Breton should have at least some max stamina

Deathlord92

Breton is my favourite race in previous elder scrolls games I have always played a Breton assassin in eso stamblade Breton is part nord which means thy should have some max stamina look at khajit getting the max stats and recovery and dark elf my Breton wields swords daggers axes

Deathlord92

Just something tht been bugging me I like update 21 don’t get me wrong but I was hoping to be able to morph racial passives so bad

therift

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Breton is my favourite race in previous elder scrolls games. I have always played a Breton assassin in eso. stamblade. Breton is part nord,which means thy should have some max stamina. look at khajit, getting the max stats and recovery and dark elf. my Breton wields swords daggers axes.

I punctuated this mess to make it legible. No charge... this time.

I don't agree. There are Redguard, Orc, and Dunmer to choose from for improved stamina-build performance.

AcadianPaladin

My Bosmer magplar and Bosmer magsorc were not thrilled with the changes to their race either. They figured any change would be an improvement, right? Wrong. Lol.

Nerouyn

therift wrote: »

I don't agree. There are Redguard, Orc, and Dunmer to choose from for improved stamina-build performance.

No-one should have to play a particular race for bonuses like these. That's garbage.

StormeReigns

Wouldnt that make Bretons a little bit too well rounded?

Gear, Food buffs and Mundus stones are there for a reason.

SydneyGrey

If they gave Bretons stamina, then they'd take away some other quality/trait. Bretons are awesome right now. I don't want them to make them worse again.

therift

Nerouyn wrote: »

therift wrote: »

I don't agree. There are Redguard, Orc, and Dunmer to choose from for improved stamina-build performance.

No-one should have to play a particular race for bonuses like these. That's garbage.

Welcome to The Elder Scrolls. Racial bonuses have been part of the game for more than twenty years. You knew that before you started to play. You have no basis to describe it as 'garbage'.

dazee

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Breton is my favourite race in previous elder scrolls games I have always played a Breton assassin in eso stamblade Breton is part nord which means thy should have some max stamina look at khajit getting the max stats and recovery and dark elf my Breton wields swords daggers axes

I 100% agree, dunmer gets a passive for BOTH stam and magicka, this is not even close to fair since theyre the only race I know which gets that. Bretons certainly get nothing for stam. which is silly there are plenty of good breton warriors using melee weapons.

Alucardo

Nah, I think Breton is strong enough as is. With a bonus to stam they'd be over the top. I do wish they'd buff the stats on Khajiit a little though.

dazee

Alucardo wrote: »

Nah, I think Breton is strong enough as is. With a bonus to stam they'd be over the top. I do wish they'd buff the stats on Khajiit a little though.

But you only really ever build for magicka OR stam. all which would happen is breton would become a valid option for either.

Alucardo

dazee wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Nah, I think Breton is strong enough as is. With a bonus to stam they'd be over the top. I do wish they'd buff the stats on Khajiit a little though.

But you only really ever build for magicka OR stam. all which would happen is breton would become a valid option for either.

There's already Dark Elf if you want a hybrid option. I'd say Khajiit as well, but their passives are really lacking.

karekiz

This is a stealth nerf breton thread

Deathlord92

Nerouyn wrote: »

therift wrote: »

I don't agree. There are Redguard, Orc, and Dunmer to choose from for improved stamina-build performance.

No-one should have to play a particular race for bonuses like these. That's garbage.

Completely agree glad there’s others who feel the same

Deathlord92

therift wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Breton is my favourite race in previous elder scrolls games. I have always played a Breton assassin in eso. stamblade. Breton is part nord,which means thy should have some max stamina. look at khajit, getting the max stats and recovery and dark elf. my Breton wields swords daggers axes.

I punctuated this mess to make it legible. No charge... this time.

I don't agree. There are Redguard, Orc, and Dunmer to choose from for improved stamina-build performance.

I shouldn’t have to choose a particular race to do well that sucks I like Breton if we go into lore Breton has nord blood my Breton even looks Nordish I should get I choice to morph racial passives as should anyone tbh there wood elf mages nord mages in mage guild either way my Breton assassin not a mage

MLGProPlayer

You can have Altmer's stamina regen.

Silver_Strider

Lorewise, it makes little sense for Breton to have Stamina as they've always been a race with heavy emphasis on Magic, being both naturally talented in it and resistant to it. The former can easily be explained away from the Elven Blood that now courses thru them, while the resistance can only really have stemmed from the Nedic Blood. There's no real way to explain Stamina miraculously showing up on Breton's at all.

The closest you'll ever get to a Stamina "buff" on Breton is for all racial passives to be scrapped entirely so everyone is on equal footing.

Oberstein

Breton is my favorite race too, breton should have everything.

Deathlord92

Oberstein wrote: »

Breton is my favorite race too, breton should have everything.

Yes 🙂

Deathlord92

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Lorewise, it makes little sense for Breton to have Stamina as they've always been a race with heavy emphasis on Magic, being both naturally talented in it and resistant to it. The former can easily be explained away from the Elven Blood that now courses thru them, while the resistance can only really have stemmed from the Nedic Blood. There's no real way to explain Stamina miraculously showing up on Breton's at all.

The closest you'll ever get to a Stamina "buff" on Breton is for all racial passives to be scrapped entirely so everyone is on equal footing.

You see the Breton hero in the eso trailer right haha he didn’t use magic at all he was a warrior

Kambo

dazee wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Breton is my favourite race in previous elder scrolls games I have always played a Breton assassin in eso stamblade Breton is part nord which means thy should have some max stamina look at khajit getting the max stats and recovery and dark elf my Breton wields swords daggers axes

I 100% agree, dunmer gets a passive for BOTH stam and magicka, this is not even close to fair since theyre the only race I know which gets that. Bretons certainly get nothing for stam. which is silly there are plenty of good breton warriors using melee weapons.

Dunmer have always been known as a dynamic race. You can see this through many depictions of Dunmer being that of Mages and Thieves/Assassins. As a Dunmer player I always thought it was a bit unfair that they had more bonuses to magicka than they did to stamina, as they were always seen and built just as efficient in both fields. Now both are essentially equal, making Dunmer a great choice if you want to play either. They aren't the best for stamina or magicka, but they're still very good from my experience playing after the patch.

Bretons descended from Elves, likely Aldmer or Ayleids, as well as Nedes, which are essentially an ancient human race. They are the most magically adept human race in all the games, being fantastic Sorcerers, but they also seem to make great Knights as is evident by what we see in High Rock. However, I feel like Breton is actually the weakest human race when it comes to physical combat, as they have never actually had any bonuses relating at all to that specific field. It wouldn't make sense to give them stamina bonuses in ESO because they've never had anything like that.

That being said, I still played a Dunmer Stam DK before the changes to racial passives came around because I wanted to play as a Dunmer. The only things you're really missing out on by not going with a race and build combo that benefit from one another is some extra DPS if you're going with a damage build. They simply aren't as inherently efficient, but there are ways around that stuff. You won't be top of the charts at all, but you'll be at a respectable place. Most people only really need to worry about race choice when it comes to doing things like Trials and other top tier content, as those require a high average DPS count just to get accepted into a group in the first place. And if you're planning on doing Trials then you're most likely min-maxing already, in which case you would be stupid to have not picked a race that heavily reinforces your build choice.

So no, it's not "unfair" for Dunmer to finally have what they had always had in the lore and main series games. However, it would make no sense for Bretons to get similar treatment since they have never had anything that benefits them outside of magic besides Speech and Alchemy.

Silver_Strider

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Lorewise, it makes little sense for Breton to have Stamina as they've always been a race with heavy emphasis on Magic, being both naturally talented in it and resistant to it. The former can easily be explained away from the Elven Blood that now courses thru them, while the resistance can only really have stemmed from the Nedic Blood. There's no real way to explain Stamina miraculously showing up on Breton's at all.

The closest you'll ever get to a Stamina "buff" on Breton is for all racial passives to be scrapped entirely so everyone is on equal footing.

You see the Breton hero in the eso trailer right haha he didn’t use magic at all he was a warrior

Cinematic trailers are not lore. They showcased Redguard as Necromancers for Elsweyr but doesn't mean Redguard is suddenly a magic race.

Ratzkifal

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Lorewise, it makes little sense for Breton to have Stamina as they've always been a race with heavy emphasis on Magic, being both naturally talented in it and resistant to it. The former can easily be explained away from the Elven Blood that now courses thru them, while the resistance can only really have stemmed from the Nedic Blood. There's no real way to explain Stamina miraculously showing up on Breton's at all.

The closest you'll ever get to a Stamina "buff" on Breton is for all racial passives to be scrapped entirely so everyone is on equal footing.

You see the Breton hero in the eso trailer right haha he didn’t use magic at all he was a warrior

So? Shalidor was a nord mage and yet most nords have no clue how magic works at all.
It's baffeling how many people take the exception and proclaim it to be the new standard.
Bretons are Atmoran humans with elven ancestory mixed in, thus making them inherently more magical than Nords and to a lesser extend Imperials. They are more frail than regular humans and don't age as elves do (some sources even say they live even shorter - probably based on the fact that often animal crossbreeds IRL don't live as long on average as both their parent breeds). Bretons on average are intelligent and strong-willed, but they lack in endurance and agility.
A Breton can train their whole life to be like the hero in the trailer, but a Redguard with the same lifestyle and talent will see their efforts come to fruition sooner and has a higher maximum potential to reach.

Edit: Oh and btw, the Breton hero is the only one of the hero characters who died. That's what he gets for not chasing the meta! :P

Kambo

Ratzkifal wrote: »

So? Shalidor was a nord mage and yet most nords have no clue how magic works at all.

Shalidor also made a bid for more power and lost an island to Sheogorath for essentially nothing, so he isn't exactly the brightest of all the mages as well.

Ratzkifal wrote: »

A Breton can train their whole life to be like the hero in the trailer, but a Redguard with the same lifestyle and talent will see their efforts come to fruition sooner and has a higher maximum potential to reach.

Exactly. It would take far more training for a Breton to reach the same level of combat prowess as an average Redguard.

VaranisArano

Wrathstone - Bretons get full magicka passives, edging out Altmer as BIS magicka for any position needing good sustain, in large part because Altmer mages got a stamina regen passives.

"Bretons should have at least some max stamina"

Hymzir

therift wrote: »

Nerouyn wrote: »

therift wrote: »

I don't agree. There are Redguard, Orc, and Dunmer to choose from for improved stamina-build performance.

No-one should have to play a particular race for bonuses like these. That's garbage.

Welcome to The Elder Scrolls. Racial bonuses have been part of the game for more than twenty years. You knew that before you started to play. You have no basis to describe it as 'garbage'.

And in all the games that came before ESO, all those racial bonuses did was to make certain paths and vocations easier for members of particular races to follow, never did they dictate your maximum potential. While a Nord might find the role of sword swinging barbarian easier than one following the mystic arts, and an Altmer might find magic as natural as breathing, there was nothing preventing them from achieving greatness in other fields as well. The bonuses were minor and mostly leveled out at high levels. A character of any race could master any trade, as long as you were willing to put in the hard work and determination required.

Then came ESO, and now every race has only one path to follow, and going against it means permanently gimping yourself. So as far as ESO is considered, it really is more of a farewell to Elder Scroll traditions than anything else. But then again, the whole notion of "stamina and magicka based races" and the idea of magicka and stamina based abilities is utterly alien to pretty much every other Elder Scroll game. So it's actually quite fair to say that the whole game system of ESO is "garbage" when comparing it to what the previous Elder Scrolls have shown to be true about the way things work on Nirn.

Now having said that, I actually find the game system to be pretty nice in ESO. On a general level at least. There are some iffy bits involved and the balance is rubbish, but still better than what most "real" Elder Scrolls games offer. But limiting player choice and creativity with artificially imposed racial modifiers is not an aspect I enjoy in this game. All it does is encourage minmaxing and limits player freedom. It can also push people away from playing the game, when they realize that the game doesn't support their character concept, and that it actually penalizes you for coming up with unusual characters.

Giving each race an affinity with particular skill lines, making them easier to learn and master as members of that race while not limiting the maximum attainable rank, would be a much better system in the long run. It would also enable lot more oddball and unique character concepts and builds to appear in game. But racial bonuses is a long standing trope of RPG mechanics, and a lot of people simply cannot look past them and see the bigger picture, so stuck with them we are.

starkerealm

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Breton is part nord which means thy should have some max stamina

I think you're talking about Bretons as a race, and not yours in particular. In which case, no. Bretons were the result of Direnni Altmer interbreeding with Nedes.

If you mean your character is of mixed Nordic/Breton lineage, then, yeah, that's most of The Reach. But, at that point you can just put points in Stamina anyway. As the racial passives work now, you're not being punished for picking an off-spec race the way you would have been before Wrathstone.

dazee

Maybe we just need sub races with more options. Like Reachmen.

Deathlord92

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Lorewise, it makes little sense for Breton to have Stamina as they've always been a race with heavy emphasis on Magic, being both naturally talented in it and resistant to it. The former can easily be explained away from the Elven Blood that now courses thru them, while the resistance can only really have stemmed from the Nedic Blood. There's no real way to explain Stamina miraculously showing up on Breton's at all.

The closest you'll ever get to a Stamina "buff" on Breton is for all racial passives to be scrapped entirely so everyone is on equal footing.

You see the Breton hero in the eso trailer right haha he didn’t use magic at all he was a warrior

So? Shalidor was a nord mage and yet most nords have no clue how magic works at all.
It's baffeling how many people take the exception and proclaim it to be the new standard.
Bretons are Atmoran humans with elven ancestory mixed in, thus making them inherently more magical than Nords and to a lesser extend Imperials. They are more frail than regular humans and don't age as elves do (some sources even say they live even shorter - probably based on the fact that often animal crossbreeds IRL don't live as long on average as both their parent breeds). Bretons on average are intelligent and strong-willed, but they lack in endurance and agility.
A Breton can train their whole life to be like the hero in the trailer, but a Redguard with the same lifestyle and talent will see their efforts come to fruition sooner and has a higher maximum potential to reach.

Edit: Oh and btw, the Breton hero is the only one of the hero characters who died. That's what he gets for not chasing the meta! :P

Lmao damn it you got me there but he was still super awesome 😊

Undefwun

So over these threads...

I really don't understand the issue at all...
Races are just stats with a player model attached...

If you want to clear normal stuff and overland.. play whatever you like.
If you want to clear vet trials etc.. play a race that has the best passives for that playstyle and content...

OP sounds more like he is RPing not speed clearing vMoL HM anyway...

With all this damn whining they should just nuke the racial passives and be done with it...

I want the racial passives to be useful, not some BS fluff for minor flavour on the first 10 level (that last a total of 15-20 minutes) or no point in having them at all...

dazee

Undefwun wrote: »

So over these threads...

I really don't understand the issue at all...
Races are just stats with a player model attached...

If you want to clear normal stuff and overland.. play whatever you like.
If you want to clear vet trials etc.. play a race that has the best passives for that playstyle and content...

OP sounds more like he is RPing not speed clearing vMoL HM anyway...

With all this damn whining they should just nuke the racial passives and be done with it...

I want the racial passives to be useful, not some BS fluff for minor flavour on the first 10 level (that last a total of 15-20 minutes) or no point in having them at all...

God forbid people should want to be able to roleplay characters in a mmoRPG!