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Breton should have at least some max stamina
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Just check my YouTube channel out I’m pvper my Breton is stronger thn an army of Redguards 💪
Shalidor also made a bid for more power and lost an island to Sheogorath for essentially nothing, so he isn't exactly the brightest of all the mages as well.So? Shalidor was a nord mage and yet most nords have no clue how magic works at all.
Exactly. It would take far more training for a Breton to reach the same level of combat prowess as an average Redguard.A Breton can train their whole life to be like the hero in the trailer, but a Redguard with the same lifestyle and talent will see their efforts come to fruition sooner and has a higher maximum potential to reach.
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God forbid people should want to be able to roleplay characters in a mmoRPG!
The point was, the racials don't really matter then....
Guess we all agree then.. nuke the damn racial passives..Drank Sinatra Sr - PvP Magblade - DC
Juggathot - PvP Mag Sorc - DC
Jedi Mind Crits - PvP A-Hole Bowblade - DC
Dollar Store Thor - PvP Stamplar - DC
The Bone Sumpremacy - baby Stamcro - DC
Wârden Freeman - PvP Stamden - DC (on hold)
Lauryn Heal - PvE Magplar DPS - DC
Lil Orc Chop - PvP Stam Sorc - EP
Hamuel L Jackson - PvE DPS & PvP Stam DK - EP
Chandler Bling - PvP Magden - EP
Mahalia Lightborn - exiled crafting toon - cos you know, she's AD1 -
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That or have a stam and magicka path for each race so the effect on gameplay is as minimal as possible. It's sad to be a race which has zero bonuses which benefit stamina with a character concept which has to use a sword or something.Playing your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.2 -
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If you nuke the racial passives then there is nothing differentiating the races from one another besides appearance. It would essentially be the same as ripping a part of racial history and culture from every single playable race, which just sounds like an awful option. None of them would be special or better for anything in any regard, which is simply not how it has ever been in a TES game or an MMO.
God forbid there need to be meaningful choices in an MMORPG.Edited by Kambo on March 25, 2019 1:41AM
PC USStraight out of Mo- uh, oh wait. Um... Ebonheart, I guess?
Characters:
Nathyrin Othrril - Dunmer Stamina Sorcerer
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That or have a stam and magicka path for each race so the effect on gameplay is as minimal as possible. It's sad to be a race which has zero bonuses which benefit stamina with a character concept which has to use a sword or something.
Or just play it that way. I've had a Breton Stamblade since day one. Okay, technically it took a bit before hybrids stopped being a thing.1 -
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✭✭starkerealm wrote: »
That or have a stam and magicka path for each race so the effect on gameplay is as minimal as possible. It's sad to be a race which has zero bonuses which benefit stamina with a character concept which has to use a sword or something.
Or just play it that way. I've had a Breton Stamblade since day one. Okay, technically it took a bit before hybrids stopped being a thing.
I want hybrids back. Make damage scale on total stats (excluding health)Playing your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.2 -
Kambo✭✭✭Deathlord92 wrote: »
Just check my YouTube channel out I’m pvper my Breton is stronger thn an army of Redguards 💪
Shalidor also made a bid for more power and lost an island to Sheogorath for essentially nothing, so he isn't exactly the brightest of all the mages as well.So? Shalidor was a nord mage and yet most nords have no clue how magic works at all.
Exactly. It would take far more training for a Breton to reach the same level of combat prowess as an average Redguard.A Breton can train their whole life to be like the hero in the trailer, but a Redguard with the same lifestyle and talent will see their efforts come to fruition sooner and has a higher maximum potential to reach.
You are helping to prove that you don't need to pick the best options possible to have fun and be an effective player. I salute you and hope I never end up facing your Stamblade, as I would most definitely get obliterated in an instant.
(Edit: I don't play on console, but the prospect of facing you in general is frightening.)
Edited by Kambo on March 25, 2019 1:37AM
PC USStraight out of Mo- uh, oh wait. Um... Ebonheart, I guess?
Characters:
Nathyrin Othrril - Dunmer Stamina Sorcerer
Niveth Othrril - Dunmer Stamina Dragonknight1 -
Kambo✭✭✭I want hybrids back. Make damage scale on total stats (excluding health)
I also would not mind hybrid builds making a comeback. I could mix the stamina and magicka strengths of Dunmer into one and use the magicka abilities that I found interesting, which were ineffective on my stamina build.
PC USStraight out of Mo- uh, oh wait. Um... Ebonheart, I guess?
Characters:
Nathyrin Othrril - Dunmer Stamina Sorcerer
Niveth Othrril - Dunmer Stamina Dragonknight0 -
Undefwun✭✭✭✭✭If you nuke the racial passives then there is nothing differentiating the races from one another besides appearance. It would essentially being the same as ripping a part of racial history and culture from every single playable race, which just sounds like an awful option. None of them would be special or better for anything in any regard, which is simply not how it has ever been in a TES game or an MMO.
God forbid there need to be meaningful choices in an MMORPG.
I personally agree.. but apparently we need to cater for every possible combination of race, class and play style being able to perform everything at the same level... or someone will come to the forums and make a whine thread about it...
Surprised no one has complained about argonian swim speed yet... and that their redguard was adopted by a family of frogs at birth and due to their upbringing should be able to match any argonian...Edited by Undefwun on March 25, 2019 1:40AMDrank Sinatra Sr - PvP Magblade - DC
Juggathot - PvP Mag Sorc - DC
Jedi Mind Crits - PvP A-Hole Bowblade - DC
Dollar Store Thor - PvP Stamplar - DC
The Bone Sumpremacy - baby Stamcro - DC
Wârden Freeman - PvP Stamden - DC (on hold)
Lauryn Heal - PvE Magplar DPS - DC
Lil Orc Chop - PvP Stam Sorc - EP
Hamuel L Jackson - PvE DPS & PvP Stam DK - EP
Chandler Bling - PvP Magden - EP
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✭✭✭✭✭Giving each race an affinity with particular skill lines, making them easier to learn and master as members of that race while not limiting the maximum attainable rank, would be a much better system in the long run. It would also enable lot more oddball and unique character concepts and builds to appear in game. But racial bonuses is a long standing trope of RPG mechanics, and a lot of people simply cannot look past them and see the bigger picture, so stuck with them we are.
@Hymzir I don't think the system of the single player games really works for an MMO. If the maximum potential was the same for each race (which is exactly what you suggest), then there are no "oddballs" anymore and there would be nothing unique about running a Redguard mag build from a gameplay perspective. Choice would not matter anymore and the system as a whole would lose depth. While that would be great for everyone who values both RPing and peak performance, I don't think theorycrafters and lore enthusiasts would like that all that much.
The best compromise is to make hybrid builds more viable and have "no bad races" regardless of build. Bretons right now are an interesting choice for Stamblades for example as they can cloak a lot better than any other race, as are Nord healers/dps with their increased ultimate generation and high resistances. We need more of these rather than making the system flat. Then the occasional oddballs, still has their reason for being and lives in a niche that can be quite entertaining and effective.
It works for the single player games, because there the player is the exception, not the rule and there is nobody else the player can be compared to other than NPCs that are inherently inferior anyway. While the single player will always be unique, in an MMO people look to stand out.
This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.2 -
ShellaSunshine✭✭✭You can play a stamina based Breton.
Choose sets with max stamina and stamina recovery.
I have an Orc healer that has the exact same stats as my Breton healer. You just have to find the right sets and use the right enchantments.Edited by ShellaSunshine on March 25, 2019 1:50AM1 -
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Thx for kind words m8 haha I like to share my Breton 1vxs because I know there’s others like myself who like to play a race tht may not fit there class I been a Breton stamblade since day 1 I never stop playing it but nothing wrong with asking zos for some love towards the idea of morphing racial passives 😊Deathlord92 wrote: »
Just check my YouTube channel out I’m pvper my Breton is stronger thn an army of Redguards 💪
Shalidor also made a bid for more power and lost an island to Sheogorath for essentially nothing, so he isn't exactly the brightest of all the mages as well.So? Shalidor was a nord mage and yet most nords have no clue how magic works at all.
Exactly. It would take far more training for a Breton to reach the same level of combat prowess as an average Redguard.A Breton can train their whole life to be like the hero in the trailer, but a Redguard with the same lifestyle and talent will see their efforts come to fruition sooner and has a higher maximum potential to reach.
You are helping to prove that you don't need to pick the best options possible to have fun and be an effective player. I salute you and hope I never end up facing your Stamblade, as I would most definitely get obliterated in an instant.
(Edit: I don't play on console, but the prospect of facing you in general is frightening.)
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✭Breton should have,
+Magicka cost reduction.
+Magicka recovery.
+Max magicka.
Altmer should have,
+Spell damage.
+Spell damage penetration.
+Max magicka.3 -
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I have played a Breton stamblade since day 1 and he is very strong but I feel like he should have maximum stamina at least as a passives or the option to morph racial passives as thy part nord 💪ShellaSunshine wrote: »You can play a stamina based Breton.
Choose sets with max stamina and stamina recovery.
I have an Orc healer that has the exact same stats as my Breton healer. You just have to find the right sets and use the right enchantments.
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✭Orc should have max magicka. Having max stam, health, weapon damage and speed isnt enough.3 -
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- EP - F - Melina Elinia - Dunmer Magicka Dragonknight - lvl 50
- EP - F - Sinnia Lavellan - Altmer Warden Healer - lvl 50
- EP - M - Follows-the-Arcane - Argonian Healer Sorcerer- lvl 50
- EP - F - Ashes-of-Arcane - Argonian Magicka Necromancer - lvl 50
- EP - M - Bolgrog the Sinh - Orc Stamina Dragonknight - lvl 50
- EP - F - Moonlight Maiden - Altmer Magicka Templar - lvl 50
- EP - F - Maxine Cauline - Breton Magicka Nightblade - lvl 50
- EP - M - Garrus Loridius - Imperial Stamina Templar - lvl 50
- EP - F - Jennifer Loridius - Imperial Necromancer tank - lvl 50
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✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »
yea why did you, that's pretty weird
anyway, was meant to be more of a joke. racial passives have always seemed more trouble than they're worth, but i'm not ignorant to the fact that "lore" and "what is in other elder scrolls games" is more important to zos and the majority of players rather than a simple solution to a problem
@VaranisAranoskingrad when zoscharacters:PC/NA but live in EU 150+ ping lyfe- EP - M - Strikes-with-Arcane - Argonian Stamina Sorc - lvl 50 - The Flawless Conqueror/Spirit Slayer
- EP - F - Melina Elinia - Dunmer Magicka Dragonknight - lvl 50
- EP - F - Sinnia Lavellan - Altmer Warden Healer - lvl 50
- EP - M - Follows-the-Arcane - Argonian Healer Sorcerer- lvl 50
- EP - F - Ashes-of-Arcane - Argonian Magicka Necromancer - lvl 50
- EP - M - Bolgrog the Sinh - Orc Stamina Dragonknight - lvl 50
- EP - F - Moonlight Maiden - Altmer Magicka Templar - lvl 50
- EP - F - Maxine Cauline - Breton Magicka Nightblade - lvl 50
- EP - M - Garrus Loridius - Imperial Stamina Templar - lvl 50
- EP - F - Jennifer Loridius - Imperial Necromancer tank - lvl 50
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✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »
yea why did you, that's pretty weird
anyway, was meant to be more of a joke. racial passives have always seemed more trouble than they're worth, but i'm not ignorant to the fact that "lore" and "what is in other elder scrolls games" is more important to zos and the majority of players rather than a simple solution to a problem
@VaranisArano
Yeah, ESO is in a weird place with racial passives because with the other TES games, they don't have an end-game or competitive content, so you easily out-level the benefits of your racial passives. And that's still true in ESO...if you stick to the traditional TES questing content and don't ever bother with groups or PVP.
So the TES lore fans insist there have to be racial passives, while the TES gameplay fans insist that racial passives shouldn't matter that much, and it all winds up a mess, IMO.0 -
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Jamdarius✭✭✭✭✭Deathlord92 wrote: »Just something tht been bugging me I like update 21 don’t get me wrong but I was hoping to be able to morph racial passives so bad
I was hoping we would instead get a tree for racial passives called ancestor blood which would allow us to tailor toon however we want it for any role so that magicka nords would not be so weak if u compare them to breton/altmers.
Lore is a lore but there were pwoerful wizards in every race despite them being stamina like shaman orcs/nordic magicians (Shalidor anyone?) or very good masters of the sword from typical magical race...1 -
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If you nuke the racial passives then there is nothing differentiating the races from one another besides appearance. It would essentially be the same as ripping a part of racial history and culture from every single playable race, which just sounds like an awful option. None of them would be special or better for anything in any regard, which is simply not how it has ever been in a TES game or an MMO.
God forbid there need to be meaningful choices in an MMORPG.
I am sorry but are u like totally forgetting you could make nord mage in all TES games? Sure he would be less powerful at beginning but than if you trained well enough he would become more OP than anything else you encounter... so your point is kinda invalid. Even on TESO trailer we got Breton hero, a race suited more for magic that is wielding a bow and sword at an amazing mastery... so yo uare saying it is wrong cause bretons all of them should be magicians ?1 -
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This is also a very good idea m8 and I agree Shalidor a master wizard he got there through great training proving nords can be strong wizards toDeathlord92 wrote: »Just something tht been bugging me I like update 21 don’t get me wrong but I was hoping to be able to morph racial passives so bad
I was hoping we would instead get a tree for racial passives called ancestor blood which would allow us to tailor toon however we want it for any role so that magicka nords would not be so weak if u compare them to breton/altmers.
Lore is a lore but there were pwoerful wizards in every race despite them being stamina like shaman orcs/nordic magicians (Shalidor anyone?) or very good masters of the sword from typical magical race...
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✭Deathlord92 wrote: »Breton is my favourite race in previous elder scrolls games I have always played a Breton assassin in eso stamblade Breton is part nord which means thy should have some max stamina look at khajit getting the max stats and recovery and dark elf my Breton wields swords daggers axes
Potatoes don't need stamina.0 -
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✭So over these threads...
I really don't understand the issue at all...
Races are just stats with a player model attached...
If you want to clear normal stuff and overland.. play whatever you like.
If you want to clear vet trials etc.. play a race that has the best passives for that playstyle and content...
OP sounds more like he is RPing not speed clearing vMoL HM anyway...
With all this damn whining they should just nuke the racial passives and be done with it...
I want the racial passives to be useful, not some BS fluff for minor flavour on the first 10 level (that last a total of 15-20 minutes) or no point in having them at all...
God forbid people should want to be able to roleplay characters in a mmoRPG!
I thought you couldn't RP in ESO. At least you can't RP once your above level 50 and want to succeed.
Has that changed?
I really, really want to play a Templar Assassin/Thief who only kills innocent bystanders and curses the Divines.
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✭✭Deathlord92 wrote: »
Personally, i wouldn't mind the magicka cost reduction depending on the class for buffs. Meh.Edited by D0PAMINE on March 25, 2019 9:08PM0 -
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Stamblade and magic passives do help trueDeathlord92 wrote: »
Personally, i wouldn't mind the magicka cost reduction depending on the class for buffs. Meh.
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