plot. do you know?
Angry Goy comes to mind. There's actually been quite a few. While they're not mainstream, they do certainly exist.Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!2 -
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Myrkgrav✭✭✭✭Anyway thankful every day to be gay, trans and for my LGBT siblings around the world
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✭✭✭✭✭Representation is vital for celebrating cultural diversity. Elder Scrolls Online has been good at this from the get go. A well deserved accolade that hopefully, in a generation, will become unnecessary because good representation of diverse groups is the norm.6 -
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This, add that TES has larger issues like multiple species, the end of the thief guild was very nice.Wildberryjack wrote: »I don't need "representation" in a video game. If it makes sense to the story then toss it in, that's fine. But don't shove it down anyone's throat in an obvious SJW PC move because all that does is irritate most everyone, even ME.
As for the award, way to go ESO!!! *claps* Well deserved.
The Khajiit lady who thought she was forced away as he misunderstood the chance to run from slavery.
The villain lady who had Argonian boys as pets earlier.
All done extremely well.
Seen earlier to, like in Skyrim the guy who wanted an Orcis girlfriend.
It can go from very sad like the two old Bosmers to jokes like
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.8 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Surprised this thread is still open.
The best way for people to be accepted as normal is for them to be treated as normal. I can understand why interests groups want to promote their exposure in media though. The most effective way for people to accept something is for them to become accustomed to it. But I also understand the flip side of the argument because I don't see organizations handing out awards for heterosexual representation either. So both sides make good points.
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This, add that TES has larger issues like multiple species, the end of the thief guild was very nice.Wildberryjack wrote: »I don't need "representation" in a video game. If it makes sense to the story then toss it in, that's fine. But don't shove it down anyone's throat in an obvious SJW PC move because all that does is irritate most everyone, even ME.
As for the award, way to go ESO!!! *claps* Well deserved.
The Khajiit lady who thought she was forced away as he misunderstood the chance to run from slavery.
The villain lady who had Argonian boys as pets earlier.
All done extremely well.
Seen earlier to, like in Skyrim the guy who wanted an Orcis girlfriend.
It can go from very sad like the two old Bosmers to jokes like
HAHAHAHA. The dead skeever. That one always gets me. FREAKING CATS. "I like you, so I brought you this dead thing."Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!3 -
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✭✭✭I love that ESO treats any sexuality as completely normal, without making a big thing of it. People are who they are and that's all normal.
The two bosmer guys quest is one of my favourites too.RIP Atherton, my beautiful little gentle friend. I will miss you forever. Without you I am a hollow shell.12 -
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✭✭✭I think it is neat that Zos got this award and it can be a positive influence on the community. Nice job~!!
I do my best to make sure everyone has a wonderful time in our guilds and reading some of these comments I will make sure to continue to do that. Especially, as a lesbian woman myself.Edited by Girl_Number8 on March 29, 2019 9:11PM3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Surprised this thread is still open.
The best way for people to be accepted as normal is for them to be treated as normal. I can understand why interests groups want to promote their exposure in media though. The most effective way for people to accept something is for them to become accustomed to it. But I also understand the flip side of the argument because I don't see organizations handing out awards for heterosexual representation either. So both sides make good points.
What flip side? For better or for worse, the vast majority of video game characters are heterosexual. The vast majority of love stories in video games are heterosexual. Heterosexuality is more or less treated as the norm, with LGBTQ stories either getting "extra" categories or left out entirely.
Anyone complaining that LGBTQ are getting "extra" or "special" treatment because they have their own category for awards is willfully ignoring that the previous history was one of not being included at all. It wasnt a matter of not having awards - more like not even having their stories told, which is far worse.28 -
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✭perogwin_ESO wrote: »DocFrost72 wrote: »
I actually haven't, truth be told. I'd imagine being trans is a lot less "intensive" and a lot more thorough in a world where magic exists, so that's neat they added it.
Make sure to run the House of Reverie Story Arc in the town of Rellenthil on Summerset, it was really well done!
This quest was one of my favorites. The NPCs life choices were intriguing and felt real. I hope we get to see this character again soon!2 -
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✭✭Nice one ESO and Zeni, nice one.So they raised the floor and lowered the ceiling. Except the ceiling has spikes in it now and the floor is also lava.0 -
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Yes, note she probably was the blacksmith in an one horse town in Elsweyr or Alik'rFleetwoodSmack wrote: »
This, add that TES has larger issues like multiple species, the end of the thief guild was very nice.Wildberryjack wrote: »I don't need "representation" in a video game. If it makes sense to the story then toss it in, that's fine. But don't shove it down anyone's throat in an obvious SJW PC move because all that does is irritate most everyone, even ME.
As for the award, way to go ESO!!! *claps* Well deserved.
The Khajiit lady who thought she was forced away as he misunderstood the chance to run from slavery.
The villain lady who had Argonian boys as pets earlier.
All done extremely well.
Seen earlier to, like in Skyrim the guy who wanted an Orcis girlfriend.
It can go from very sad like the two old Bosmers to jokes like
HAHAHAHA. The dead skeever. That one always gets me. FREAKING CATS. "I like you, so I brought you this dead thing."
its still just funny.
Plenty of real world stuff is not, and it not something you simply burn like ISIL.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
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perogwin_ESO✭✭✭Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »This quest was one of my favorites. The NPCs life choices were intriguing and felt real. I hope we get to see this character again soon!
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✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Surprised this thread is still open.
The best way for people to be accepted as normal is for them to be treated as normal. I can understand why interests groups want to promote their exposure in media though. The most effective way for people to accept something is for them to become accustomed to it. But I also understand the flip side of the argument because I don't see organizations handing out awards for heterosexual representation either. So both sides make good points.
What flip side? For better or for worse, the vast majority of video game characters are heterosexual. The vast majority of love stories in video games are heterosexual. Heterosexuality is more or less treated as the norm, with LGBTQ stories either getting "extra" categories or left out entirely.
Anyone complaining that LGBTQ are getting "extra" or "special" treatment because they have their own category for awards is willfully ignoring that the previous history was one of not being included at all. It wasnt a matter of not having awards - more like not even having their stories told, which is far worse.
The flip side is they are not being treated normally - which runs counter to the goal of them being seen as normal.
I understand the historical context - and I alluded to that in my comment. But it doesn't change the underlying point the posters in opposition made. Both sides have good arguments and I'm not too politically correct to admit it.
The ideal outcome here is for homosexuals to be treated the same as heterosexuals. No special awards for either. But until complete parity is achieved, I can understand why interest groups want to promote their exposure in the media so society will become more accustomed to it. And that is basically what I said in my comment.Edited by Jeremy on March 29, 2019 9:51PM6 -
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Slightly off topic, but allow me to offer a reasonable viewpoint that (it seems) does not align with your own.
I would personally subscribe to the idea that every person wants to be accepted. I'm 100% for tolerance.
However,
>Some< within the LGBT+ community give off the impression that they are different or exceptional for their sexuality, identity, or nonconformance to traditional gender roles (Me personally: Power to them). It is hard to convincingly argue that one should be accepted as "normal" while simultaneously expressing as much difference from the norm as they can to intentionally display their unique identity.
The argument is NOT that the LGBT community shouldn't be accepted. They should be. The argument is some subsections of the community and some aspects of it make that mission complicated. It is not anti-LGBT for me to say I dislike people that make their *entire identity as a person* "a member of the LBGT+ community". It is simply that that person is one dimensional. People are people, and we should treat everyone as people. Even part of the LBGT+ acronym includes the word "ally" (as of my teaching of the acronym). Allies are inherently "others" that work with the "us" to solve a common problem. That seems to be discussing an emphasized separation where none should exist.
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perogwin_ESO✭✭✭DocFrost72 wrote: »@VaranisArano
Slightly off topic, but allow me to offer a reasonable viewpoint that (it seems) does not align with your own.
I would personally subscribe to the idea that every person wants to be accepted. I'm 100% for tolerance.
However,
>Some< within the LGBT+ community give off the impression that they are different or exceptional for their sexuality, identity, or nonconformance to traditional gender roles (Me personally: Power to them). It is hard to convincingly argue that one should be accepted as "normal" while simultaneously expressing as much difference from the norm as they can to intentionally display their unique identity.
The argument is NOT that the LGBT community shouldn't be accepted. They should be. The argument is some subsections of the community and some aspects of it make that mission complicated. It is not anti-LGBT for me to say I dislike people that make their *entire identity as a person* "a member of the LBGT+ community". It is simply that that person is one dimensional. People are people, and we should treat everyone as people. Even part of the LBGT+ acronym includes the word "ally" (as of my teaching of the acronym). Allies are inherently "others" that work with the "us" to solve a common problem. That seems to be discussing an emphasized separation where none should exist.
Talking it out is the best way to solve ignorance, btw.
Actually this is very valid and I appreciate you saying it. I came out to my family and friends when I was 16 and to everyone else at 18, I am now 48 years old. The world itself was very different when I first came out, thank god the generations that came after me all seem to have had an easier time of it over all. Things like Pflag and GSAs did not actively exist in my youth, so I am very grateful they have become more prevalent to help those that came after. That being said I, It does sadden me at some of the attitudes that exist in the Modern LGBT Society, yes we have a long way to go even though we are far ahead of where we were in my youth. Unfortunately some of the more...shall we say...militant factions with in the community...do not realize that they are actually making things worse when all they want to do is make things better. It isn't really their fault because they don't actively get to learn about the history of the movement unless they take it upon themselves to learn, and honestly most in these modern times don't, if they really understood all that came before I think their way of seeking the end goals might be a little less over the top.Edited by perogwin_ESO on March 29, 2019 10:04PM8 -
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✭✭✭✭✭DocFrost72 wrote: »@VaranisArano
Slightly off topic, but allow me to offer a reasonable viewpoint that (it seems) does not align with your own.
I would personally subscribe to the idea that every person wants to be accepted. I'm 100% for tolerance.
However,
>Some< within the LGBT+ community give off the impression that they are different or exceptional for their sexuality, identity, or nonconformance to traditional gender roles (Me personally: Power to them). It is hard to convincingly argue that one should be accepted as "normal" while simultaneously expressing as much difference from the norm as they can to intentionally display their unique identity.
The argument is NOT that the LGBT community shouldn't be accepted. They should be. The argument is some subsections of the community and some aspects of it make that mission complicated. It is not anti-LGBT for me to say I dislike people that make their *entire identity as a person* "a member of the LBGT+ community". It is simply that that person is one dimensional. People are people, and we should treat everyone as people. Even part of the LBGT+ acronym includes the word "ally" (as of my teaching of the acronym). Allies are inherently "others" that work with the "us" to solve a common problem. That seems to be discussing an emphasized separation where none should exist.
Talking it out is the best way to solve ignorance, btw.
That's a good point. People aren't defined by their sexual orientation anyway and that is just one very small part of who they are as individuals. It would be like giving out an award for having more people with green eyes in your game or dividing humanity up based on eye-color, which we don't do because we would think of it as absurd. The reality is it's equally absurd to do this sort of thing over sexual orientation. It just doesn't seem that way to many of us because we have been conditioned by society to believe it's a big deal when in reality it's not.
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