Will we finally get sword/dagger/orb/glove for the caster tree with Elseweyr?

Avoka · March 2019

I want to know if swords/dagger and new "weapons" like orb and glove will be added to the caster tree with the new upcoming addon Elseweyr or in further future.
Atm as caster you only can wear a ugly stave, surely it's the only game a caster is only allowed to wear a stave, even if there is so many fantasy lore about mages and their swords strengthen them up (not to mention orbs).

I'm tired of those staves and tbh, after 5 years i still never played a magic class, because i can't stand those staves.
I know a lot of people would love to see swords and other magic-affinity sorts of weapons, to replace the stave.

Beardimus · March 2019

Double wands suck.
MagDW rocked. But they killed it dead.

The slim chances we thought we had -

- marketing material from Morrowind suggested a 1H & Rune skill line but nope
- fancy crown gloves COULD have acted like shock/frost /inferno staves pure cosmetic change and given all the passives etc, even used overload graphics with new colors to make devs lifes easy but...

No just gloves.

Boo.

Avoka · March 2019

Beardimus wrote: »

Double wands suck.
MagDW rocked. But they killed it dead.

The slim chances we thought we had -

- marketing material from Morrowind suggested a 1H & Rune skill line but nope
- fancy crown gloves COULD have acted like shock/frost /inferno staves pure cosmetic change and given all the passives etc, even used overload graphics with new colors to make devs lifes easy but...

No just gloves.

Boo.

Yep, that's the problem.
A only cosmetic change would be everything we ask for, but they don't listen.
Gloves could perfectly fit into it, like you said, frost/fire/shock (i don't wanted to go further), but still, they don't care.

And yes, even a new skill tree could be possible with 1h-weapon+glove/orb. But sadly, no.

iiYuki · March 2019

Will we get them?
No

Digiman · March 2019

My only grip is alot of the animations are tied to the staff, destructive clench animation should work like a crystal frag proc.

This would give the illusion that your wielding the actually magic in tandem with the staff.

Hallothiel · March 2019

A glove to do magic? Please no. That’s just a bit rubbish.

Avoka · March 2019

Hallothiel wrote: »

A glove to do magic? Please no. That’s just a bit rubbish.

Don't wear it, if you don't like it, that simple.

Stop refusing peoples super simple wishes just because of your personal intollerance.

Avoka · March 2019

Digiman wrote: »

My only grip is alot of the animations are tied to the staff, destructive clench animation should work like a crystal frag proc.

This would give the illusion that your wielding the actually magic in tandem with the staff.

It's their job to programm, write, paint and create this game, there is no excuse like animations. They just have to create new ones for specific weapons. That simple. It's what they get paid for.

If the supervisor of a building laborer says, "put a new wall up there in this and that shape", the laborer can't say "but it's not in the plan" eather. It's his job to just do it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXsQAXx_ao0

XxCaLxX · March 2019

Hallothiel wrote: »

A glove to do magic? Please no. That’s just a bit rubbish.

Yeah. Almost as bad as shooting lighting or fire out of the end of a wooden stick....

notyuu · March 2019

Do we want them: yes
Will we get them: No
Why: Zos is lazy

Iskiab · March 2019

There’s a picture of an elf with a 1 hander and orb in the picture for the next expansion. I thought it was all but assured.

Are you guys sure it isn’t coming? I’ll be disappointed if it isn’t.

starkerealm · March 2019

Beardimus wrote: »

- marketing material from Morrowind suggested a 1H & Rune skill line but nope

There was also a datamined skill line. I honestly can't remember if the official press material hinted at it or not. There might have been a vague line about a new skill line, but I can't remember. Though, Morrowind was when they hid most of the skill lines on new characters, so, maybe?

Still, a new weapon skill line where you're using a 1h main-hand and a rune offhand would be pretty cool. Especially if it worked out to be a melee magicka skill line.

Sylvermynx · March 2019

starkerealm wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

- marketing material from Morrowind suggested a 1H & Rune skill line but nope

There was also a datamined skill line. I honestly can't remember if the official press material hinted at it or not. There might have been a vague line about a new skill line, but I can't remember. Though, Morrowind was when they hid most of the skill lines on new characters, so, maybe?

Still, a new weapon skill line where you're using a 1h main-hand and a rune offhand would be pretty cool. Especially if it worked out to be a melee magicka skill line.

Yep. I'd be on for that for sure!

russelmmendoza · March 2019

I always see the elf hero wielding a 1h sword and a magical orb in her other hands.
Every time I login, its zos its showing it to us just to troll us.
Its the wall paper/loging screen for summerset.
I really thought we would have it next, but nope we get the necromancer.

Even at the beginning of eso, the elf hero uses a 1h sword and cast magic using 1 hand.

Best troll ever.

Alucardo · March 2019

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Even at the beginning of eso, the elf hero uses a 1h sword and cast magic using 1 hand.

Best troll ever.

But you can use 1 sword and one barehand.

Peacatcher · March 2019

How would you do light attacks with the glove, wouldn't it just turn into slapping each other?

russelmmendoza · March 2019

Alucardo wrote: »

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Even at the beginning of eso, the elf hero uses a 1h sword and cast magic using 1 hand.

Best troll ever.

But you can use 1 sword and one barehand.

I said use 1h sword and cast magic on the other hand.
Did you not saw the 3 heroes fighting at the white gold tower.
The elf hero uses 1h sword and blast the breton hero with magic using the other hand.

Avoka · March 2019

russelmmendoza wrote: »

I always see the elf hero wielding a 1h sword and a magical orb in her other hands.
Every time I login, its zos its showing it to us just to troll us.
Its the wall paper/loging screen for summerset.
I really thought we would have it next, but nope we get the necromancer.

Even at the beginning of eso, the elf hero uses a 1h sword and cast magic using 1 hand.

Best troll ever.

Naa it's a woodelf (you can see it at the bow on back) with sword and cast on left hand, still, sword and casting thought.

Avoka · March 2019

Peacatcher wrote: »

How would you do light attacks with the glove, wouldn't it just turn into slapping each other?

Ever seen someone hitting around with a stave?
Hope this answeres your question.

Avoka · March 2019

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Even at the beginning of eso, the elf hero uses a 1h sword and cast magic using 1 hand.

Best troll ever.

But you can use 1 sword and one barehand.

I said use 1h sword and cast magic on the other hand.
Did you not saw the 3 heroes fighting at the white gold tower.
The elf hero uses 1h sword and blast the breton hero with magic using the other hand.

In this case, the other hand should be a glove as "weapon" slot. (for implementation into the magic tree)

Avoka · March 2019

starkerealm wrote: »

Still, a new weapon skill line where you're using a 1h main-hand and a rune offhand would be pretty cool. Especially if it worked out to be a melee magicka skill line.

I would be alrdy pleased with just a sword/dagger + glove/orb or glove+glove instead of a stave.
It doesn't need a new skill tree.

And for people who can't image how a glove+glove would deal normal hit dmg, same as a stave with standart magic...........
Same goes for sword/dagger+glove/orb. You even can make a sort of "slice" throwing through the air when swinging the sword, as normal attack in replacement of thrown magic balls or what ever. Similar to Links sword swings in Zelda - Link's Awakening.

(it's at 1:52)

https://youtu.be/7OaizED7-ds?t=112

Iskiab · March 2019

Avoka wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Still, a new weapon skill line where you're using a 1h main-hand and a rune offhand would be pretty cool. Especially if it worked out to be a melee magicka skill line.

I would be alrdy pleased with just a sword/dagger + glove/orb or glove+glove instead of a stave.
It doesn't need a new skill tree.

And for people who can't image how a glove+glove would deal normal hit dmg, same as a stave with standart magic...........
Same goes for sword/dagger+glove/orb. You even can make a sort of "slice" throwing through the air when swinging the sword, as normal attack in replacement of thrown magic balls or what ever. Similar to Links sword swings in Zelda - Link's Awakening.

https://youtu.be/7OaizED7-ds?t=112

I don’t think it’ll happen. PvP is all about reading animations so being able to hide them would be a no no.

I didn’t know the history, and that the one hander and orb picture is a troll, that’s disappointing. Game desperately needs a 1 hander plus orb skill line for melee magicka classes. Sure magdks can make it work, but a nightblade with a staff just looks dumb.

When I first started I refused to use a staff as a magblade. I didn’t like the look and wanted to be a stereotypical stealth magicka person with daggers. After learning mechanics I found out that’s impossible without seriously gimping your dps, I’d love to see a skill line to support melee magicka classes so they don’t have to carry staves.

Avoka · March 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

I don’t think it’ll happen. PvP is all about reading animations so being able to hide them would be a no no.

Sry i don't get this, why should anything be hidden?
Do you think the char will freeze and out of nowhere comes a magic shot or what?

Makes no sense in any possible way.
With that logic, you could say "i can't read out the animation when someone is shooting with his stave or swings his sword". Makes no sense too.

Itzmichi · March 2019

Only legit reason to implement something like that seems to be the introduction of spell crafting, otherwise I wouldn't hold my breath. Maybe next year.

TheShadowScout · March 2019

Avoka wrote: »

Will we finally get sword/dagger/orb/glove for the caster tree with Elseweyr?

Nope, or they would have made a big deal about it.

And I -totally- would have preferred a few more weapon skill lines over a new class!
But that should come as no surprise, considering: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/371862/additional-weapon-skill-ideas-mk-ii/p1

starkerealm wrote: »

Still, a new weapon skill line where you're using a 1h main-hand and a rune offhand would be pretty cool. Especially if it worked out to be a melee magicka skill line.

Exactly!
After all, any skill line of that sort would -have- to be a mix of mid-range magical attacks and magically imbued melee attacks, right? Would be -perfect- to recover that old spellsword feeling, huh? But as I posted above, been there, suggested that...

russelmmendoza wrote: »

I always see the elf hero wielding a 1h sword and a magical orb in her other hands.

Exactly! The warden in the morrowind trailer also goes magic, then draws his sword, so...
...this would have been a -better- addition then necro, but alas... I suspect they ae thinking they cannot hide a weapon skill line behind a paywall like a class without some serioous negative feelings, so... well, maybe they are at least secretly working on it? One can hope, right?

Avoka wrote: »

I would be alrdy pleased with just a sword/dagger + glove/orb or glove+glove instead of a stave.
It doesn't need a new skill tree.

Actually, a "one-handed and magic" setup -would- need a new skill tree. Too different from the "grab your staff with both hands and rub out some fireball into their faces" destro magic we do have, when you go with "hold your sword in one hand and make some magic with the other"...

Though an alternate weapon for the destro and resto skill trees we have... would -also- be a good thing to diversify our characters! Like I mentioned in my discussion mentioned, I would -love- to see a "Spell Focus" that maybe has a bit less range then staves, but a bit more spellpower, and otherwise is using the same skills and mechanics... it would be things like ornate spellbooks, meditation crystals, holy symbols, gemmed skulls, shaman rattles, etc.; all those would make for such nice varietee compared to the bland ole staff things we have...

Avoka · March 2019

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Avoka wrote: »

Will we finally get sword/dagger/orb/glove for the caster tree with Elseweyr?

Nope, or they would have made a big deal about it.

And I -totally- would have preferred a few more weapon skill lines over a new class!
But that should come as no surprise, considering: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/371862/additional-weapon-skill-ideas-mk-ii/p1

starkerealm wrote: »

Still, a new weapon skill line where you're using a 1h main-hand and a rune offhand would be pretty cool. Especially if it worked out to be a melee magicka skill line.

Exactly!
After all, any skill line of that sort would -have- to be a mix of mid-range magical attacks and magically imbued melee attacks, right? Would be -perfect- to recover that old spellsword feeling, huh? But as I posted above, been there, suggested that...

russelmmendoza wrote: »

I always see the elf hero wielding a 1h sword and a magical orb in her other hands.

Exactly! The warden in the morrowind trailer also goes magic, then draws his sword, so...
...this would have been a -better- addition then necro, but alas... I suspect they ae thinking they cannot hide a weapon skill line behind a paywall like a class without some serioous negative feelings, so... well, maybe they are at least secretly working on it? One can hope, right?

Avoka wrote: »

I would be alrdy pleased with just a sword/dagger + glove/orb or glove+glove instead of a stave.
It doesn't need a new skill tree.

Actually, a "one-handed and magic" setup -would- need a new skill tree. Too different from the "grab your staff with both hands and rub out some fireball into their faces" destro magic we do have, when you go with "hold your sword in one hand and make some magic with the other"...

Though an alternate weapon for the destro and resto skill trees we have... would -also- be a good thing to diversify our characters! Like I mentioned in my discussion mentioned, I would -love- to see a "Spell Focus" that maybe has a bit less range then staves, but a bit more spellpower, and otherwise is using the same skills and mechanics... it would be things like ornate spellbooks, meditation crystals, holy symbols, gemmed skulls, shaman rattles, etc.; all those would make for such nice varietee compared to the bland ole staff things we have...

I agree to everything.
But look at Zinemax, they don't care. I'm sure they don't even read through the forum, like Bethesda, they just don't care.
EA once said "We better know what you want." and it's the same with Zenimax.

Thats the reason i try only asking for the minimum, a weapon-skin or new weapon what can replace a stave with minimal work.

Starlock · March 2019

After the changes to 1-handed enchantments that have hit my magicka-melee characters hard, I want this now more than ever.

Avoka · March 2019

Starlock wrote: »

After the changes to 1-handed enchantments that have hit my magicka-melee characters hard, I want this now more than ever.

What you mean?
Did they nerf it or something? I'm not playing since almost around a year anymore, so I'm not up to date.. (wanted to play a magic class because i alrdy lvlt everything physical, but........ staves on a NB or DK, i just can't...)

Also, I'm sure you alrdy heared it before but, melee magic does not exist. I mean, how can it hit you hard when you drop from 6 to 5k dps. Just a wild valuation, but i guess you know what i'm talking about.

todokete · March 2019

Not happening lol

commodore64 · March 2019

I'm looking forward to my Magical Wizard's Sleeve!

josiahva · March 2019

Avoka wrote: »

I want to know if swords/dagger and new "weapons" like orb and glove will be added to the caster tree with the new upcoming addon Elseweyr or in further future.
Atm as caster you only can wear a ugly stave, surely it's the only game a caster is only allowed to wear a stave, even if there is so many fantasy lore about mages and their swords strengthen them up (not to mention orbs).

I'm tired of those staves and tbh, after 5 years i still never played a magic class, because i can't stand those staves.
I know a lot of people would love to see swords and other magic-affinity sorts of weapons, to replace the stave.

I wish. Then DPS might stop trying to take away my tanking ice staff as another DPS weapon.