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Now that event tickets can be bought, should transmute stones be added to the crown store?
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Mathius_Mordred✭✭✭✭✭
✭Apart from fluff I think the rule that ZOS have followed is that anything you can buy in the Crown store will not give you an advantage over people who can't throw money as if there's no tomorrow. Riding lessons are probably the closest to that line, but only if you PvP, and even then, your group has to wait for everyone to catch up so getting there first is no big advantage, you're always as slow as the slowest member.
The stones take a while to collect, like writs, that's fine with me, it gives you something to work up to. MMO character progression is a long term project during which time you learn to play better and so buy the time you have enough of the really expensive materials you know what to do with them. Leave them out of the store, or for those who can't wait for anything, check ebay, I bet there's some power-levelled maxed out accounts for sale!Skyrim Red Shirts. Join us at https://skyrimredshirts.co.ukJoin Skyrim Red Shirts. Free trader. We welcome all, from new players to Vets. A mature drama-free social group enjoying PVE questing, PvP, Dungeons, trials and arenas. Web, FB Group & Discord. Guild Hall, trial dummy, crafting, transmutation, banker & merchant. You may invite your friends. No requirements0 -
Hallothiel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Why have to wait 30 days? I get transmute stones from RofW every bloody day and I have far more than I could ever need - the uncracked things sit in my inventory taking up space as I can only bank 200 at once and hardly use them. Can’t store the uncracked ones anywhere but on character.
Really like the idea of either selling them, or they being stored in the craft bag so can store more.
So rather than crown store they should let players sell surplus. Especially as if transmute an item it is then account bound.
(And btw event tickets in crown store is not a cash grab but giving those who have missed out on previous event tickets the chance to get the berries before they go - people would complain if they couldn’t get the dawnwood indrik)1 -
nryerson1025✭✭✭✭there is no way an inexperienced pvp'er with anryerson1025 wrote: »Moridin_82 wrote: »If u do pvp u play u get 50 one month. Just save them dont open them 👍
that's one item per month. testing a second 5 pc set often requires 4 transmutes
Test on the PTS? That’s what I do at least.
i admit i havent tried that before. i will, thank you for the suggestion. although i'm not sure how to really test open field combat on the pts i will explore it0 -
nryerson1025✭✭✭✭Hallothiel wrote: »Why have to wait 30 days? I get transmute stones from RofW every bloody day
4 at a time when you need 200 is quite the wait. evne if i get maybe 4-5 geodes a day--that's a good day. 20-40 crystals.Mathius_Mordred wrote: »The stones take a while to collect, like writs, that's fine with me, it gives you something to work up to. MMO character progression is a long term project during which time you learn to play better and so buy the time you have enough of the really expensive materials you know what to do with them. Leave them out of the store, or for those who can't wait for anything, check ebay, I bet there's some power-levelled maxed out accounts for sale!
i'm not sure what makes you think i'm looking for this. the fact that it seems like you can pick a build and be entirely satisfied with it makes me think you're less about finding the perfect build than me. i have 3 pvp characters, each with at least 4 transmuted items on them, with 3-4 builds i swap between. i'm always looking to try new builds. it's what makes the game fun for me. a power leveled max account would provide nothing--i already made one
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generalmyrick✭✭✭✭✭
✭Just spitballin'
but i think @zos thinking here is: its cool to charge for event tickets even though we put all these wierd restrictions in is BECAUSE ---> the stuff is COSMETIC."The red pill and its opposite, the blue pill, are a popular cultural meme, a metaphor representing the choice between:
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ayu_fever✭✭✭✭✭i am indifferent.
i wouldnt play more or less than i do now.
i just wouldnt need to play pvp to get to tier 1, and not do pledges. i would just do other things.
if they are never for sale i will keep grinding for them.
if they are for sale i will buy MANY of them and spend my time playing with perfect trait items.
either way i am playing eso til the severs shut down.PS4 NA
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main character:
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other meta toons-
Alexa Straight-Fire, breton warden healer: THE ALCHEMIST (dungeons, trials)
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Freyja Straight-Fire, nord warden tank: THE ICEBERG (dungeons, trials)
Ororo Straight-Fire, dark elf magsorc: THE SHOCKWAVE (dungeons, trials)
Michonne Straight-Fire, redguard stamDK: THE EVISCERATOR (dungeons, trials)
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Rhea Straight-Fire, wood elf warden stam healer: THE RANGER
Shiva Straight-Fire, high elf warden ice mage: THE CRYOMANCER
Morgana Straight-Fire, dark elf necromancer solo play: THE DEATHSINGER
Lucille Straight-Fire, dark elf nightblade solo play: THE VOIDWALKER
Diana Straight-Fire, nord templar tank: THE CLERIC
Falsetto Straight-Fire, orc stamsorc werewolf: THE THUNDERHOWL0 -
Merlight✭✭✭✭✭Anything that can change your characters stats in that matter, save you a serious amount of gold and/or grinding does not belong in the store.
You do realize that the crown store is one giant cash -> gold exchange machine?
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Their idea of transparent, at least when it comes to communication, bears a striking resemblance to a block of coal. ― lordrichter
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Digiman✭✭✭✭✭I think ZoS would just prefer to keep playing the game... while they would get money quickly they get more but forcing you to grind.0 -
Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
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I don't quite follow. Can you buy transmute stones for gold? If you spend real cash on gold does it save you from spending gold on items?0 -
Finedaible✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No.
If they lifted the transmutation stone cap or raised it by at least 400%, then might be ok with something like that. Creating artificial inconvenience and then introducing a big convenience fee down the line is just controversial and greedy. We have enough of that bs with the Outfit gold costs and Outfit Change Tokens.1 -
Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I would rather they increase the max limit you can hold at any given time, for both transmute crystals AND tickets. the biggest difficulty with transmuting 5-6 items is that you can only hold enough crystals to transmute 4 at a time (as a subscriber, 2 if you are not) so you are best case scenario stuck with a whole lot of uncracked transmute crystals clogging up your inventory.Edited by Linaleah on March 24, 2019 3:53PMdirty worthless casual.
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M_Volsung✭✭✭✭✭Or make them part of the daily log-in rewards, like they did with AP."In the Deep Halls, Far from Men;
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Facefister✭✭✭✭✭
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I also want a loot chest, including monster helmets, for 1000 crowns at the very beginning of the dungeon/trial. Hey, I am going to clear it anyways so I just pay for convenience.MovesLikeJaguar wrote: »I mean it's technically not pay to win. It's convenience just like paying for your mount speed 1000 crowns at a time. With 12 characters all maxed and playable, you can get between 30 and 80 a day already, though that takes a long time. I currently have 3 characters i can do it on a day, and I get 20 on a good day when I feel like playing all 3 characters. If it's like that, they'd probably charge something like 1,000 crowns for 50 transmute stones, or possibly even just a transmute coupon that lets you transmute for free for a similar price.0 -
supaskrub✭✭✭✭✭So lets look at it from the point of view where a few posters in this thread say they would like to see the cap on crystals raised, there is the proof in itself that the issue is not the availability or acquiring pf crystals in the game that is a problem, It is the cap itself. Gaining Crystals is easy in pve and even easier in pvp asking for them to be sold in CS is just uncalled for, if you cannot put in the relatively small amount of time in to get crystals when it is so easy then it seems you just want spoon feeding convenience.0 -
Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I hope not, selling tickets is already a kick in the balls to people who have farmed and played to get these mounts, it went from some mounts we could actually EARN in-game to cash store. F**k them for ruining a cool event, greedy c**ts.
This makes absolutely no sense to me. You did the event right, earning all the tickets "free" for just a bit of effort.
The tickets being in the store, as an Overpriced Last Ditch Catch-up Mechanic for people who didn't manage to do the events, is an opportunity for you to point and laugh at the poor suckers wasting $, where you didn't have to. It's a reason for you to feel good.
I honestly don't understand the "this is a kick in the balls to people who farmed tickets" viewpoint, at all. Totally mind-boggling the way some people see things. /confused.
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edit: and no, it's not the same thing as Transmute Stones, since the tickets - and the things you buy with them - are time-limited/event stuff. Transmute stones can be earned all the time, for things you can spend them on all the time. No time limit, no reason to sell them.Edited by Kiralyn2000 on March 24, 2019 4:09PM2 -
Dojohoda✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Tickets and transmutation stones are not in the same category.
Event Tickets are for cosmetics.
Transmutation stones are very useful to combat and essential to theory crafting.
I have sympathy, but cannot get past the item categories, so to me the idea is invalid as presented.Fan of playing magblade since 2015. (PC NA)
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shaielzafine✭✭✭✭✭They might as well sell the transmute stones in the crown store. There's a way to earn it in game, really fast, through PvP. You can mutagen spam a zerg and get 50 stones (tier 1 reward) from the 30 day campaign. You can earn it from PvE as well if you're getting your weekly coffers. Why not give the option to buy from the crown store for people that have more money than time? What exactly makes that pay 2 win? It's just pay for convenience like the event tickets. We already have things like XP scrolls in the store to make life convenient.0
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Miswar✭✭✭✭✭They could simply adjust so that players could actually sell transmutation "stones" via guild traders. Nothing in terms of pay to win and problems solved. Simple ast that.2
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Merlight✭✭✭✭✭shaielzafine wrote: »We already have things like XP scrolls in the store to make life convenient.
Whose life?
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The offspring of the root of all evil in ESO by DeanTheCat
Why ESO needs a monthly subscription
When an MMO is designed around a revenue model rather than around fun, it doesn’t have a long-term future. ― Richard A. Bartle
Their idea of transparent, at least when it comes to communication, bears a striking resemblance to a block of coal. ― lordrichter
... in the balance of power between the accountants and marketing types against the artists, developers and those who generally want to build and run a good game then that balance needs to always be in favour of the latter - because the former will drag the game into the ground for every last bean they can squeeze out of it. ― Santie Claws0 -
ruikkarikun✭✭✭✭✭1. Take any lvl (even naked lol) char and go to Cyrodiil.
2. Follow zerg for ~ 30 minutes, mb a bit more but max time is hour I'm sure you and get your 1 TIER
3. Repeat on other toons
4. Wait campagin end, and enjoy a lot of crystals.
I rly don't see any problem with this.Edited by ruikkarikun on March 24, 2019 8:13PM0 -
ruikkarikun✭✭✭✭✭The real PROBLEM with transmute crystals is that they don't stack in your inventories. It's very greedy bad design imo. It's just for forcing to buy chests etc. Very bad.Edited by ruikkarikun on March 24, 2019 8:15PM1
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Facefister✭✭✭✭✭
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Because people like him can't be a**ed to do anything.ruikkarikun wrote: »1. Take any lvl (even naked lol) char and go to Cyrodiil.
2. Follow zerg for ~ 30 minutes, mb a bit more but max time is hour I'm sure you and get your 1 TIER
3. Repeat on other toons
4. Wait campagin end, and enjoy a lot of crystals.
I rly don't see any problem with this.
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FleetwoodSmack✭✭✭✭✭
✭Facefister wrote: »
Because people like him can't be a**ed to do anything.ruikkarikun wrote: »1. Take any lvl (even naked lol) char and go to Cyrodiil.
2. Follow zerg for ~ 30 minutes, mb a bit more but max time is hour I'm sure you and get your 1 TIER
3. Repeat on other toons
4. Wait campagin end, and enjoy a lot of crystals.
I rly don't see any problem with this.
Yeah. While there's some good arguments on both sides, the fact that it's super easy to hit the cap in little to no time at all compared to the actual grinding of BiS traited items... I'd say keep them out of the crown store unless crystal drop rates get's... You know... Dropped.Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!0 -
lucky_Sage✭✭✭✭✭Should just be able to trade them i have like 60 geodes wasting spaceDC PC NA
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Ratzkifal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭What counts as "pay to win" is very different for a lot of people. I'd say pay to win is already "paying money to skip ahead of non-paying players". I intentionally phrased that a bit loosely. Buying transmute gems to skip the grind for gems, which are already there to skip grind for gear (but not to replace it entirely), comes down to paying for BiS gear with money. That's pretty pay-to-win in my opinion.
It's a little different for the Indrik imo, because unlike transmutation gems, tickets are limited, provide cosmetic items only (so far), and are meant as a catch-up mechanic and not a replacement (just like transmutation gems) as can be seen by the rediculous price of 250 crowns per ticket.
Since the introduction of gifting and the resulting crown exchange, we already have a pay to win situation in a way, but it is at least tied to outside conditions and willing players to pay gold. The grind doesn't disappear, but it gets outsourced and that is at least somewhat legit compared to completely skipping it.This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.0 -
Mr_Walker✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭What counts as "pay to win" is very different for a lot of people. I'd say pay to win is already "paying money to skip ahead of non-paying players". I intentionally phrased that a bit loosely. Buying transmute gems to skip the grind for gems, which are already there to skip grind for gear (but not to replace it entirely), comes down to paying for BiS gear with money. That's pretty pay-to-win in my opinion.
It's a little different for the Indrik imo, because unlike transmutation gems, tickets are limited, provide cosmetic items only (so far), and are meant as a catch-up mechanic and not a replacement (just like transmutation gems) as can be seen by the rediculous price of 250 crowns per ticket.
Since the introduction of gifting and the resulting crown exchange, we already have a pay to win situation in a way, but it is at least tied to outside conditions and willing players to pay gold. The grind doesn't disappear, but it gets outsourced and that is at least somewhat legit compared to completely skipping it.
*sigh*
p2w means you can obtain bis gear exclusively with money. Someone buying some tm stones to shortcut a wait of 10 days from rotw boxes hardly fits that definition. Or someone buying riding lessons so their mount runs faster than the speed of slow, again, doesn't fit that definittion.
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david_m_18b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭If you can pay real $ to skip months of progression it is p2w. Thats exactly why Archage and BDO are p2w1