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The secret to 20k+ dps?

  • mocap
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    you can always look at heavy attack heavy proc builds (gear that proc damage (not bufs!) for you like Red Mountain). Test them on PTS first before grind/buy any gear !!
  • lassitershawn
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    dazee wrote: »
    Noctus wrote: »
    dazee wrote: »
    dogman wrote: »
    dazee wrote: »
    Nerf everything and buff skilllessness!

    Lowering the difference between the top players and bottom players is often a good thing. part of good game balance. it cant be TOO high or TOO low. has to be a balance.

    The top players should not be doing over 10 times the dps of the less skilled/knowledgable ones.

    Yes, they should. Doing below 20k is something clearly wrong with what you do, because everybody and their dog can pull 30k. Frankly, I don't understand how you can do below 20k on 500 CP.

    Give us more info, maybe we can help you then. Post your build and your class / spec.

    I can do well over 20k in groups with buffs, solo parses sustain is a huge issue.

    its l2p issue on ur side it isnt just weaving. its bufftracking which plays a big role and timing. i personally nailed weaving but didnt hit higher dps parses untill i managed my timings on the skills. buffs and debuffs are important.

    ur sustain issue comes from stacking to much magicka and spelldmg without any recovery. this is allright if the fight takes 1 min but in trials and harder dungeons u should have a reasonable ammount of recovery (or be good with heavy attack weaving). also use elemental drain it helps or have someone filling up ur magicka during parse like alcast does for example.

    and finally there is a huge difference between 500 and 810 cp. ull probably do 30 % more dps

    Is there a UI add on which makes just the buffs appear in a more coherent arrangement? Becuase the way ESO does it by default is impossible to track. and I like the default UI aside from that.

    Srendarr is phenomenal and very customizable. There are a ton of good buff tracker addons tho.
    William Thorne - EP Breton Sorcerer
    Astrid Winterborn - EP Breton Warden
    Erik Ironskin - EP Nord Dragonknight
    Venasa Viri - EP Dunmer Nightblade

    IR x8, GH x5, TTT x2
  • Orillion
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    The troll is strong in this one 🐙
  • Bone_Demon
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    Orillion wrote: »
    The noob* is strong in this one 🐙

    Here, i fixed that for you.

  • Oreyn_Bearclaw
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    Have you tried getting good? If that doesn’t work, I hear thoughts and prayers can also be effective.


    #baitthread
  • InvictusApollo
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    Srendarr is phenomenal and very customizable. There are a ton of good buff tracker addons tho.

    During my tests with MSI Afterburner I conlcuded that Srendar is more heavy on system performance than for example Auramastery. Unfortunately Auramastery is not very user friendly. It needs some learning but after that it might be the best addon for keeping track of buffs.

  • kind_hero
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    @dazee What do you want to get from this thread?

    I see you are just avoiding constructive discussion, by not answering to the simple questions that will help the community give you the help you say you need. 3 pages later you still haven't told us one class/build/gear setup/skills slotted
    [PC/EU] Tamriel Hero, Stormproof, Grand Master Crafter
  • Siohwenoeht
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    I've got poor reflexes, wireless controller on xb1, and "unique" builds and still hit 30k dps on the regular. So I'm unsure what op is getting at, unless it's a troll post...

    Therefore:
    ucXr5Hk

    Well apparently imgur doesn't make good links. It's a very funny meme about a bunny with a pancake on it's head...
    Edited by Siohwenoeht on March 27, 2019 7:56AM
    "It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard
  • dazee
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    To anyone who came here to troll my thread and sling thinly veiled insults, I introduce you to my middle finger.

    To anyone who came here genuinely trying to help, becuase 20k dps is NOT easy (if it was I'd have achieved it ages ago),
    I changed a few things in my build and now am hitting very close if not 20k, havent actually done a dummy parse since the last improvement but it seems a lot better. dropped the sorc execute too, figured out its awful outside pvp. took haunting curse instead.

    BTW those people who think 20k is sooo easy and have forgotten what it was like before they had all gold gear bis enchants and finely tuned builds? Seriously F off.
    Playing your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.
  • dazee
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    kind_hero wrote: »
    @dazee What do you want to get from this thread?

    I see you are just avoiding constructive discussion, by not answering to the simple questions that will help the community give you the help you say you need. 3 pages later you still haven't told us one class/build/gear setup/skills slotted

    I see a lot of trolls just coming here to sling insults at someone they believe to be "bad" at the game. they've forgotten what it was like to not play regularly for months and only come on every so often, and not know everything there is to know about gear sets and builds.

    So they can F off and post in a thread I dont even care about thanks to them.
    Playing your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.
  • zvavi
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    I remember when I was low CP and just got my gear (purple+golden weapons) I have straggled. I hit a dummy for hours. Hours. Until I managed to nail the rotation and weaving. At 18k I was satisfied. then around 400 CP I hit a wall(mainly because I passed the 300 CP threshold of more attributes) i was stuck on 24k. I swapped one of my skills to elemental drain, and managed to pull 28 consistently. Time has passed, I have improved, got vMA weapon and stood on 35k. Was not satisfied with it. So I began experimenting. At this point I was 600 cp, I managed to pull out 40k. Currently I pull 46k consistently without expensive potions (mainly because my main got buffed). This is the story of my main's DPS tests. I can probably pull better if I practice more, but in between practicing other characters, enjoying dlc dungeons, casually questing for skill points and real life, I don't have time for it, mostly I am not motivated to do it because I am pretty happy with where I stand.

    Thing is, get combat metrix add on(if you are on PC) it helps a lot of finding where you need to improve. As long as your light attack and skill use count doesn't come close to the time you spent in battle on the dummy (1 second = 1la+1skill, theoretically, 80% is good too!) You didn't hit your limit. Good luck, hope I motivated you.

    Edit: also please forgive those who did not understand you correctly, I didn't understand it either and have decided that it is more of a complain thread than please help me thread (I only commented about some wrong information someone provided).

    Remember! Good rotation that gives good DoT uptime! Don't be afraid to use trash potions if you lack resources! Every skill come with a light attack! And most important, practice, practice is the secret for high dps.

    Edit 3: also, if you have heavy attack in rotation, it is fine if skill and la(light attack) count is lower. Generally by 25% per heavy attack.
    Edited by zvavi on March 27, 2019 9:13AM
  • Koensol
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    dazee wrote: »
    kind_hero wrote: »
    @dazee What do you want to get from this thread?

    I see you are just avoiding constructive discussion, by not answering to the simple questions that will help the community give you the help you say you need. 3 pages later you still haven't told us one class/build/gear setup/skills slotted

    I see a lot of trolls just coming here to sling insults at someone they believe to be "bad" at the game. they've forgotten what it was like to not play regularly for months and only come on every so often, and not know everything there is to know about gear sets and builds.

    So they can F off and post in a thread I dont even care about thanks to them.
    The only one trolling is you. 1/10.
    If you cared even slightly about making this thread serious, you'd have posted your build/rotation on 1st page.
  • Papachico
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    BuildMan wrote: »
    Wanna know a secret?

    Molag Kena Helm
    Relequen chest
    Molag Kena arm cops
    Relequen belt
    Relequen gloves
    Relequen legs
    Relequen boots

    Blood moon Greatsword
    Blue Bloodmoon jewelry

    34k werewolf self buffed light attack parse.

    Best decision I’ve ever made. Also only gold piece was the Greatsword.

    must be fun spamming la's all day
  • Rontabs77
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    dazee wrote: »
    I've done everything the people in my guilds suggested, and have never broke 20k on a dummy. clearly dps is not easy even with 500+ CP. so whats the secret to actually doing high dps if doing everything I've been told to do isnt enough?

    Here @dazee , I hope it helps:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFOg7ax4Gjo
  • zvavi
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    Rontabs77 wrote: »
    dazee wrote: »
    I've done everything the people in my guilds suggested, and have never broke 20k on a dummy. clearly dps is not easy even with 500+ CP. so whats the secret to actually doing high dps if doing everything I've been told to do isnt enough?

    Here @dazee , I hope it helps:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFOg7ax4Gjo

    Outdated. Especially race choice.
  • Eweroun
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    @dazee we are at the 3th page of this discussion and you still didn't answer to the question that was already asked in one of the 1st replies...

    >>post your build<<

    no one will be able to help you without this information.
    After reading through all this and the way you avoid answering the people that want to help...

    ... I understand people start trolling
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    |former dd-"The Phoenix Reborn", former raidlead "Omnia Vincit /Playdead"|

    clears: vCrag HM - vMoL HM - vHoF HM - vAS HM (+2) - vCR+3 - vSS HM
  • disintegr8
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    The right gear, skills, food, pots and CP setup are essential. The rest is roto and practice plus the ability to light attack properly.

    Took me a while to reach 25k on my magsorc but practice got me to 30k. A new roto and about 5 practice runs on my stamblade took me to 37k real quick.

    My friend cannot hit 20k on any toon because of finger problems, lag and poor internet.
    Australian on PS4 NA server.
    Everyone's entitled to an opinion.
  • Sparr0w
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    Rotation... you can pull 30k at cp160 without a monster set...
    @Sparr0w so I get the notification
    Xbox (EU) - l Sparrow x | CP 810+
    DD: All Mag + Stam
    Heal: Templar | Sorc | NB | Warden | Necro
    Tank: NB | DK | Warden
    Completions: All HM's + TTT + IR + GH
    PC (EU) - Sparrxw | CP 810+
    DD: All Mag + Stam
    Heal: Templar | Sorc
    Tank: DK | NB
    Completions: All HM's + TTT + IR + GH + GS
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    Read you're a sorc, go breton honestly the spell damage from high elf isn't worth the hit in sustain.

    Use the matriarch (flying pet) then pair with daedric prey.

    Rotation is literally:
    la>Prey>swap
    la>Blockade>la>Liquid>swap
    la>ele weapon x5

    Swap an ele weapon for frags when it procs.

    You should easily achieve 30k with this, even using purple julianos (crafted) and purple mother's sorrow (deshaan).
    Edited by Sparr0w on March 27, 2019 10:52AM
    @Sparr0w so I get the notification
    Xbox (EU) - l Sparrow x | CP 810+
    DD: All Mag + Stam
    Heal: Templar | Sorc | NB | Warden | Necro
    Tank: NB | DK | Warden
    Completions: All HM's + TTT + IR + GH
    PC (EU) - Sparrxw | CP 810+
    DD: All Mag + Stam
    Heal: Templar | Sorc
    Tank: DK | NB
    Completions: All HM's + TTT + IR + GH + GS
  • Rontabs77
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    zvavi wrote: »
    Rontabs77 wrote: »
    dazee wrote: »
    I've done everything the people in my guilds suggested, and have never broke 20k on a dummy. clearly dps is not easy even with 500+ CP. so whats the secret to actually doing high dps if doing everything I've been told to do isnt enough?

    Here @dazee , I hope it helps:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFOg7ax4Gjo

    Outdated. Especially race choice.

    But the explanation of the logic in the video on how to deal damage is still relevant, regardless of class.
  • dazee
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    Thanks to everyone actually being helpful. I am not sure what people want from me when they ask me to post my build, what format do you even want? screenshots? a type out of what I use? sheesh at this point screw that and screw asking for help here after how some people have acted.
    Playing your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.
  • zvavi
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    dazee wrote: »
    Thanks to everyone actually being helpful. I am not sure what people want from me when they ask me to post my build, what format do you even want? screenshots? a type out of what I use? sheesh at this point screw that and screw asking for help here after how some people have acted.

    And exactly this attitude is the one that made people troll, and call you a troll. If you want help with the information provided, a lot of the posts said correct things. Helped a lot with the small amount of information you provided. Anyway I am done "chasing" someone to help him, so probably won't go back to this thread, good luck with your dps.
  • Sparr0w
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    dazee wrote: »
    Thanks to everyone actually being helpful. I am not sure what people want from me when they ask me to post my build, what format do you even want? screenshots? a type out of what I use? sheesh at this point screw that and screw asking for help here after how some people have acted.

    @dazee

    Like skills, gear, blue cp allocation & rotation.

    Example my magplar would be:
    MA Front bar
    Sorrow Body
    Zaan monster
    (5/1/1 all divines) //This refers to weights, I have 5 light, 1 medium, 1 heavy. All traited divines.

    Oppression, Ele, Shards, Inner, Barrage, Sweeps
    Blockade, Bane, Shield, Focus, Accel, Destro

    cp 810
    66 elf 56 ele 23 ero 9 staff 66 master 48 thaum

    Rotation: Shards>Blockade>Barrage>5x skills (other skills on cooldown).
    @Sparr0w so I get the notification
    Xbox (EU) - l Sparrow x | CP 810+
    DD: All Mag + Stam
    Heal: Templar | Sorc | NB | Warden | Necro
    Tank: NB | DK | Warden
    Completions: All HM's + TTT + IR + GH
    PC (EU) - Sparrxw | CP 810+
    DD: All Mag + Stam
    Heal: Templar | Sorc
    Tank: DK | NB
    Completions: All HM's + TTT + IR + GH + GS
  • Hati
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    Seeing how frustrating he is without doing 20k + dps just show how important is "animation cancelling", can't run from that huh?
    Time to start learning
    The one who hates.

  • mennotje999
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    The fact that you haven't posted any info about your gear setups, mundus stone, cp, skills, superstars and dps parses after people offered you help makes me think youre not here for help. Youre just looking for an excuse to make you feel better because you cant hit 20k dps. If you actually wanted to get better you wouldve done some research(alcast or T3hasiangod for example) and posted info about your setup on this thread.
  • kylewwefan
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    Not sure if the OP is a trolling. But there is quite some bad info in here still. The vast majority of players in this game are never gonna get more than 10k DPS IMO. And they’ll be just fine with that. But to get better DPS, you have to have some kind of rotation.

    You need to stand still and attack something. To death. I play both magic and Stam classes, and not super great at either.

    Every Stam class starts out exactly like this:

    Have an ultimate ready to start your test.

    Buff up. Food. Use Dubious Or Lava Foot Stomp. Weapon Power Potion, Class Buffs like relentless focus, Netch, Crit Surge, Restoring Focus, Flames of Oblivion.

    Then start with a light attack between each skill.

    Endless Hail, Caltrops, Rearming Trap, Poison Inject. Bar-swap

    Front bars change up a little, but are something generally like this:

    Rending Slashes, Class Ability and Or Spammable, Light Attack Weave

    Class ability may be something like Power of the Light, Sub Assault, Venom Claw

    Your spammable will be something like Crushing Weapon( Psijic Skill Line) Shrouded Daggers(Dual Wield Skill line), Surprise Attack, Biting Jabs, Cutting Dive.


    Magic Classes Start Like This

    Have an Ultimate Ready

    Buff Up: Spell Power Potion. Food; Witchmothers or Blue Food is usually enough. Merciless Resolve, Channeled Acceleration, Channeled Focus, Power Surge, Blue Netch, Flames of Oblivion etc.

    All magic classes replace their shield with Destruction Staff Skill: Elemental Drain for self testing. This should be applied before start and periodically through your test.

    Now To Start

    Light attack between each skill.

    Wall of Elements, Class Ability Damage over Time(DOT), Class Ability(Dot) Bar Swap

    Class Ability(Dot), Class Ability(Dot), Spammable/ Light Attack Weave.

    How to choose

    You’re trying to keep all the damage over time (DOT) skills constantly doing damage, so you’re bar swapping a lot. Some DOT’s are longer than others, some you want on front bar so it does a little more damage. It’s real intense DOT time management.

    Then you get to Spammable/ Light Attack Weave. Practically every magic class is better off using Psijic Skill line Elemental Weapon as their spammable. I know. It’s generic AF.

    Ultimate Usage

    Timing Ultimate is majorly important. DK May want to wait awhile using their Ult as a resource Management tool. NightBlade try to line theirs up with relentless procs and fresh Dot’s. Templar’s May start with Destro Ult and all the rest are Empowered Sweep. Warden Bear Ult is used on front bar when the timing fits right so it hits harder and keeps the rotation smooth.

    It all Adds Up

    Like I said, I’m not super great at anything; but I have a little understanding on how things are kind of supposed to work. This basic information could help you get to 20k DPS.

    There are many other things going on to affect your DPS. Like the Psijic Skills. You have to quest quest quest to get it all opened up. Mages Guild Skills. More wandering around. Undaunted=Big Dungeon Grind. Fighters Guild.

    Gear. Summerset Trials Gear is very strong, if you can use it right. If you’re messing up light attacks a lot, might be better with something else. Crafted gears are still very strong. With jewelry crafting now, and 2H weapons counting for 2 the options you have are quite a lot.

    Can’t say enough about passive skills. Armor passives and class passives are huge.

    Your Mundus choice should be Lover for Stam and Thief or Apprentice for magic.
  • Juhasow
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    dazee wrote: »
    To anyone who came here to troll my thread and sling thinly veiled insults, I introduce you to my middle finger.

    To anyone who came here genuinely trying to help, becuase 20k dps is NOT easy (if it was I'd have achieved it ages ago),
    I changed a few things in my build and now am hitting very close if not 20k, havent actually done a dummy parse since the last improvement but it seems a lot better. dropped the sorc execute too, figured out its awful outside pvp. took haunting curse instead.

    BTW those people who think 20k is sooo easy and have forgotten what it was like before they had all gold gear bis enchants and finely tuned builds? Seriously F off.

    Actually by not saying what You're playing on and not giving any details about Your setup up to 3rd page of that thread You're introducing everyone who would want to help You to Your middle finger. People cant help You if they dont know what help You need and You just briefly mentioned on 3rd page something that may suggest You're playing magsorc.

    Also here You have parse from character I spend 500 CP and I was wearing full purple gear and enchantments except the staves both sets were easily to farm/get (mother sorrow+ burning spellwave and could be replaced with many others easily obtainable sets (julianos , necropotence , mechanical acuity etc) plus I was not using any light attack weaving and I was just heavy attacking here and there for resources. Yes I claim that 20k is easily achievable for 500 CP character and nothing fancy is needed for that except of littl practice. I did not forgot how it is to play low CP not geared character since I have 2nd account where I have low CP and not geared characters which I also play on.

    Here is the parse. 170 CP in blue tree , mother sorrow+burning spellwave+ilambris. Purple armor , purple jewelery , purple enchantments except of monster set (on PTS it's gold already) and weapons (it costs like 40k gold go make 2 golden staves). No weaving , no animation cancelling nothing really fancy. The secret is to use eyes and brain and practice a little instead of complaining.MUZdzLE.png
    Edited by Juhasow on March 27, 2019 4:16PM
  • DocFrost72
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    @dazee Benefit of the doubt, what class do you play, and do you play stamina or magicka? Very easy questions to start us off, no need to write a paragraph.
  • luccerton
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    @dazee if you are serious, just let us know what build you are using. I am at 430 CP and I sustain 39-40k all the time. Without any animation cancelling or weaving I still can give you multiple build that can hit 30-35k dps. So just let us know :) ignore the trolls and atleast talk to the people that are trying to help you.
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    https://youtube.com/channel/UC5o2wbJtblWL3v5FRaoiNkA?view_as=subscriber
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