Now that event tickets can be bought, should transmute stones be added to the crown store?

nryerson1025

Zenimax, I beg of thee.

Ertosi

Not necessarily saying they should, but I am rather surprised they haven't added the option.

merpins

I mean it's technically not pay to win. It's convenience just like paying for your mount speed 1000 crowns at a time. With 12 characters all maxed and playable, you can get between 30 and 80 a day already, though that takes a long time. I currently have 3 characters i can do it on a day, and I get 20 on a good day when I feel like playing all 3 characters. If it's like that, they'd probably charge something like 1,000 crowns for 50 transmute stones, or possibly even just a transmute coupon that lets you transmute for free for a similar price.

Dagoth_Rac

Event tickets are used for cosmetic fluff. Traits affect actual gameplay and combat. That has generally been a line that ZOS has not crossed with Crown Store stuff.

nryerson1025

MovesLikeJaguar wrote: »

I mean it's technically not pay to win. It's convenience just like paying for your mount speed 1000 crowns at a time. With 12 characters all maxed and playable, you can get between 30 and 80 a day already, though that takes a long time. I currently have 3 characters i can do it on a day, and I get 20 on a good day when I feel like playing all 3 characters. If it's like that, they'd probably charge something like 1,000 crowns for 50 transmute stones, or possibly even just a transmute coupon that lets you transmute for free for a similar price.

i'd pay 1000 crowns per transmute, no problem. on a good day of crystal farming, i typically walk away with btw 20-30. Sometimes i get luckier, other times not. but when you have a build that requires 4-5 transmutations (nirn weapons, jewelry), this is a long process

nryerson1025

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

Event tickets are used for cosmetic fluff. Traits affect actual gameplay and combat. That has generally been a line that ZOS has not crossed with Crown Store stuff.

that's a fair point. alternatively, i guess i just wish there were ways to get larger amounts. and yes, i'm familiar with the vivec rewards and all your alts, etc. but sometimes I dont feel like waiting a month and its by no means fun to pvp on a character not built for pvp and one i'm unfamiliar with/uninterested in pvp

merpins

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

Event tickets are used for cosmetic fluff. Traits affect actual gameplay and combat. That has generally been a line that ZOS has not crossed with Crown Store stuff.

They have crossed that line though. You can buy coupons that speed up the process of researching traits on your crafter by a significant amount. You can buy coupons that give you 50%, 100%, and 150% increased EXP gains. Both of these things affect actual gameplay and combat, as Champion Points / Levels dictate your strength, and if you're using a crafted set, then it dictates your overall strength, whether or not you can obtain it. Unlike these two examples however, you cannot gain transmute crystals by buying them from other players. But the amount of time it takes for both of these things is comparable to the amount of time it takes to get the crystals, so in the end it's still comparable.

Aliyavana

Buying transmute stones wont give you an unfair advantage over someone as they are obtainable from gameplay

Gythral

One you cannot get outside of events that have passed

the other can be obtained at anytime

Notice a difference...

supaskrub

No, why should they be for heavens sake?, the grind was made much easier with their introduction, next folks will be asking for vMA weapons in the crown store and to be able to pick any trait they want..

Crown Store event tickets = A fun (but not to me) for some aesthetic to play Fashion Scrolls with, that adds no benefits to your build.
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Crown Store transmute crystals = Increasing the effectiveness of your build by missing out on grinding, some call that p2w.

Mr_Walker

supaskrub wrote: »

some call that p2w.

Those people would be wrong.

Rackdaniels

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

Event tickets are used for cosmetic fluff. Traits affect actual gameplay and combat. That has generally been a line that ZOS has not crossed with Crown Store stuff.

True and not true.They are allready selling horse riding skills in Store which has direct effect in PvP.

karthrag_inak

as someone who constantly needs more transmute stones than are available i hope they -never- do this.

Browiseth

I mean they're gonna do it anyway. They just need to milk transmute stones for as much of a grind as they can before hand. That's what ZOS does.

iiYuki

I hope not, selling tickets is already a kick in the balls to people who have farmed and played to get these mounts, it went from some mounts we could actually EARN in-game to cash store. F**k them for ruining a cool event, greedy c**ts.

Moridin_82

Signed do it

Oberstein

i like to sell my transmute stone on guild traders.

Moridin_82

If u do pvp u play u get 50 one month. Just save them dont open them 👍

Rackdaniels

Oberstein wrote: »

i like to sell my transmute stone on guild traders.

That could be the way,those who spend time to earn them could make fortunes for their efforts and those who don’t would have to pay for it,like the idea.

Alucardo

MovesLikeJaguar wrote: »

I mean it's technically not pay to win

So upgrading that training staff to sharpened, infused or nirnhoned won't boost your damage? Or changing those training armor pieces to impen won't keep you alive longer in PvP?
Selling anything that enhances your effectiveness in game is p2w, no matter how you look at it

nryerson1025

Moridin_82 wrote: »

If u do pvp u play u get 50 one month. Just save them dont open them 👍

that's one item per month. testing a second 5 pc set often requires 4 transmutes

Browiseth

Alucardo wrote: »

MovesLikeJaguar wrote: »

I mean it's technically not pay to win

So upgrading that training staff to sharpened, infused or nirnhoned won't boost your damage? Or changing those training armor pieces to impen won't keep you alive longer in PvP?
Selling anything that enhances your effectiveness in game is p2w, no matter how you look at it

@Alucardo "no matter how you look at it"? [only a sith deals in absolutes meme here]

I disagree, I think P2W would be if the only way to acquire transmute stones was through the crown store.

I'm going to make a prediction that they'll find their way into the crown store anyway, whether you like it or not.

Feanor

nryerson1025 wrote: »

Moridin_82 wrote: »

If u do pvp u play u get 50 one month. Just save them dont open them 👍

that's one item per month. testing a second 5 pc set often requires 4 transmutes

Test on the PTS? That’s what I do at least.

Alucardo

Browiseth wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

MovesLikeJaguar wrote: »

I mean it's technically not pay to win

So upgrading that training staff to sharpened, infused or nirnhoned won't boost your damage? Or changing those training armor pieces to impen won't keep you alive longer in PvP?
Selling anything that enhances your effectiveness in game is p2w, no matter how you look at it

@Alucardo "no matter how you look at it"?

[only a sith deals in absolutes meme here]

I disagree, I think P2W would be if the only way to acquire transmute stones was through the crown store.

I'm going to make a prediction that they'll find their way into the crown store anyway, whether you like it or not.

While it's not as bad as selling weapons or something (yes I actually played an MMO that sold the best gear in their cash shop), it's still crossing that line. Earning transmute stones takes time, as it should considering how powerful they are. But obviously people with large enough wallets can just change any trait they want, whenever they want.
If they are added I'm not going to be so disgusted I'd leave the game just to make a stand or whatever, but it would make me worry for the future of the crown store.
They have food, poisons, potions, etc in there, but it's fine because the crafted stuff is easily obtainable and stronger. Whereas transmute stones can take a while to acquire and you can't exactly make a weaker version of it. Anything that can change your characters stats in that matter, save you a serious amount of gold and/or grinding does not belong in the store.

Mr_Walker

Alucardo wrote: »

MovesLikeJaguar wrote: »

I mean it's technically not pay to win

So upgrading that training staff to sharpened, infused or nirnhoned won't boost your damage? Or changing those training armor pieces to impen won't keep you alive longer in PvP?
Selling anything that enhances your effectiveness in game is p2w, no matter how you look at it

Really? So, precisely what advantages are conferred upon purchaser of transmute stones that non-paying cheapskates can't obtain in game?

Alucardo

Mr_Walker wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

MovesLikeJaguar wrote: »

I mean it's technically not pay to win

So upgrading that training staff to sharpened, infused or nirnhoned won't boost your damage? Or changing those training armor pieces to impen won't keep you alive longer in PvP?
Selling anything that enhances your effectiveness in game is p2w, no matter how you look at it

Really? So, precisely what advantages are conferred upon purchaser of transmute stones that non-paying cheapskates can't obtain in game?

You mean other than being able to upgrade any gear they want at will, while I wait 30 days just to be able to upgrade 1 item? Calling people who don't spend money in the crown store 'cheapskates' is a little below the belt. I still sub and buy chapters. Considering the horrible performance this game offers I don't know why, but I do.

Mr_Walker

Alucardo wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

MovesLikeJaguar wrote: »

I mean it's technically not pay to win

So upgrading that training staff to sharpened, infused or nirnhoned won't boost your damage? Or changing those training armor pieces to impen won't keep you alive longer in PvP?
Selling anything that enhances your effectiveness in game is p2w, no matter how you look at it

Really? So, precisely what advantages are conferred upon purchaser of transmute stones that non-paying cheapskates can't obtain in game?

You mean other than being able to upgrade any gear they want at will, while I wait 30 days just to be able to upgrade 1 item? Calling people who don't spend money in the crown store 'cheapskates' is a little below the belt. I still sub and buy chapters. Considering the horrible performance this game offers I don't know why, but I do.

Then maybe yo shouldn't be so frivolous in your use of them then. I have 8 characters all geared up and still am sitting on over 2000 of them.

Not really relevant though. Not p2w by any stretch of the imagination.

Alucardo

Mr_Walker wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

MovesLikeJaguar wrote: »

I mean it's technically not pay to win

So upgrading that training staff to sharpened, infused or nirnhoned won't boost your damage? Or changing those training armor pieces to impen won't keep you alive longer in PvP?
Selling anything that enhances your effectiveness in game is p2w, no matter how you look at it

Really? So, precisely what advantages are conferred upon purchaser of transmute stones that non-paying cheapskates can't obtain in game?

You mean other than being able to upgrade any gear they want at will, while I wait 30 days just to be able to upgrade 1 item? Calling people who don't spend money in the crown store 'cheapskates' is a little below the belt. I still sub and buy chapters. Considering the horrible performance this game offers I don't know why, but I do.

Then maybe yo shouldn't be so frivolous in your use of them then. I have 8 characters all geared up and still am sitting on over 2000 of them.

Not really relevant though. Not p2w by any stretch of the imagination.

I mean, sure, you can grind multiple characters to get more stones, but if you play only one then you're out of luck. This blurb from althead sums it rather nicely:

Games that have the pay to win system incorporated usually try to obfuscate this trait by allowing players unlock everything by in-game means. Their developers and publishers will claim that ''players can either invest their time or their money in order to unlock items or progress through the game''. This sentence is a red flag you should never ignore, as in all cases up to this point it literally translated into ''you will either cough up the money or spend hundreds of hours grinding and still be at a disadvantage compared to someone who bought progression''. Cue Ubisoft Starter Edition meme.

Mr_Walker

Alucardo wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

MovesLikeJaguar wrote: »

I mean it's technically not pay to win

So upgrading that training staff to sharpened, infused or nirnhoned won't boost your damage? Or changing those training armor pieces to impen won't keep you alive longer in PvP?
Selling anything that enhances your effectiveness in game is p2w, no matter how you look at it

Really? So, precisely what advantages are conferred upon purchaser of transmute stones that non-paying cheapskates can't obtain in game?

You mean other than being able to upgrade any gear they want at will, while I wait 30 days just to be able to upgrade 1 item? Calling people who don't spend money in the crown store 'cheapskates' is a little below the belt. I still sub and buy chapters. Considering the horrible performance this game offers I don't know why, but I do.

Then maybe yo shouldn't be so frivolous in your use of them then. I have 8 characters all geared up and still am sitting on over 2000 of them.

Not really relevant though. Not p2w by any stretch of the imagination.

I mean, sure, you can grind multiple characters to get more stones, but if you play only one then you're out of luck. This blurb from althead sums it rather nicely:

Games that have the pay to win system incorporated usually try to obfuscate this trait by allowing players unlock everything by in-game means. Their developers and publishers will claim that ''players can either invest their time or their money in order to unlock items or progress through the game''. This sentence is a red flag you should never ignore, as in all cases up to this point it literally translated into ''you will either cough up the money or spend hundreds of hours grinding and still be at a disadvantage compared to someone who bought progression''. Cue Ubisoft Starter Edition meme.

Your little quopte is very cute, but how much time do you have to invest to get to T1 in pvp? About 20 minutes of you hook on the end of a zerg.

Of course, the REAL grind is w/o transmute people having to run the same content until they get desired item. Apply your facile quote to that....

Browiseth

Alucardo wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Mr_Walker wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

MovesLikeJaguar wrote: »

I mean it's technically not pay to win

So upgrading that training staff to sharpened, infused or nirnhoned won't boost your damage? Or changing those training armor pieces to impen won't keep you alive longer in PvP?
Selling anything that enhances your effectiveness in game is p2w, no matter how you look at it

Really? So, precisely what advantages are conferred upon purchaser of transmute stones that non-paying cheapskates can't obtain in game?

You mean other than being able to upgrade any gear they want at will, while I wait 30 days just to be able to upgrade 1 item? Calling people who don't spend money in the crown store 'cheapskates' is a little below the belt. I still sub and buy chapters. Considering the horrible performance this game offers I don't know why, but I do.

Then maybe yo shouldn't be so frivolous in your use of them then. I have 8 characters all geared up and still am sitting on over 2000 of them.

Not really relevant though. Not p2w by any stretch of the imagination.

I mean, sure, you can grind multiple characters to get more stones, but if you play only one then you're out of luck. This blurb from althead sums it rather nicely:

Games that have the pay to win system incorporated usually try to obfuscate this trait by allowing players unlock everything by in-game means. Their developers and publishers will claim that ''players can either invest their time or their money in order to unlock items or progress through the game''. This sentence is a red flag you should never ignore, as in all cases up to this point it literally translated into ''you will either cough up the money or spend hundreds of hours grinding and still be at a disadvantage compared to someone who bought progression''. Cue Ubisoft Starter Edition meme.

just because someone else agrees with you doesn't make it correct...

I wouldn't call the things described as "pay2win", just general corporate greed.

notyuu

Should they, no
Will they, probably
however given how things are, pricing it correctly would be a challenge, so they would in all likely hood put a purple geode available in the store for like 300 crowns or something like that