The secret to 20k+ dps?

JinMori · March 2019

dazee wrote: »

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Nerf everything and buff skilllessness!

Lowering the difference between the top players and bottom players is often a good thing. part of good game balance. it cant be TOO high or TOO low. has to be a balance.

The top players should not be doing over 10 times the dps of the less skilled/knowledgable ones.

You just outed yourself dude, you suck, and are envious of better players, so you want everything to be brought down to your level.

Look, if you do 20k dps, there are not 2 ways around it, you are doing something very wrong.

CassandraGemini · March 2019

Juhasow wrote: »

Ok at 1st I wasnt sure but now I am that this thread is a bait to start a discussion about how bad "animation cancelling" a.k.a light attack weaving is. Who dont belives me please just look at OP discussions history. He was complaining about use of light attacks between abilities and similar subjects multiple times with most obvious example here https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/416143/animation-cancelling-the-reason-i-dont-play-regularly-anymore/p1.
Also it's no coincidence OP is not giving any answers regarding his build and rotation and he's only responding kinda quickly on posts that are talking about light attack weaving with critique. He's not looking for help he's just looking for another opportunity to complain about LA weaving. Nice try @dazee nice try.

Just read through that other thread you linked and I think you might be right. The funny thing is how OP was complaining in that other discussion that weaving was an "exploit". Now, I have a really hard time calling something an exploit that shows up as a developer tip in the loading screens...

So, yeah, OP, why don't you just practice? I'm really not someone to look down on others just because they're not quite on the same level as me, but even I, as someone who came to ESO just a few months ago, has only relatively simple crafted gear and 320 cp can do 30k dps no problem. So you must be - objectively - doing something wrong. And if you'd actually go ahead and just post your build/skills/class/gear etc. we might be able to tell you what it is.

Noctus · March 2019

dazee wrote: »

I've done everything the people in my guilds suggested, and have never broke 20k on a dummy. clearly dps is not easy even with 500+ CP. so whats the secret to actually doing high dps if doing everything I've been told to do isnt enough?

my chrystal ball tells me ur magblade. congrats u have the most unforgiving dps class

. enjoy. bhaahahhahaa.

dazee · March 2019

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

dazee wrote: »

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Nerf everything and buff skilllessness!

Lowering the difference between the top players and bottom players is often a good thing. part of good game balance. it cant be TOO high or TOO low. has to be a balance.

The top players should not be doing over 10 times the dps of the less skilled/knowledgable ones.

Omg you get a medal, you get a medal. You know what everyone wins. Also I and many people don’t think that 100 cps that just started this game should do near the dps that 3 year old fully geared maxed out players should do unless they are way above average. Goes both ways.

I'm saying there is a threshold at which the dps of top players is too much compared to non top and when finding that threshhold we compare players of similar gear and builds. I'm referring to the difficulty of the whole animation cancelling attack weaving thing, especially with the lag ESO is famed for.

dazee · March 2019

dogman wrote: »

dazee wrote: »

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Nerf everything and buff skilllessness!

Lowering the difference between the top players and bottom players is often a good thing. part of good game balance. it cant be TOO high or TOO low. has to be a balance.

The top players should not be doing over 10 times the dps of the less skilled/knowledgable ones.

Yes, they should. Doing below 20k is something clearly wrong with what you do, because everybody and their dog can pull 30k. Frankly, I don't understand how you can do below 20k on 500 CP.

Give us more info, maybe we can help you then. Post your build and your class / spec.

I can do well over 20k in groups with buffs, solo parses sustain is a huge issue.

Noctus · March 2019

dazee wrote: »

dogman wrote: »

dazee wrote: »

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Nerf everything and buff skilllessness!

Lowering the difference between the top players and bottom players is often a good thing. part of good game balance. it cant be TOO high or TOO low. has to be a balance.

The top players should not be doing over 10 times the dps of the less skilled/knowledgable ones.

Yes, they should. Doing below 20k is something clearly wrong with what you do, because everybody and their dog can pull 30k. Frankly, I don't understand how you can do below 20k on 500 CP.

Give us more info, maybe we can help you then. Post your build and your class / spec.

I can do well over 20k in groups with buffs, solo parses sustain is a huge issue.

its l2p issue on ur side it isnt just weaving. its bufftracking which plays a big role and timing. i personally nailed weaving but didnt hit higher dps parses untill i managed my timings on the skills. buffs and debuffs are important.

ur sustain issue comes from stacking to much magicka and spelldmg without any recovery. this is allright if the fight takes 1 min but in trials and harder dungeons u should have a reasonable ammount of recovery (or be good with heavy attack weaving). also use elemental drain it helps or have someone filling up ur magicka during parse like alcast does for example.

and finally there is a huge difference between 500 and 810 cp. ull probably do 30 % more dps

dazee · March 2019

Noctus wrote: »

dazee wrote: »

dogman wrote: »

dazee wrote: »

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Nerf everything and buff skilllessness!

Lowering the difference between the top players and bottom players is often a good thing. part of good game balance. it cant be TOO high or TOO low. has to be a balance.

The top players should not be doing over 10 times the dps of the less skilled/knowledgable ones.

Yes, they should. Doing below 20k is something clearly wrong with what you do, because everybody and their dog can pull 30k. Frankly, I don't understand how you can do below 20k on 500 CP.

Give us more info, maybe we can help you then. Post your build and your class / spec.

I can do well over 20k in groups with buffs, solo parses sustain is a huge issue.

its l2p issue on ur side it isnt just weaving. its bufftracking which plays a big role and timing. i personally nailed weaving but didnt hit higher dps parses untill i managed my timings on the skills. buffs and debuffs are important.

ur sustain issue comes from stacking to much magicka and spelldmg without any recovery. this is allright if the fight takes 1 min but in trials and harder dungeons u should have a reasonable ammount of recovery (or be good with heavy attack weaving). also use elemental drain it helps or have someone filling up ur magicka during parse like alcast does for example.

and finally there is a huge difference between 500 and 810 cp. ull probably do 30 % more dps

Is there a UI add on which makes just the buffs appear in a more coherent arrangement? Becuase the way ESO does it by default is impossible to track. and I like the default UI aside from that.

russelmmendoza · March 2019

Seriously?

Your cp500, just get some gear from alcast's list.

You dont have to be good at weaving to pull off 20k dps.

I play at 250ping, I dont do weaving well, I just put light attack in between skills. I can always see my la land before my skills. Weaving is animation cancelling that la.

T3hasiangod · March 2019

ngl, 20k DPS is pretty easily obtainable these days. A one-bar petsorc build can pull 30k self-buffed on dummies easily at max CP. At 500 CP, you can definitely pull 25k easily on an identical build. On the stamina side of things, a werewolf has a brain-dead rotation and can very easily pull 50k+ in the right gear. Even in non-BIS gear, you can easily do over 30k.

Flameheart · March 2019

Juhasow wrote: »

Ok at 1st I wasnt sure but now I am that this thread is a bait to start a discussion about how bad "animation cancelling" a.k.a light attack weaving is. Who dont belives me please just look at OP discussions history. He was complaining about use of light attacks between abilities and similar subjects multiple times with most obvious example here https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/416143/animation-cancelling-the-reason-i-dont-play-regularly-anymore/p1.
Also it's no coincidence OP is not giving any answers regarding his build and rotation and he's only responding kinda quickly on posts that are talking about light attack weaving with critique. He's not looking for help he's just looking for another opportunity to complain about LA weaving. Nice try @dazee nice try.

Just my 2 cents:

Thank the Lord, that by introducing animation cancelling (which isn't actually a new feature in MMOs) Zenimax invented by chance one of the best competitive combat systems ever seen in a MMO.

Btw, by just doing clunky LAs + skillattacks while not always hitting or not always perfectly hitting the small time windows in skill execution which actually result into a skill animation decrease (aka animation cancelling), your dps should be around 25k to 30k or even a bit more and this may not be enough for the leaderboards but enough to beat any content.

Actually nobody is pissed in a 4-man-group when you add 25k single target dps in encounters where you can do that because not much moving around etc. - let that be even buffed for my sake - to the group dps. When I played tank I encountered people where I did 30% group dps as a full support tank and - yes - then I get pissed, because I find it unbelievable how someone can do such low dps so that my ultireg build and my warhorns go just poof for nothing...

kyle.wilson · March 2019

dazee wrote: »

dogman wrote: »

dazee wrote: »

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Nerf everything and buff skilllessness!

Lowering the difference between the top players and bottom players is often a good thing. part of good game balance. it cant be TOO high or TOO low. has to be a balance.

The top players should not be doing over 10 times the dps of the less skilled/knowledgable ones.

Yes, they should. Doing below 20k is something clearly wrong with what you do, because everybody and their dog can pull 30k. Frankly, I don't understand how you can do below 20k on 500 CP.

Give us more info, maybe we can help you then. Post your build and your class / spec.

I can do well over 20k in groups with buffs, solo parses sustain is a huge issue.

Unfortunatley the best advice is to change you build and learn a proper rotation. Its quite easy to hit mid-high dps with even minimal practice. But, if you want to play ESO your way like an ES game. You're not going to get anywhere close to respectable dps.

We can't give specific advice on gear/skills/cp without more info.

Alcast offers builds that if followed to a T, will get you into the 30's. That is for PVE.

aetherial_heavenn · March 2019

Like many Oceanic / SE-Asian players my ping has gone from 260ms to 360ms in the last year, due to akamai routing. See 2 threads of 16 plus pages on this issue on front page. ZOS has never responded to the akamai issue. Basic combat Add ons etc have zero affect on it. So I am stuffed for LA weaving. Alcast's builds are useless for people like me. SO.....

My friend and I made a heavy attack single bar sorc build with a 4 skill rotation ie, 1. 2. 3. 4 heavy attack, heavy attack, rinse repeat if needed. My friend who is excellent DPS got 30k consistently on the PTS with it so I tried it out.

I pulled 20k consistently on first 3 parses on the 3 mill dummy with no light attacks.

And I am bad at timing and have never dpsed in this game. The gear is easily available. So 20K does not even rely on light attacks.

I will never dps in vet DLC dungeons or trials with those numbers but it means I can bring a decent dps to the table now along side my healers.

So, OP post your build or at least nominate a class.

Can we fix it? yes we can.

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HappyLittleTree · March 2019

light attacking.

for 20k there is no real secret

Vyvrhel · March 2019

dazee wrote: »

I've done everything the people in my guilds suggested, and have never broke 20k on a dummy. clearly dps is not easy even with 500+ CP. so whats the secret to actually doing high dps if doing everything I've been told to do isnt enough?

It can also depend on your connection quality. Not necessarily on ping. Also consider practicing on PTS, where you can easily experiment with builds and gear. If I did that earlier I would not waste all that money on useless stuff.

dmvab · March 2019

He's a troll lol don't be fooled guys

Juhasow · March 2019

Just wanted to leave it here. Nord stamsorc CP 243 , VO+briareheart+veli group buffed 50k DPS. Very easy rotation. And if You think @dazee light attacks are what makes DPS insanely high well You can substract that 7k DPS of light attacks from parse and You'll still be left with over 40k.

If You have 500+ CP and any decent gear then it's totally on You if Your DPS is so low. So I would suggest You to stop complaining and looking for excuses and instead start practicing.

Bladerunner1 · March 2019

The first time I broke 35k DPS on my archer I had on Torug's Pact medium armor, this was before I had a complete set of Relequen. Give it a try, it makes up for an inconsistent rotation that misses a lot of light attacks and skills by pumping out a boatload of free glyph damage.

Place a poison glyph on the back bar infused bow, disease glyph on the front bar infused bow. Use any other set of your liking, like Hundings/Leviathan/Tzogvin's.

The main skills to use are endless hail on the back bar, which will proc the poison glyph every 1.5 seconds for 5kdps poison damage + 600dps from the poison status. And then use poison injection + whatever other damage over time skills you like, then add snipe/focused aim/lethal arrow as a spammable until the endless hail runs out. The disease glyph would add 2500-3500 dps. If you can weave light attacks between focused aim spam, the disease glyph will do 4000 DPS. And you're almost halfway to 20k on glyph damage alone.

Iskiab · March 2019

Juhasow wrote: »

Just wanted to leave it here. Nord stamsorc CP 243 , VO+briareheart+veli group buffed 50k DPS. Very easy rotation. And if You think @dazee light attacks are what makes DPS insanely high well You can substract that 7k DPS of light attacks from parse and You'll still be left with over 40k.

If You have 500+ CP and any decent gear then it's totally on You if Your DPS is so low. So I would suggest You to stop complaining and looking for excuses and instead start practicing.

Usually the class that struggles to do good damage are nightblades. Sustain and damage are dependent on light attacks hitting. If you can’t weave not being able to break 20k under 300CPs is realistic.

Danksta · March 2019

I've done over 25k DPS just by keeping up ele drain, blockade and spamming light attacks and firing my Spectral Bow when it's up, without pots. I can't remember if I used Impale when doing that.

I get bored sometimes when dummy humping..

NyassaV · March 2019

With the buff to light attacks from summerset you should be able to do 25k no problem if you are weaving enough. And when you hit max CP you should be able to nail 30k without a problem.

NyassaV · March 2019

dogman wrote: »

dazee wrote: »

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Nerf everything and buff skilllessness!

Lowering the difference between the top players and bottom players is often a good thing. part of good game balance. it cant be TOO high or TOO low. has to be a balance.

The top players should not be doing over 10 times the dps of the less skilled/knowledgable ones.

Yes, they should. Doing below 20k is something clearly wrong with what you do, because everybody and their dog can pull 30k. Frankly, I don't understand how you can do below 20k on 500 CP.

Give us more info, maybe we can help you then. Post your build and your class / spec.

So true. It sounds like your build might have an issue or even your CP. Are you weaving properly??? so many questions if you can't hit at least 25k at 500 CP

Mintaka5 · March 2019

Look left twice, step forward 3 times, open your craft bag, then close it, tap your pauldrons once, repeat steps 1 and 2, arm and disarm your weapon 5 times, spin around, jump up and down, make sure the moon, mars, and uranus are in alignment, and last but not least dedicate a crystal to Meridia.

RebornV3x · March 2019

After reading this thread I'm beginning to think this is some type of troll thread since you wont post gear or rotation so we can help you so I give this a 9/10 troll thread so not bad.

sneakymitchell · March 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

dazee wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Game is all about light attack weaving for dps. Most MMOs have ability queues so latency is less of an issue, in ESO you need to press each button at the exact right time for max dps.

By max dps I mean it you don’t master it your dps will be cut in half.

I’ve never seen an MMO with such a large gap between the top and low end players. It’s pretty crazy.

Yeah thats super messed up.

Seriously. I’ve been in groups where as the healer I was half the group’s dps (I was 10k ST out of 20k group dps). This was with dps all around CP 300.

Get someone with max CPs, blue crafted gear, and knows what they’re doing and they alone can hit 40k.

Game lends itself to elitism because of it. As a healer you’re a support class and doing things to raise group dps. What’s the point in a game where well beyond half of players who queue as dps can’t fill the role they queued up for, and the ones who can had to watch numerous tutorials and practice for days on a dummy.

Light attack weaving is just dumb. Weaving and lag are easily the worst things about the game.

Yup that’s why some players just stop playing eso because of all those things you said. But hey everything keeps balancing from either being slow or too heavy on build setup.

Juhasow · March 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Just wanted to leave it here. Nord stamsorc CP 243 , VO+briareheart+veli group buffed 50k DPS. Very easy rotation. And if You think @dazee light attacks are what makes DPS insanely high well You can substract that 7k DPS of light attacks from parse and You'll still be left with over 40k.

If You have 500+ CP and any decent gear then it's totally on You if Your DPS is so low. So I would suggest You to stop complaining and looking for excuses and instead start practicing.

Usually the class that struggles to do good damage are nightblades. Sustain and damage are dependent on light attacks hitting. If you can’t weave not being able to break 20k under 300CPs is realistic.

Actually nightblades are the easiest to get high numbers especially solo buffed. That is very common misconception that nightblades are hard to master and rely heavily on light attacks. Even with heavy attack spamming or simplified version of rotation nightblade can easily reach 30k+ as 300 CP player especially that now heavy attacks gives You 2 stacks of spectral bow. You dont even have to weave perfectly when it is nightblade.

MartiniDaniels · March 2019

You should be able to get 20k simply from light attacks and blockade/endless hail. If it is not happening that something is wrong with you gear, CP, mundus.. they are all small factors but even if you take out couple of them your dps will suffer severely.

itsfatbass · March 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

dazee wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Game is all about light attack weaving for dps. Most MMOs have ability queues so latency is less of an issue, in ESO you need to press each button at the exact right time for max dps.

By max dps I mean it you don’t master it your dps will be cut in half.

I’ve never seen an MMO with such a large gap between the top and low end players. It’s pretty crazy.

Yeah thats super messed up.

Seriously. I’ve been in groups where as the healer I was half the group’s dps (I was 10k ST out of 20k group dps). This was with dps all around CP 300.

Get someone with max CPs, blue crafted gear, and knows what they’re doing and they alone can hit 40k.

Game lends itself to elitism because of it. As a healer you’re a support class and doing things to raise group dps. What’s the point in a game where well beyond half of players who queue as dps can’t fill the role they queued up for, and the ones who can had to watch numerous tutorials and practice for days on a dummy.

Light attack weaving is just dumb. Weaving and lag are easily the worst things about the game.

Light attacking weaving in itself I believe to be very unique and enjoyable. However, the damage output FROM these light attacks and in turn the necessity for them to attain super high dps are a problem. They changed light and heavy attacks a few years ago, and since then they have ramped out of control. The damage needs tuned in a massive way from light attacks.

yttoks · March 2019

If you've followed all of the advice you've gotten gear-wise and rotation wise from guildies, and you just can't break that magic 20k barrier at cp500, may I suggest the following strat: hit the left button as fast as you can, and every time your ulti is up, drop it. Eventually, that will get boring AF, so when you get bored, drop a DoT lackadaisically here and there. Voila! 20k.

Troll

Edit: Trawl

Narvuntien · March 2019

Look calm down you don't need to have super ridiculous dps almost everything in the game can be completed with 20K-30K dps. Just don't do vet trials, normal trials are quite enjoyable.

You don't have to compete with everyone you just have to compete with yourself just keep trying to improve your dps.

I have 300 ping that makes light attack weaving super difficult and it super easy to accidentally cancel light attacks and very hard to animation cancel. I get 30K dps and it took me a very long time to get that good, I had to practice a lot to get it that high and I was stuck at 17K dps for a long time.

Spell/weapon power pots and the Medicinal use Passive from alchemy is super useful for keeping up infinite up time on those buffs.

It takes practice to try to keep up your buffs up at max% you can and still have a smooth rotation of skills.

zvavi · March 2019

Noctus wrote: »

and finally there is a huge difference between 500 and 810 cp. ull probably do 30 % more dps

this part. it utter ***. u cant be more wrong.if u would have said 160 cp, i would agree, 300, skeptic put would not call out on it, but 500 cp? you are aware that
1. the more cp you have the less it gives you?
2. that up till 300 cp it is the most impactful cp because it adds 20% total attributes.
3. see 1. 100 more points in the damage tree will give you 4% here and there, and since calculation is weird in eso (50% bonus+50% different bonus is 100% and not 125%) your damage will jump from 170% to 182%, which is barely noticeable, let alone "30%"
4. if you disagree with this, please show how adding those point in the tree will give you more than those meager numbers, i agree i might have over exaggerated a bit, but this is more or less how it is.

Edit: also that's the combat in ESO, learn to weave and you will get 30k easily on all classes with a basic rotation (and the right equipment). If you are not pulling high numbers, it is learn 2 weave issues. Usually DPS problems are weave>rotation>equipment. Exactly in this order. For example I am aware I need to do more practice on a dummy, and I know I can pull higher numbers. I am just lazy. Still pull 40k with most of my characters (stam sorc is at a small disadvantage cause no major debuffs).