idk wrote: »

The OP does not make sense.

I can only guess they think Google is the solution to every problem in the world. If they truly understood they would come to a very different realization.

What has google got to do with this??

If by google you mean a centralized mega server system to run large player populations on, processing data at source, and owning all the rights to the distribution of your IP... then yes, i guess i do.

idk wrote: »

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

So we have all seen the google stadia announcement right?

And have others checked out shadow blade? Microsoft are shifting to games as a service, buy anywhere play anywhere models...
You know, the future is coming, do we have to wait ten years, or do Zenimax actually want to get ahead of the game here!?

So Zeni, come on, new platforms are here. You either take control of your IP, or let the dust forming from the crowded scramble distract the players and allow them to wander toward their destination, before you realize that the, "be a character, be him anywhere model" is what your focus should be on.

Pretty please Zeni,

Free my friends in my signature.

They have said in the past that transfers are not possible/feasible. Also talk to sony about cross platform play, they are the ones objecting to it not zenimax.

Boooooooo.

So Zeni will not try to move their game to new platform? Will not try to get ahead and jump onto a system of "cloud" gaming, whilst they already have mega-server farms?

You are prob right, but that wouldn't be wise. I'm trying to help them here.

I do not think you understand cloud computing. You certainly have not provided any reasoning why Zos should consider it. It just seems you are into hype rather than real information.

Enlighten me,

I'll start, assuming excellent network conditions,
Now we have,
I press W, I move forward on my screen, [LATENCY] server updates [LATENCY], that info is sent back to me.
On the cloud,
I press W, [LATENCY] the server updates, that info is sent back to me [LATENCY], I move forward on my screen.

On the cloud we just needed more bandwidth, other than that, we are just moving around when we as the user can detect the latency. Right?

Google say you need 30mbs for 4K resolution [at 60 frames per second] so good luck if you can't reserve that for yourself while other family/flatmates/etc stream games, netflix, etc.

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

So we have all seen the google stadia announcement right?

And have others checked out shadow blade? Microsoft are shifting to games as a service, buy anywhere play anywhere models...
You know, the future is coming, do we have to wait ten years, or do Zenimax actually want to get ahead of the game here!?

So Zeni, come on, new platforms are here. You either take control of your IP, or let the dust forming from the crowded scramble distract the players and allow them to wander toward their destination, before you realize that the, "be a character, be him anywhere model" is what your focus should be on.

Pretty please Zeni,

Free my friends in my signature.

They have said in the past that transfers are not possible/feasible. Also talk to sony about cross platform play, they are the ones objecting to it not zenimax.

Boooooooo.

So Zeni will not try to move their game to new platform? Will not try to get ahead and jump onto a system of "cloud" gaming, whilst they already have mega-server farms?

You are prob right, but that wouldn't be wise. I'm trying to help them here.

You want zos to rebuild the game from the ground up? You want to be without new content for months or years while they figure out the change? Don't let the hype make you believe they can do anything, ESO is staying how it is, and the account migration is already a non negotiable no.

ArchMikem wrote: »

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

So we have all seen the google stadia announcement right?

And have others checked out shadow blade? Microsoft are shifting to games as a service, buy anywhere play anywhere models...
You know, the future is coming, do we have to wait ten years, or do Zenimax actually want to get ahead of the game here!?

So Zeni, come on, new platforms are here. You either take control of your IP, or let the dust forming from the crowded scramble distract the players and allow them to wander toward their destination, before you realize that the, "be a character, be him anywhere model" is what your focus should be on.

Pretty please Zeni,

Free my friends in my signature.

They have said in the past that transfers are not possible/feasible. Also talk to sony about cross platform play, they are the ones objecting to it not zenimax.

Boooooooo.

So Zeni will not try to move their game to new platform? Will not try to get ahead and jump onto a system of "cloud" gaming, whilst they already have mega-server farms?

You are prob right, but that wouldn't be wise. I'm trying to help them here.

You want zos to rebuild the game from the ground up? You want to be without new content for months or years while they figure out the change? Don't let the hype make you believe they can do anything, ESO is staying how it is, and the account migration is already a non negotiable no.

I'm fully aware of ZOS's stance, *** am i aware....

I guess as for ZOS' take on cloud gaming, I can guarantee everyone in the gaming world has taken the announcment by google quite seriously, then i guess its a simple business decision of wether or not its investment worthy, and would it make sense to not continue with content to so as to sustain the current cash flow of the IP!? How the hell am I supposed to know dude?!! But I know I would be exploring it in ZOS' shoes....

You're new here, aren't ya?

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

So we have all seen the google stadia announcement right?

And have others checked out shadow blade? Microsoft are shifting to games as a service, buy anywhere play anywhere models...
You know, the future is coming, do we have to wait ten years, or do Zenimax actually want to get ahead of the game here!?

So Zeni, come on, new platforms are here. You either take control of your IP, or let the dust forming from the crowded scramble distract the players and allow them to wander toward their destination, before you realize that the, "be a character, be him anywhere model" is what your focus should be on.

Pretty please Zeni,

Free my friends in my signature.

They have said in the past that transfers are not possible/feasible. Also talk to sony about cross platform play, they are the ones objecting to it not zenimax.

Odd thing is I think it was available for 1 week only when they launched consoles so you had the choice of converting PC to console but not vice versa once you accepted it

Here's the post from Support: https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/25807/~/can-i-transfer-my-eso-account-and-characters-between-different-platforms?

CAN I TRANSFER MY ESO ACCOUNT AND CHARACTERS BETWEEN DIFFERENT PLATFORMS?
We have not built, and do not plan to build, the capability to move individual characters from platform to platform. We were only able to move characters in bulk for consoles once on June 1st, 2015 because the database tables we copied to were brand new (empty). Now that the database tables are filled with other data, the techniques we used before no longer work.

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

therift wrote: »

Some games might migrate quickly. ESO most definitely is not one of them.

Based on what, for all you know Zeni studios are way ahead of the curve, already about to announce they are gonna be released day 1 on the stadia at E3. See, I can make unfounded, un-proveable, ASSumptions too.

Because the game architecture is 11 years old, and Google's thing is 11 minutes old. You're jumping on a bandwagon that hasn't been built. It's a demo and a lot of promises. That's hardly something to 'invest' in.

zaria wrote: »

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

So we have all seen the google stadia announcement right?

And have others checked out shadow blade? Microsoft are shifting to games as a service, buy anywhere play anywhere models...
You know, the future is coming, do we have to wait ten years, or do Zenimax actually want to get ahead of the game here!?

So Zeni, come on, new platforms are here. You either take control of your IP, or let the dust forming from the crowded scramble distract the players and allow them to wander toward their destination, before you realize that the, "be a character, be him anywhere model" is what your focus should be on.

Pretty please Zeni,

Free my friends in my signature.

They have said in the past that transfers are not possible/feasible. Also talk to sony about cross platform play, they are the ones objecting to it not zenimax.

Moving accounts would require lifting all the data from one database and adding to another.
This is probably an one month job to develop and test the system.
Worse case two.

ZoS problem is not just server swap but account restore.
If some hack your account and delete all your characters say an ex-girlfriend its nothing ZoS can do about it even if you has been an high level whale since launch.
Note that if you are an major steamer they might give you some templates gear packs and race changes, they does not want Xynode to use the rest of the year preaching that ESO is way worse than7 FO 76.

For the others its your problem we are working on our HA bow / ice staff builds.
Yes, its quite possible, I priced an similar way more data but simpler concept to around $100K

They can and have restored peoples characters. not sure of all characters simultaneously though.

Edaphon wrote: »

Don't get your hopes up. Console players will never be able to experience ESO without serious performance issues.

It's sad, and I honestly just visit here now and again to remind ZOS that people still want this, but you are 100% right as far as i see it.

Sylvermynx wrote: »

There was a whole thread yesterday with very good info about why Stadia will add lag, with good posts by professionals in the business. OP might have tried searching....

A quick search revealed articles from several leading gaming journals that concluded Stadia lag was quite noticeable but expected since lag is endemic in cloud platforms. The best analysis said you'll 'get used to it' after a while.

idk wrote: »

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

idk wrote: »

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

So we have all seen the google stadia announcement right?

And have others checked out shadow blade? Microsoft are shifting to games as a service, buy anywhere play anywhere models...
You know, the future is coming, do we have to wait ten years, or do Zenimax actually want to get ahead of the game here!?

So Zeni, come on, new platforms are here. You either take control of your IP, or let the dust forming from the crowded scramble distract the players and allow them to wander toward their destination, before you realize that the, "be a character, be him anywhere model" is what your focus should be on.

Pretty please Zeni,

Free my friends in my signature.

They have said in the past that transfers are not possible/feasible. Also talk to sony about cross platform play, they are the ones objecting to it not zenimax.

Boooooooo.

So Zeni will not try to move their game to new platform? Will not try to get ahead and jump onto a system of "cloud" gaming, whilst they already have mega-server farms?

You are prob right, but that wouldn't be wise. I'm trying to help them here.

I do not think you understand cloud computing. You certainly have not provided any reasoning why Zos should consider it. It just seems you are into hype rather than real information.

Enlighten me,

I'll start, assuming excellent network conditions,
Now we have,
I press W, I move forward on my screen, [LATENCY] server updates [LATENCY], that info is sent back to me.
On the cloud,
I press W, [LATENCY] the server updates, that info is sent back to me [LATENCY], I move forward on my screen.

On the cloud we just needed more bandwidth, other than that, we are just moving around when we as the user can detect the latency. Right?

and in this post your problem begins to show. You have made an assumption. One based in nothing which is even worse.

I am going to tell you a little story. One based on fact. A network I used to work on, a network that had so many circuits we managed them like a telecom manages theirs.

Circuits we owned, when they malfunctioned we had them fixed in minutes to hours. We owned them and had the control to get them fixed as fast as possible.

Circuits we leased, when they malfunctioned it took the provider hours to days to get them fixed. We did not own them and were at the mercy of the provider.

Or course we strived to replace leased lines with lines we owned so we could have control.

So you want Zos to lease their servers and give up control which could easily lead to server downtimes or more persistent issues all because of a baseless assumption that things will be better. You do not even understand why there is server based lag to begin with as you do not even begin to try to speak to that.

Again, you have bought into hype rather than reality.

It's not an assumption when I acknowledge it beforehand, it's simply an assertion that under excellent network conditions this is all perfectly viable right? That's it. So in the end are you agreeing that under excellent network conditions that this is completely viable?

And doesn't the steam launcher go down all the time? PSN etc. Haven't they already relinquished control? What do you mean?

idk wrote: »

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

Edaphon wrote: »

Don't get your hopes up. Console players will never be able to experience ESO without serious performance issues.

It's sad, and I honestly just visit here now and again to remind ZOS that people still want this, but you are 100% right as far as i see it.

This reply makes me think you are confused. You seem to be discussion two different things.

BTW, since you come here to remind Zos, I will remind you. Zos stated very clearly they would not offer server transfers. They were very clear about that.

Yeah, obviously I am also discussing account migration (a subject I am all too familiar with), look, you just also joined that discussion. And I'm the one who is confused!!?

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

Now we have,
I press W, I move forward on my screen, [LATENCY] server updates [LATENCY], that info is sent back to me.
On the cloud,
I press W, [LATENCY] the server updates, that info is sent back to me [LATENCY], I move forward on my screen.

Close, but not quite. Stadia would only run the client on their servers; the client would still need to connect to the same official ZOS ESO servers we do now.

What we'd have on the cloud is actually:

I press W, [LATENCY] Stadia server receives W input and moves character on client, [LATENCY] ESO server updates, [LATENCY] that info is sent back to the Stadia server, [LATENCY] I move forward on my screen.

Note how you would have four instances of latency, instead of only two.

At best, you'd have a hardly noticeable increase in latency on average. Most likely, you'd have a noticeable increase in latency. At worst, your latency would skyrocket. It depends on the node structure of the internet between you, the Stadia server near you, and the ESO server. The only particular situation in which you might have a latency improvement over not using Stadia is if there's a weak node between you and the ESO server that is circumvented when routing through the Stadia server first. Otherwise, there is not a single situation in which latency would actually improve using Stadia.