martijnlv40 wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

The stam return passive is great for pvp. I love it and its the sole reason i stayed highelf rather then changing to breton as i first tought.

You could use sets as well to compensate, which every PvP'er did before this change. It just doesn't work well with any PvE content. It's just a bit useless, and it's not the only racial that is, but it sure is one of them.

Doesn't this logic apply to everything though? I mean get some sets or the food you need and make up for the racials that don't fit/benefit your playstyle. I mean there's no rule that every racial must be unanimously good for every build/playstyle/part of the game.

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

They didnt kill Altmer, however the change was pretty unnecessary if we look at pts data we see that Altmer with magicka recovery is even with Breton and at the time was behind khajit. So yeah a change that made a passive only useful in pvp/ very limited pve Content (and even in those its more of a l2p/lacking experience issue) without being necessary.
Imo the number simply shouldve been adjusted instead of loosing the mag Sustain entirely but carefully adjusting values is not something ESO balancing is known for, they´d much rather kick stuff into the trash can instead of Looking for a middle Ground/tweaking numbers.

to tweak this perk, make it mag and stam recovery (the current heal is xxxlowest max stat, if they cut it in 2 and make it ''when casting a class ability, you restore xxxmag and xx stam)
it benefits you better if its this way yet still has balance (even tho this passive only benefits pvp)

The new Altmer passives were a main reason why I created a new character - a PvP magplar. Having free stamina recovery while still having some of the best magicka passives is a huge plus for me. The 5% damage reduction, which also synergizes well with magplar, just sealed the deal for me. So, I really hope ZOS won't change that passive in the future.

They are a top tier PvE DPS race anyway. And the stam recovery makes them an amazing choice for PvP as well. I gotta say, imo ZOS did a pretty good job with Altmer/Breton/Dunmer racial balance.

aaaaaaaaaaand i forgot how to remove a forum conversation... (god i realy am a piece of trash)

is there someone wo can close this forum? may aswell tie up the loose ends since ive got a lead to what to do next

You can take away our skooma but we will always be high elves.

I didn’t mind the stamina return, if you pvp the difference is noticible.

Issue’s the passive 5% less damage while channeling. Useless if you’re not a templar.

Altmer’s still a good Templar choice. For anyone else there are better options. The channeled thing pigeon holes the race as Templar only if you want to min-max.

Stats are irrelevant for pvp because you want to be balanced. What’s important for pvp are the flavour things that were added besides stats, and altmer has one of the worst.

I'll just put the changes in stats from my Altmer magsorc build here (PvE, self buffed):
- I lost a little less than 4% on my enchants
- I lost 1100 magicka and gained 307 spell damage.
- My elemental damage (force pulse) went up by 0,8%
- My magickal damage went up by 5%
- I lost 90 magicka recovery.
- I gained stamina recovery (though I don't need it)
Seems okay balanced, but I might need to change a spell damage glpyh for recovery (already have one), except for in trials, so it probably goes down a bit further. All in all, Altmer was on par with Dunmer (the best two mag races), and they still are, but Breton has come alongside them. I think it depends on the content you want to do, but for more casual/unoptimized play I'd go Breton (with the 4-man groups running random DPS queued as healers/tanks this might be the best). So it seems pretty balanced, though I think Dunmer somehow has to stand out a bit more. I'd enjoy something else on my stam regen but it's not breaking my build or anything.

All classes have at least a useless passive depending on the content... Can Orcs make use of the Swift Warrior passive in PvE? Can Dunmer make a right use of the Ruination Passive, buffing both wpn and spell dmg in PvE? What utility has Hunter's Eye for a Bosmer? Or the Extra Gold for an Imperial in PvP?

I think that people who complains about a specific racial only plays that race, which makes their complaints hard to take them seriously.

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

I didn’t mind the stamina return, if you pvp the difference is noticible.

Issue’s the passive 5% less damage while channeling. Useless if you’re not a templar.

Altmer’s still a good Templar choice. For anyone else there are better options. The channeled thing pigeon holes the race as Templar only if you want to min-max.

I'm running an Altmer melee MagBlade, and using Introspection on my back bar to keep my health topped off.

Do you think the 5% damage reduction matters that much here, or will I be better off going Dunmer for the increased Stamina pool?

I plan to use this toon as a dueling build eventually.

thats your choise realy, the only things different from the dunmer and high elf would definetly be spellrecharge and resist flame aswell as the stam/mag boost of 1850
wile the spell and physical damage both are increased by the same

high elf gets a 2k boots in magicka and the same mag boost whitoud the wep dmg bonus

as the playstyle of the dunmer implies, its a hybrid
ye the 3 best races for the stamblade would definetly be khajiit at 5, dunmer, wood elf and redguard can easily compete whit eachother for obvious reasons regarding the passives and orc at 1

for magblades well you could go for the dunmer, high elf or even khajiit (since the kittehs passives are all updated now and i actualy kind of like the new passives EXEPT for the new crit passive, chanse is better then dmg in this case) ofcourse you could go for the bretton to, i mean they can tank the damage a little bit better then the high elf and also have a better mag sustainment now, however you wont have spellrecharge, witch realy fits pvp great
and pve only for the moments of uther need, like some others here have mentioned already (but still no real fan of it)

witch is why i considder this entire poll useless at the moment, becouse i already found some mediocre peace whit the wole spellrecharge passive, all i need to do isto level another char on some other raceif i wana go for a true pve dps again, gives me the hope to turn him pvp again since he does very good now, i wish there was a way to remove the poll....

my next goal will be finishing that char again, and then continuing releveling other chars and keeping 1 slot free for when the necro comes

thank you all for your opinions
please, if there is any mod wo reads this
close this poll

Yea, if you pvp as mag I’d always go Breton or Argonian. Altmer for templar.

Once upon a time dunmer helped if you were a vampire. Now I don’t know why someone would choose them.