Magicka Nightblade Minor Berserk - The Endgame PvE Perspective

Oreyn_Bearclaw · March 2019

Vildebill wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

People seem to forget that MagDK has one of the hardest rotation as well with most dots running out at different times, with the seconds worst DPS after mag Warden. If some mag classes need love, it's those two. Get them on par with NB, Sorc and Templar.

on par is not enough sorry
als long as a stamblade can pull up to 10k more DPS its not worth bringing a magDK into a meelespot.

mag and stamDK need to bring something unique to the fight, a Tank DK cannot bring.

A Change to engulfing (maybe also Nox Breath) would help. let the %firedmg amplifier scale off magicka and SD, so a Tank cannot provide the full power of this debuff.
Switchting Nox breath to also boost poisondmg, or some other change, similar to my proposed engulfing change might help.

Now you're comparing apples and oranges, you just brought a stamina setup into the discussion, I was talking about magicka.

But to reply to that specific problem, if one single class in stamina outperforms all other classes's magicka and stamina specs, is the solution to come up with unique solutions for all other specs, or just nerf the single one overperforming?

I would argue that the magic/stamina distinction is really meaningless. The real distinction is ranged and melee. The fact the there are three magic classes on par for the two mini trials is because they do ranged damage. What possible difference does it make that it’s from magic?

So when you talk balancing a magic DK, a melee class, you have to compare them to other melee classes, which just happen to be dominated by stamina.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · March 2019

Wolfahm wrote: »

LMFAO OVER PREFORMING SINCE GAME LAUNCH!

Have you played this game?

Seriously. DK dominated just about every aspect of this game except trial healer for damn near two years after launch.

Although that said, there was the mageblade resto staff DPS meta for a little while there. Haha

First time I ever attempted to push score in this game, like 4 years ago, our AA group was 11 DKs and 1 Templar, and so was every other group atop the boards.

TheGreatBlackBear · March 2019

Nightblades are the only class that can weave light attacks during execute. A Templar channeling beams is not on par with a NB weaving impale or killer's blade. Don't be fooled

Wolfahm · March 2019

TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »

Nightblades are the only class that can weave light attacks during execute. A Templar channeling beams is not on par with a NB weaving impale or killer's blade. Don't be fooled

100% false, you may need to research your class better. Please don't spread false info you don't understand.

Wolfahm · March 2019

Half this games problem is the VOCAL MINORITIES TEARS pushing for nerfs of X Y Z cause they died in PvP or got out parses one time on a trial... Posting out of Emotion not on fact or real experience. The simple fact that some of you forum warrior professionals don't even know how classes are preforming on live while yelling for nerfs is proof enough. Parsing low on anything but a magDK means you need to L2P.

Even the Stam gap is not as big as it seems in PvE in a trial setting.

TheGreatBlackBear · March 2019

Prove me wrong. Post a video of you weaving while doing Jesus beams. @Wolfahm Impale and light attacks do more damage that the ticks of the Templar execute.

lassitershawn · March 2019

As a side note while mag DK and magden does need some love these classes are also highly viable on other roles (DK tanks, warden healers and tanks) and nightblade is absolutely awful at all roles other than DPS.

ecru wrote: »

Joker99 wrote: »

Matching or exceeding? Sorry what? They do decent dps but no, they will never exceed a nb in the current patch.

This is not true. Petsorc is out damaging magblade currently in trials.

I wouldn't really call it petsorc as it this a bit misleading to me. You slot matriarch yes but other than that the gameplay is exactly the same as caster sorc. 2x pet sorc/HA sorc isn't really very strong in AS/CR, idk about other raids but I doubt it is strong in HoF either.

Tasear wrote: »

It resloves so many issues by taking it away. It's not there's actually a lost as long as you bring 2 healers.

This isn't exactly true, combat prayer is hard to keep up on some fights, vAS +2 being a prime example. I'm not sure what PvE issues it resolves, none that I can think of. It is just an unnecessary nerf to magblades which are currently on-par with magsorcs and magplars (very rare that 3 mag classes are all doing very well and we should keep it this way). STAMblades may need a nerf however NB seems far more dominant on the stamina side. I would still argue against this and say other stam classes should be buffed to prevent mag from becoming dominant with the good stam class being neutered.

Runefang · March 2019

TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »

Prove me wrong. Post a video of you weaving while doing Jesus beams. @Wolfahm Impale and light attacks do more damage that the ticks of the Templar execute.

Stop. You're looking silly.

Elvsy · March 2019

I completely agree with what you’re saying Telvanni though all bases I can see have been covered in terms of playstyle and difficulty.

However

I have never been one to entertain or argue the ‘pay to win’ perspective especially in ESO. In saying this, why is it that Warden (a class you have to pay for) is the only class that would be keeping Minor Berserk? Even if they are weaker currently it really does start to seem more like a pay to win said buff scenario unless you want to put more pressure on your healers. Minor Toughness being moved to solely Wardens was one thing as you only need one Warden in the area to provide this to everyone with the likes of blood altar; but having Minor Berserk only accessible from your own source in a class behind a paywall is quite disheartening, especially for a game that has stayed away from pay to win scenarios for such a long time. Especially when it involves removing the buff from a class that has had it for so long only to have the purchasable one with access to it. If you want to change the metas around, removing a buff from another class is not the way to go.

Anyhow, that’s only touching base on the more ‘business’ side of the situaton. The combat side is a whole ‘nother story as highlighted by Telvanni.

Runefang · March 2019

Elvsy wrote: »

I completely agree with what you’re saying Telvanni though all bases I can see have been covered in terms of playstyle and difficulty.

However

I have never been one to entertain or argue the ‘pay to win’ perspective especially in ESO. In saying this, why is it that Warden (a class you have to pay for) is the only class that would be keeping Minor Berserk? Even if they are weaker currently it really does start to seem more like a pay to win said buff scenario unless you want to put more pressure on your healers. Minor Toughness being moved to solely Wardens was one thing as you only need one Warden in the area to provide this to everyone with the likes of blood altar; but having Minor Berserk only accessible from your own source in a class behind a paywall is quite disheartening, especially for a game that has stayed away from pay to win scenarios for such a long time. Especially when it involves removing the buff from a class that has had it for so long only to have the purchasable one with access to it. If you want to change the metas around, removing a buff from another class is not the way to go.

Anyhow, that’s only touching base on the more ‘business’ side of the situaton. The combat side is a whole ‘nother story as highlighted by Telvanni.

Having a class behind an entire expansion is not pay to win, it's called making money years after initial release.

TheGreatBlackBear · March 2019

Runefang wrote: »

TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »

Prove me wrong. Post a video of you weaving while doing Jesus beams. @Wolfahm Impale and light attacks do more damage that the ticks of the Templar execute.

Stop. You're looking silly.

Test it for yourself with with combat metrics and see what hits harder in execute. Channeling Jesus beam or LA and NB execute.

Vandril · March 2019

TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »

Prove me wrong.

Will do.

TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »

Nightblades are the only class that can weave light attacks during execute.

Sorcerers exist - Mage's Fury.

Consider yourself proven wrong.

In fact, Templar is the only class with an execute that can't weave during it.

TheGreatBlackBear · March 2019

Rip. I'll take that L. I completely forgot about sorc DPS.

templesus · March 2019

It’s a necessary change. No more 8 magblade vAS because they don’t have to wear slimecraw. Anyone who actually PvEd endgame understood the need for this change.

WrathOfInnos · March 2019

templesus wrote: »

It’s a necessary change. No more 8 magblade vAS because they don’t have to wear slimecraw. Anyone who actually PvEd endgame understood the need for this change.

The 8 magblade meta is already dead. Top score in vAS on PC/NA right now has only 2-3 Nightblades (I don’t recall exact group composition that pull, and leaderboard is bugged to not show everyone). That same group, Factotum, is now running 2 Nightblades (for Architect), 1-2 Templars, and 4-5 Sorcs.

Really no reason to nerf magblades at this point.

Dragneel1207 · March 2019

-_- where are magica DKs

WrathOfInnos · March 2019

Dragneel1207 wrote: »

-_- where are magica DKs

One is in front of St. Olms, and the other is running around with Llothis and Felms. XD

Tasear · March 2019

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

It resloves so many issues by taking it away. It's not there's actually a lost as long as you bring 2 healers.

The talk's about magblades. They're much more likely to stand outside Combat Prayer.

I see your point and support magables keeping it to some extent. The thing is that minor berseker should of never been on only certain dps. The devs based the dps comparsions off of trial parses after all. This put nightblades over the edge in situations where the healer didn't exist or became tank/healers far away from group.

So the decision helps healers and other class of dps.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · March 2019

just came here to say...feels gud to be a NB tank.

TeIvanni · March 2019

Tasear wrote: »

It resloves so many issues by taking it away. It's not there's actually a lost as long as you bring 2 healers.

Currently, if Templars or Sorcerers are receiving combat prayer they're hitting more dps than magblades.

And in situations where there is not combat prayer. They're fairly even. If not a little bit ahead of magblades.

blkjag · March 2019

Nerf father nerf. Please just buff other classes

ll_Rev · March 2019

templesus wrote: »

It’s a necessary change. No more 8 magblade vAS because they don’t have to wear slimecraw. Anyone who actually PvEd endgame understood the need for this change.

yeah you don't know anything lmao

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · March 2019

@templesus sry in that case il just whip the healer to CP better...still wont need to slimecraw...so please start doing some vet trials...normal ones are so easy.

templesus · March 2019

ll_Rev wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

It’s a necessary change. No more 8 magblade vAS because they don’t have to wear slimecraw. Anyone who actually PvEd endgame understood the need for this change.

yeah you don't know anything lmao

Yeah, right lmao

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

@templesus sry in that case il just whip the healer to CP better...still wont need to slimecraw...so please start doing some vet trials...normal ones are so easy.

Did you look at my Sig lmao? I’ve completed every vet trial in the game. I know what im talking about. Good luck having your healer CBP your whole group in vAS.