wrathstone new rasial pasives, feedback: high elf

QuinnTheWolf

as the title says, im giving my opinion on the new passives of the high elf

now that all are released and are great! there is 1 passive of the high elf race THAT IS THE MOST USELESS GARBAGE IVE EVER SEEN!!!!!!!
do you realy think that a magica based race NEEDS STAM RECOVERY? WHAT THE ACTUAL F!

you ruined the high elf aswell as every known mag build!
i hoped it would be mag restore, but it didnt become that...

this is pretty mutch everything...
all new passives are great, but this bad apple just spoiled the bunch, maybe ysolda shouldve used her khajiit based line for this USELESS GARBAGE passive... sad to see a good race ruined like this
you should be ashamed of this...

i would like to know the opinion of other players on this

sirpz

nobody cares. High elf is still one of the best mag races, high elf gets damage and stats, breton gets sustain and stats. its simple. now stop whining, you sound like a little kid, just because high elf isnt the undisputed best race in the game doesnt mean its useless garbage. Im tired of seeing these forum posts, theyre all the same.

VaranisArano

QuinnTheWolf wrote: »

i would like to know the opinion of other players on this

Do a forum search or look on the PTS forums. There are no lack of threads on this topic.

Elhan

with the magicka recovery passive, high elf is n1 magicka dps without any discussion.

with stam recovery, high elf is top 1 magdps with dunmer and breton. all good choice with tradeoff between dmg/sustain

balance!

plz stop crying about that, HE is still best magicka dps, he just share his 1st place

Tasear

sirpz wrote: »

nobody cares. High elf is still one of the best mag races, high elf gets damage and stats, breton gets sustain and stats. its simple. now stop whining, you sound like a little kid, just because high elf isnt the undisputed best race in the game doesnt mean its useless garbage. Im tired of seeing these forum posts, theyre all the same.

🤔 idk, I still see posts like this frequent enough, though bosmers are crazy angry.

Illuvatarr

Altmer is much stronger this patch. Stuff gets melted in pvp.

ATomiX96

Not gonna lie, in PvP this passive allows me to drop quite a bit of stamina sustain which is needed to some extent and invest that into other departments.
For PvE though I see why people call it useless, you hardly can utilize it.

InvictusApollo

Not all passives are intended to be for pve. Some are only for pvp. And that particular passive is great for that. I don't know whats the deal in here since a decent healer should be able to give you enough synergies for sustain.

Silver_Strider

InvictusApollo wrote: »

Not all passives are intended to be for pve. Some are only for pvp. And that particular passive is great for that. I don't know whats the deal in here since a decent healer should be able to give you enough synergies for sustain.

Unless the Altmer is the healer, then you're screwed

DarkPicture

Illuvatarr wrote: »

Altmer is much stronger this patch. Stuff gets melted in pvp.

All race got buff if u compare them to the old passives. It means nothing

Mattock_Romulus

It's far from useless in pve. I use the skill to free up 3 extra skill points.

Joxer61

little extra stam for little extra things like dodging and the like...duh.

SydneyGrey

They killed Altmer as healers.
They're still good for DPS, though.

HappyLittleTree

Browart wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

Altmer is much stronger this patch. Stuff gets melted in pvp.

All race got buff if u compare them to the old passives. It means nothing

Well except Argonians, but they still are very strong

martijnlv40

I think just throwing away his point like many do with 'it's still shared 1 magdd' is as childish as the post itself. The flavor can be changed without changing any balance. It's not the only race that could still use small tweaks.

Tasear

SydneyGrey wrote: »

They killed Altmer as healers.
They're still good for DPS, though.

Altmers give stronger heals with spell damage and max Magicka.

martijnlv40

Tasear wrote: »

SydneyGrey wrote: »

They killed Altmer as healers.
They're still good for DPS, though.

Altmers give stronger heals with spell damage and max Magicka.

Yeah I think you just need 100 recovery more or something, and they're better than they were on the past patch. Though the Altmer healers are harder to play than Bretons, either set-wise or just sustain-wise, so I don't think they will be most popular (since healers don't have a problem with healing, that extra spell damage won't matter that much -same with the Argonian).

idk

I do not think any feedback provided today would be seen any differently than feedback provided two weeks ago.

I would expect Zos would watch the performance of the race changes over time before they would even begin to consider further feedback. It just makes sense to give things time before considering more changes.

Of course Zos is would be looking for constructive feedback at that. The message in the OP comes off as a rage rant as it really offers nothing other than they do not like the change and nothing more.

Seraphayel

SydneyGrey wrote: »

They killed Altmer as healers.
They're still good for DPS, though.

Yeah killed Altmer healers by turning elemental damage which didn't benefit healing at all into spell damage which fully benefits healing...

WrathOfInnos

Seraphayel wrote: »

SydneyGrey wrote: »

They killed Altmer as healers.
They're still good for DPS, though.

Yeah killed Altmer healers by turning elemental damage which didn't benefit healing at all into spell damage which fully benefits healing...

Healing someone to full health and healing someone for more than their full health are the same thing. Losing Magicka recovery is detrimental.

Priyasekarssk

QuinnTheWolf wrote: »

as the title says, im giving my opinion on the new passives of the high elf

now that all are released and are great! there is 1 passive of the high elf race THAT IS THE MOST USELESS GARBAGE IVE EVER SEEN!!!!!!!
do you realy think that a magica based race NEEDS STAM RECOVERY? WHAT THE ACTUAL F!

you ruined the high elf aswell as every known mag build!
i hoped it would be mag restore, but it didnt become that...

this is pretty mutch everything...
all new passives are great, but this bad apple just spoiled the bunch, maybe ysolda shouldve used her khajiit based line for this USELESS GARBAGE passive... sad to see a good race ruined like this
you should be ashamed of this...

i would like to know the opinion of other players on this

Sanguinor2

They didnt kill Altmer, however the change was pretty unnecessary if we look at pts data we see that Altmer with magicka recovery is even with Breton and at the time was behind khajit. So yeah a change that made a passive only useful in pvp/ very limited pve Content (and even in those its more of a l2p/lacking experience issue) without being necessary.
Imo the number simply shouldve been adjusted instead of loosing the mag Sustain entirely but carefully adjusting values is not something ESO balancing is known for, they´d much rather kick stuff into the trash can instead of Looking for a middle Ground/tweaking numbers.

Seraphayel

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

SydneyGrey wrote: »

They killed Altmer as healers.
They're still good for DPS, though.

Yeah killed Altmer healers by turning elemental damage which didn't benefit healing at all into spell damage which fully benefits healing...

Healing someone to full health and healing someone for more than their full health are the same thing. Losing Magicka recovery is detrimental.

What?

If you heal 5000 or 6000 with a skill makes quite a difference especially when you need to think about "is it enough or do I need a second cast" (=wasted resources).

You lost sustain but gained power. Stated goal for racial changes (sustain vs. power), mission accomplished. Stronger heals in the end result in an overall decreased Magicka consumption.

MLGProPlayer

InvictusApollo wrote: »

Not all passives are intended to be for pve. Some are only for pvp.

That's a problem. Racial passives, at the very least, should be useful in both modes. There are only 3 passives for ***'s sake.

MLGProPlayer

Elhan wrote: »

with the magicka recovery passive, high elf is n1 magicka dps without any discussion.

with stam recovery, high elf is top 1 magdps with dunmer and breton. all good choice with tradeoff between dmg/sustain

balance!

plz stop crying about that, HE is still best magicka dps, he just share his 1st place

These were DPS tests from 4.3.0 (when Altmer had their magicka regen passive). They were not any stronger than they are now (in fact, they parsed behind Breton and Khajiit on almost every class).

Seraphayel

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Elhan wrote: »

with the magicka recovery passive, high elf is n1 magicka dps without any discussion.

with stam recovery, high elf is top 1 magdps with dunmer and breton. all good choice with tradeoff between dmg/sustain

balance!

plz stop crying about that, HE is still best magicka dps, he just share his 1st place

These were DPS tests from 4.3.0 (when Altmer had their magicka regen passive). They were not any stronger than they are now (in fact, they parsed behind Breton and Khajiit on almost every class).

Yeah and now they're 1st or 2nd, depending on the class so... from 3rd to 1st/2nd, that's quite a buff. Even WITH the Stamina restore. How dare they being better now (guess what, mostly due to the Khajiit nerf but the outcome is the same).

WrathOfInnos

Seraphayel wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

SydneyGrey wrote: »

They killed Altmer as healers.
They're still good for DPS, though.

Yeah killed Altmer healers by turning elemental damage which didn't benefit healing at all into spell damage which fully benefits healing...

Healing someone to full health and healing someone for more than their full health are the same thing. Losing Magicka recovery is detrimental.

What?

If you heal 5000 or 6000 with a skill makes quite a difference especially when you need to think about "is it enough or do I need a second cast" (=wasted resources).

You lost sustain but gained power. Stated goal for racial changes (sustain vs. power), mission accomplished. Stronger heals in the end result in an overall decreased Magicka consumption.

No you don’t understand. There are very few situations in PVE where more HPS output is needed. If a heal hits for 15k, on a DPS with 15k health, increasing that heal to 17k doesn’t add anything.

Sustain is always needed on healers, to cast more orbs, combat prayer, purge, etc.

That’s why end game healers rarely use sets like Sanctuary, but frequently use Worm. I mean, if they really needed high spell damage for better heals, then every healer would be wearing Siroria (which I have never seen done, outside of fake healing dungeons).

Sanguinor2

Seraphayel wrote: »

Yeah and now they're 1st or 2nd, depending on the class so... from 3rd to 1st/2nd, that's quite a buff. Even WITH the Stamina restore. How dare they being better now (guess what, mostly due to the Khajiit nerf but the outcome is the same).

What a logic. Altmer got nerfed but because khajit got nerfed harder Altmer actually wasnt nerfed but buffed. I find it questionable to justify one unnecessary Change with another unnecessary Change that had more of an Impact.
Khajit is in the same place as Altmer, where values of the passive in Question could´ve or rather should´ve been tweaked/adjusted to achieve better balance instead of removing it outright.

olsborg

The stam return passive is great for pvp. I love it and its the sole reason i stayed highelf rather then changing to breton as i first tought.

martijnlv40

olsborg wrote: »

The stam return passive is great for pvp. I love it and its the sole reason i stayed highelf rather then changing to breton as i first tought.

You could use sets as well to compensate, which every PvP'er did before this change. It just doesn't work well with any PvE content. It's just a bit useless, and it's not the only racial that is, but it sure is one of them.

QuinnTheWolf

sirpz wrote: »

nobody cares. High elf is still one of the best mag races, high elf gets damage and stats, breton gets sustain and stats. its simple. now stop whining, you sound like a little kid, just because high elf isnt the undisputed best race in the game doesnt mean its useless garbage. Im tired of seeing these forum posts, theyre all the same.

maybe youre right, i shoulde tried more combis, but its stable again, still sad about that passive tho..
i mean, zos could do something mutch better whit it