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Should Cloak scale up in cost and stall magicka regeneration like streak?
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Colecovision✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoI'd be for a nerf of some kind if they don't ruin dark cloak in the process. Your nerf is too extreme.
Why does everyone hate cloak so much? I find it extremely annoying, but I never die to a cloak spammer. Are the players that are asking for the nerfs fed up with the annoyance or are you actually dying to this?0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoThis is destroy cloak for magblades, not stamblades.
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It is more, I cannot figure out how to use the counters, or choose not to, so lets just nerf it. It really is that simple.Colecovision wrote: »Why does everyone hate cloak so much? I find it extremely annoying, but I never die to a cloak spammer. Are the players that are asking for the nerfs fed up with the annoyance or are you actually dying to this?
Those that hate cloak so much are those who either choose to not figure out how to use the counters or plain choose to not use them.
Some people just think if it is to much of a challenge for them it should be nerfed to their level.Edited by idk on March 14, 2019 10:54PM3 -
Illuvatarr✭✭✭✭✭MaybeThis is destroy cloak for magblades, not stamblades.
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It is more, I cannot figure out how to use the counters, or choose not to, so lets just nerf it. It really is that simple.Colecovision wrote: »Why does everyone hate cloak so much? I find it extremely annoying, but I never die to a cloak spammer. Are the players that are asking for the nerfs fed up with the annoyance or are you actually dying to this?
Those that hate cloak so much are those who either choose to not figure out how to use the counters or plain choose to not use them.
Some people just think if it is to much of a challenge for them it should be nerfed to their level.
My minor issue with it is that it allows players to not pay consequences for their bad decisions especially if they are a vampire.
My major issue with it is that it has fundamentally changed the landscape of pvp for the worse in this game. Half of cyrodill is nightblades now spamming it. It makes for an exhausting, annoying and unfun gaming experience. The constant spam of bow arrows/draining shot from gankblades while you are trying to enjoy the game and then not being able to kill them quickly because they are spamming cloak only to have them appear again and repeat. It’s horrible/silly implementation and it holds up/ruins the gaming experience for those who don’t have it so as a result they roll nightblades as well thus exacerbating the problem.
Edited by Illuvatarr on March 15, 2019 12:50AM4 -
hakan✭✭✭✭✭NoHow the hell stamblade "spams cloak" btw? You need to come closer with cloak anyway so thats 1-2 cloak uses. after the fight you have like 1-2 uses left to escape. even as a darkelf snb, it isnt very spammable.
not to mention, you dont have instant gap opener between the enemy and you dont stun him/her also. it works different compared to streak, tho i dont approve streak nerf either.1 -
dazee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Maybeyes BUT it should cost a percentage of max magicka so its usable on stam builds too in case you want it.Playing your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.0 -
fullheartcontainer✭✭✭✭✭Hell YesThose that hate cloak so much are those who either choose to not figure out how to use the counters or plain choose to not use them.
People use counters. The counters should be buffed. They sure as hell don't work most of the time. High cost, guesswork, small area of effect. A lot of times even if you have a counter going, it just won't workEdited by fullheartcontainer on March 15, 2019 4:04AM9 -
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✭MaybeSomething needs to be done with cloak but i just dont think this is the answer.0 -
Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭YesNarvuntien wrote: »Perhaps give it a wind-up time? so you don't get instant stealth but you'll stealth if you don't take damage for a short period of time so you have to break line of sight first?
Yeah, the wind up time on sorc shields worked out great.
The only thing they need to do is stop cloak spam when you're in the radius of a detect pot. Each cast of cloak causes projectiles to miss, when you're right there in front of me. Fix that bug already.
That's the only thing that needs to be fixed. Maybe add the increasing cost ONLY when cast under mage light or a detect pot?Edited by Minalan on March 15, 2019 6:37AM3 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoIlluvatarr wrote: »This is destroy cloak for magblades, not stamblades.
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It is more, I cannot figure out how to use the counters, or choose not to, so lets just nerf it. It really is that simple.Colecovision wrote: »Why does everyone hate cloak so much? I find it extremely annoying, but I never die to a cloak spammer. Are the players that are asking for the nerfs fed up with the annoyance or are you actually dying to this?
Those that hate cloak so much are those who either choose to not figure out how to use the counters or plain choose to not use them.
Some people just think if it is to much of a challenge for them it should be nerfed to their level.
My minor issue with it is that it allows players to not pay consequences for their bad decisions especially if they are a vampire.
My major issue with it is that it has fundamentally changed the landscape of pvp for the worse in this game. Half of cyrodill is nightblades now spamming it. It makes for an exhausting, annoying and unfun gaming experience. The constant spam of bow arrows/draining shot from gankblades while you are trying to enjoy the game and then not being able to kill them quickly because they are spamming cloak only to have them appear again and repeat. It’s horrible/silly implementation and it holds up/ruins the gaming experience for those who don’t have it so as a result they roll nightblades as well thus exacerbating the problem.
The only thing that has changed on this subject is we have more counters to cloak and cloak has been nerfed twice, iirc. I know at least once.
There are more that gank than just NBs for starters and there are probably better ways to take care of gankers than to nerf an entire class. This sounds more like an excuse again.1 -
Aedrion✭✭✭✭✭MaybeOne thing this topic did is reveal all the forumblades who think their class is balanced and they're good players when in actuality, Stamblade is OP as f4ck and requires only half a brain to play.
Cloak IS a problem, otherwise it wouldn't be such a returning point of contention.
Personally though, I think it needs to either stop suppressing DoT's OR it needs to stop all healing.
Magblade is another story. They just need something more than cloak to be good at anything.Edited by Aedrion on March 15, 2019 6:49AM7 -
Illuvatarr✭✭✭✭✭MaybeIlluvatarr wrote: »This is destroy cloak for magblades, not stamblades.
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It is more, I cannot figure out how to use the counters, or choose not to, so lets just nerf it. It really is that simple.Colecovision wrote: »Why does everyone hate cloak so much? I find it extremely annoying, but I never die to a cloak spammer. Are the players that are asking for the nerfs fed up with the annoyance or are you actually dying to this?
Those that hate cloak so much are those who either choose to not figure out how to use the counters or plain choose to not use them.
Some people just think if it is to much of a challenge for them it should be nerfed to their level.
My minor issue with it is that it allows players to not pay consequences for their bad decisions especially if they are a vampire.
My major issue with it is that it has fundamentally changed the landscape of pvp for the worse in this game. Half of cyrodill is nightblades now spamming it. It makes for an exhausting, annoying and unfun gaming experience. The constant spam of bow arrows/draining shot from gankblades while you are trying to enjoy the game and then not being able to kill them quickly because they are spamming cloak only to have them appear again and repeat. It’s horrible/silly implementation and it holds up/ruins the gaming experience for those who don’t have it so as a result they roll nightblades as well thus exacerbating the problem.
The only thing that has changed on this subject is we have more counters to cloak and cloak has been nerfed twice, iirc. I know at least once.
There are more that gank than just NBs for starters and there are probably better ways to take care of gankers than to nerf an entire class. This sounds more like an excuse again.
To be honest. I dont really care what you think it sounds like or whatever myopic lens you see the world through that makes you think there is a motive behind a legitimate concern. Numbers and data speak volumes and it isn’t hyperbole or situational irony to observe the sheer number of nightblades in Cyrodiil and connect the dots. Balance would imply that nightblades comprise 20 percent (with statistical error) of the pvp population. That is obviously not the case. I don’t believe in nerfing classes with an iron fist and I certainly don’t think it is fair to penalize players for poor game design. So I am not sure what can be done. I do know the pvp landscape has changed because of it and it’s my belief that change has been negative. If a player is crutching on one skill than you can reasonably say it may be a skill issue. If the majority of players are doing it, than it is a design issue. This is the same issue with dks with fossilize and wings. Two skills put in place to cover up for what is otherwise a lackluster and mediocre class toolkit. Nightblades need a viable and strong class survivability package; just not sure if cloak as currently implemented should be the answer.
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Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoSounds like a change that would hurt magblades more than stamblades. How about suggesting changes that mainly target stamblades if you want a nighblade nerf? (Magblades doesn´t need nerfs, but the opposite)1 -
hakan✭✭✭✭✭NoIlluvatarr wrote: »Illuvatarr wrote: »This is destroy cloak for magblades, not stamblades.
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It is more, I cannot figure out how to use the counters, or choose not to, so lets just nerf it. It really is that simple.Colecovision wrote: »Why does everyone hate cloak so much? I find it extremely annoying, but I never die to a cloak spammer. Are the players that are asking for the nerfs fed up with the annoyance or are you actually dying to this?
Those that hate cloak so much are those who either choose to not figure out how to use the counters or plain choose to not use them.
Some people just think if it is to much of a challenge for them it should be nerfed to their level.
My minor issue with it is that it allows players to not pay consequences for their bad decisions especially if they are a vampire.
My major issue with it is that it has fundamentally changed the landscape of pvp for the worse in this game. Half of cyrodill is nightblades now spamming it. It makes for an exhausting, annoying and unfun gaming experience. The constant spam of bow arrows/draining shot from gankblades while you are trying to enjoy the game and then not being able to kill them quickly because they are spamming cloak only to have them appear again and repeat. It’s horrible/silly implementation and it holds up/ruins the gaming experience for those who don’t have it so as a result they roll nightblades as well thus exacerbating the problem.
The only thing that has changed on this subject is we have more counters to cloak and cloak has been nerfed twice, iirc. I know at least once.
There are more that gank than just NBs for starters and there are probably better ways to take care of gankers than to nerf an entire class. This sounds more like an excuse again.
To be honest. I dont really care what you think it sounds like or whatever myopic lens you see the world through that makes you think there is a motive behind a legitimate concern. Numbers and data speak volumes and it isn’t hyperbole or situational irony to observe the sheer number of nightblades in Cyrodiil and connect the dots. Balance would imply that nightblades comprise 20 percent (with statistical error) of the pvp population. That is obviously not the case. I don’t believe in nerfing classes with an iron fist and I certainly don’t think it is fair to penalize players for poor game design. So I am not sure what can be done. I do know the pvp landscape has changed because of it and it’s my belief that change has been negative. If a player is crutching on one skill than you can reasonably say it may be a skill issue. If the majority of players are doing it, than it is a design issue. This is the same issue with dks with fossilize and wings. Two skills put in place to cover up for what is otherwise a lackluster and mediocre class toolkit. Nightblades need a viable and strong class survivability package; just not sure if cloak as currently implemented should be the answer.
5 class and 20 percent too much? Where do you get these numbers?
im pretty sure there are more sorcs than nbs, which in your opinion would be more OP than nb.0 -
Illuvatarr✭✭✭✭✭MaybeIlluvatarr wrote: »Illuvatarr wrote: »This is destroy cloak for magblades, not stamblades.
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It is more, I cannot figure out how to use the counters, or choose not to, so lets just nerf it. It really is that simple.Colecovision wrote: »Why does everyone hate cloak so much? I find it extremely annoying, but I never die to a cloak spammer. Are the players that are asking for the nerfs fed up with the annoyance or are you actually dying to this?
Those that hate cloak so much are those who either choose to not figure out how to use the counters or plain choose to not use them.
Some people just think if it is to much of a challenge for them it should be nerfed to their level.
My minor issue with it is that it allows players to not pay consequences for their bad decisions especially if they are a vampire.
My major issue with it is that it has fundamentally changed the landscape of pvp for the worse in this game. Half of cyrodill is nightblades now spamming it. It makes for an exhausting, annoying and unfun gaming experience. The constant spam of bow arrows/draining shot from gankblades while you are trying to enjoy the game and then not being able to kill them quickly because they are spamming cloak only to have them appear again and repeat. It’s horrible/silly implementation and it holds up/ruins the gaming experience for those who don’t have it so as a result they roll nightblades as well thus exacerbating the problem.
The only thing that has changed on this subject is we have more counters to cloak and cloak has been nerfed twice, iirc. I know at least once.
There are more that gank than just NBs for starters and there are probably better ways to take care of gankers than to nerf an entire class. This sounds more like an excuse again.
To be honest. I dont really care what you think it sounds like or whatever myopic lens you see the world through that makes you think there is a motive behind a legitimate concern. Numbers and data speak volumes and it isn’t hyperbole or situational irony to observe the sheer number of nightblades in Cyrodiil and connect the dots. Balance would imply that nightblades comprise 20 percent (with statistical error) of the pvp population. That is obviously not the case. I don’t believe in nerfing classes with an iron fist and I certainly don’t think it is fair to penalize players for poor game design. So I am not sure what can be done. I do know the pvp landscape has changed because of it and it’s my belief that change has been negative. If a player is crutching on one skill than you can reasonably say it may be a skill issue. If the majority of players are doing it, than it is a design issue. This is the same issue with dks with fossilize and wings. Two skills put in place to cover up for what is otherwise a lackluster and mediocre class toolkit. Nightblades need a viable and strong class survivability package; just not sure if cloak as currently implemented should be the answer.
5 class and 20 percent too much? Where do you get these numbers?
im pretty sure there are more sorcs than nbs, which in your opinion would be more OP than nb.
There are five classes. 100 percent divided by 5 is 20 percent. The number of sorcs is irrelevant and not pertinent to the post topic. That fact notwithstanding, there are many more nightblades playing than sorcs, especially mag sorcs, so not sure where you are getting that. Just hop on Vivek and have a moment of clarity/honesty. You will notice I didn’t say cloak is op. Reread what I said.
Edited by Illuvatarr on March 15, 2019 1:17PM1 -
Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NoGankers will ever be able to gank you, with or without cloak. Nerf cloak and everyone will jump into invis pots, which are worst than cloak since they last much more and have 0 cost in terms of resources.
You are supposed to die to a NB if you don't pay attention to the way you play. You are supposed to easily kill a NB if you have at least half an idea of what that NB could do to you, or at least put him/her in the run.
And I'm not talking about counters, I'm talking about having in mind the chance of dying anytime.
By the way, with my DK I can gank people worse than with my NB, just pulling them from their horses using unrelenting grip. A NB stuns you from afar, a DK stuns you and you end up at his/her feets.Edited by Xvorg on March 15, 2019 5:06PMSarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
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Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It makes no logical sense to me that streak would have a stack cost associated with it and cloak does not. That said, I would rather them remove it from streak than add it to cloak. Cloak is the most overpowered defensive tool in the game in PVP, and yes, I play NB from time to time.2 -
Anyron✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesSaying cloak is ok isn't right.
But nerfing it in any way can be hard without destroying magNB. Base cost increase could do it but it doesn't matter if you cast it only 2-3x rather than 5X (now)
Good idea is to buff detection skills and potions. I play my main magsorc build to be NBhunter ( i am not saying i can always kill them) and i know how hard is to detect skilled Nightblade even when you are focused to detect it. And nothing is more irritating than Nb jumps to invis. with low health and appears full health after.
Here is my proposal
While invisible, you are immune to healing ( like mist form), health recovery is stopped and Magicka Recovery is reduced by 50%
This can solve previous problems without destroying magicka Nb ( you can still spam it, but you cant heal yourself while invisible)
And then change Mirage (blur) to be self-heal of 60% strength of templar breath-of-life
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Wompatom✭NoBefore I go on...yes I play a Stam NB. A pretty solid one at that (in PvP at least).
I get pulled out of cloak ALL THE TIME. Almost every time I fight a competent player in a BG they can bring me out of cloak 50-70% of the time. It takes precise timing, positioning and resource management to successfully cloak for the full duration and it took me a damn long time to get it down.
It amazes me how many counters to cloak this game provides and there are still all these people that don't use them. There's so many that I'm not even going to bother listing them. If you choose to not run a cloak counter, then you have to live with the consequences of that choice.
For the record, my PvP build has no AoE skills or Mark Target and I have just as hard a time with other NB's as other classes do. I made that choice so I deal with it. That's the beauty of a game like this is that you get to make the choices as to which will be your character's strengths AND weaknesses. You can't have it all.
It's funny how people talk about cloak being the best defensive ability in the game when I've come across countless players that can out heal all my burst and still do enough damage to kill me if I'm not careful. I'm not saying nerf healers or tanks, I don't have a problem with them at all. That's their strength. Cloak is ours. Learn to counter.
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Anyron✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesBefore I go on...yes I play a Stam NB. A pretty solid one at that (in PvP at least).
I get pulled out of cloak ALL THE TIME. Almost every time I fight a competent player in a BG they can bring me out of cloak 50-70% of the time. It takes precise timing, positioning and resource management to successfully cloak for the full duration and it took me a damn long time to get it down.
It amazes me how many counters to cloak this game provides and there are still all these people that don't use them. There's so many that I'm not even going to bother listing them. If you choose to not run a cloak counter, then you have to live with the consequences of that choice.
For the record, my PvP build has no AoE skills or Mark Target and I have just as hard a time with other NB's as other classes do. I made that choice so I deal with it. That's the beauty of a game like this is that you get to make the choices as to which will be your character's strengths AND weaknesses. You can't have it all.
It's funny how people talk about cloak being the best defensive ability in the game when I've come across countless players that can out heal all my burst and still do enough damage to kill me if I'm not careful. I'm not saying nerf healers or tanks, I don't have a problem with them at all. That's their strength. Cloak is ours. Learn to counter.
Only real counter is detection potion which lasts 12s with 45s cooldown.
Other counters, like magelight or evil Hunter - their reveal area is joke. You rather drain your magicka/stamina than reveal Nb . If i have to choose to slot this or nothing i take nothing. I tried both morphs of mage light, i tried revealing Flare ( it takes milenium until it touches ground). I tried aoes like streak - (other morph is better for sorcs btw). Slotting aoes like wall of elements ( for pvp its just stupid skill) isnt even worth it.
Soul Assault has invisibility inhibitor on it for 2 seconds. Sad is its for first tick. So you can break that beam. And 2 seconds is nothing.
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoIlluvatarr wrote: »Illuvatarr wrote: »This is destroy cloak for magblades, not stamblades.
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It is more, I cannot figure out how to use the counters, or choose not to, so lets just nerf it. It really is that simple.Colecovision wrote: »Why does everyone hate cloak so much? I find it extremely annoying, but I never die to a cloak spammer. Are the players that are asking for the nerfs fed up with the annoyance or are you actually dying to this?
Those that hate cloak so much are those who either choose to not figure out how to use the counters or plain choose to not use them.
Some people just think if it is to much of a challenge for them it should be nerfed to their level.
My minor issue with it is that it allows players to not pay consequences for their bad decisions especially if they are a vampire.
My major issue with it is that it has fundamentally changed the landscape of pvp for the worse in this game. Half of cyrodill is nightblades now spamming it. It makes for an exhausting, annoying and unfun gaming experience. The constant spam of bow arrows/draining shot from gankblades while you are trying to enjoy the game and then not being able to kill them quickly because they are spamming cloak only to have them appear again and repeat. It’s horrible/silly implementation and it holds up/ruins the gaming experience for those who don’t have it so as a result they roll nightblades as well thus exacerbating the problem.
The only thing that has changed on this subject is we have more counters to cloak and cloak has been nerfed twice, iirc. I know at least once.
There are more that gank than just NBs for starters and there are probably better ways to take care of gankers than to nerf an entire class. This sounds more like an excuse again.
Numbers and data speak volumes and it isn’t hyperbole or situational irony to observe the sheer number of nightblades in Cyrodiil and connect the dots.
What numbers and data are you providing here? I have yet to see any. If you are going to play that card I do expect to see actual numbers and real data presented instead of hyperbole about them.
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Kelces✭✭✭✭✭MaybeIt might be interesting to see a revival of the old cloak morph and have it get the proposed "fatigue". I guess that could work for everyone, since to me at least it was always a mostly defensive ability, just as "bolt escape" and respective morphs are.You reveal yourself best in how you play.
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Illuvatarr✭✭✭✭✭MaybeIlluvatarr wrote: »Illuvatarr wrote: »This is destroy cloak for magblades, not stamblades.
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It is more, I cannot figure out how to use the counters, or choose not to, so lets just nerf it. It really is that simple.Colecovision wrote: »Why does everyone hate cloak so much? I find it extremely annoying, but I never die to a cloak spammer. Are the players that are asking for the nerfs fed up with the annoyance or are you actually dying to this?
Those that hate cloak so much are those who either choose to not figure out how to use the counters or plain choose to not use them.
Some people just think if it is to much of a challenge for them it should be nerfed to their level.
My minor issue with it is that it allows players to not pay consequences for their bad decisions especially if they are a vampire.
My major issue with it is that it has fundamentally changed the landscape of pvp for the worse in this game. Half of cyrodill is nightblades now spamming it. It makes for an exhausting, annoying and unfun gaming experience. The constant spam of bow arrows/draining shot from gankblades while you are trying to enjoy the game and then not being able to kill them quickly because they are spamming cloak only to have them appear again and repeat. It’s horrible/silly implementation and it holds up/ruins the gaming experience for those who don’t have it so as a result they roll nightblades as well thus exacerbating the problem.
The only thing that has changed on this subject is we have more counters to cloak and cloak has been nerfed twice, iirc. I know at least once.
There are more that gank than just NBs for starters and there are probably better ways to take care of gankers than to nerf an entire class. This sounds more like an excuse again.
Numbers and data speak volumes and it isn’t hyperbole or situational irony to observe the sheer number of nightblades in Cyrodiil and connect the dots.
What numbers and data are you providing here? I have yet to see any. If you are going to play that card I do expect to see actual numbers and real data presented instead of hyperbole about them.
Expectation noted. Thanks.
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✭✭✭✭✭NoIlluvatarr wrote: »Illuvatarr wrote: »Illuvatarr wrote: »This is destroy cloak for magblades, not stamblades.
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It is more, I cannot figure out how to use the counters, or choose not to, so lets just nerf it. It really is that simple.Colecovision wrote: »Why does everyone hate cloak so much? I find it extremely annoying, but I never die to a cloak spammer. Are the players that are asking for the nerfs fed up with the annoyance or are you actually dying to this?
Those that hate cloak so much are those who either choose to not figure out how to use the counters or plain choose to not use them.
Some people just think if it is to much of a challenge for them it should be nerfed to their level.
My minor issue with it is that it allows players to not pay consequences for their bad decisions especially if they are a vampire.
My major issue with it is that it has fundamentally changed the landscape of pvp for the worse in this game. Half of cyrodill is nightblades now spamming it. It makes for an exhausting, annoying and unfun gaming experience. The constant spam of bow arrows/draining shot from gankblades while you are trying to enjoy the game and then not being able to kill them quickly because they are spamming cloak only to have them appear again and repeat. It’s horrible/silly implementation and it holds up/ruins the gaming experience for those who don’t have it so as a result they roll nightblades as well thus exacerbating the problem.
The only thing that has changed on this subject is we have more counters to cloak and cloak has been nerfed twice, iirc. I know at least once.
There are more that gank than just NBs for starters and there are probably better ways to take care of gankers than to nerf an entire class. This sounds more like an excuse again.
Numbers and data speak volumes and it isn’t hyperbole or situational irony to observe the sheer number of nightblades in Cyrodiil and connect the dots.
What numbers and data are you providing here? I have yet to see any. If you are going to play that card I do expect to see actual numbers and real data presented instead of hyperbole about them.
Expectation noted. Thanks.
Glad to help since it is a pretty basic thing that without it your entire previous reply to me was void of value and appears to just argue for the sake of arguing as a result.Edited by idk on March 15, 2019 11:08PM1 -
Illuvatarr✭✭✭✭✭MaybeIlluvatarr wrote: »Illuvatarr wrote: »Illuvatarr wrote: »This is destroy cloak for magblades, not stamblades.
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It is more, I cannot figure out how to use the counters, or choose not to, so lets just nerf it. It really is that simple.Colecovision wrote: »Why does everyone hate cloak so much? I find it extremely annoying, but I never die to a cloak spammer. Are the players that are asking for the nerfs fed up with the annoyance or are you actually dying to this?
Those that hate cloak so much are those who either choose to not figure out how to use the counters or plain choose to not use them.
Some people just think if it is to much of a challenge for them it should be nerfed to their level.
My minor issue with it is that it allows players to not pay consequences for their bad decisions especially if they are a vampire.
My major issue with it is that it has fundamentally changed the landscape of pvp for the worse in this game. Half of cyrodill is nightblades now spamming it. It makes for an exhausting, annoying and unfun gaming experience. The constant spam of bow arrows/draining shot from gankblades while you are trying to enjoy the game and then not being able to kill them quickly because they are spamming cloak only to have them appear again and repeat. It’s horrible/silly implementation and it holds up/ruins the gaming experience for those who don’t have it so as a result they roll nightblades as well thus exacerbating the problem.
The only thing that has changed on this subject is we have more counters to cloak and cloak has been nerfed twice, iirc. I know at least once.
There are more that gank than just NBs for starters and there are probably better ways to take care of gankers than to nerf an entire class. This sounds more like an excuse again.
Numbers and data speak volumes and it isn’t hyperbole or situational irony to observe the sheer number of nightblades in Cyrodiil and connect the dots.
What numbers and data are you providing here? I have yet to see any. If you are going to play that card I do expect to see actual numbers and real data presented instead of hyperbole about them.
Expectation noted. Thanks.
Glad to help since it is a pretty basic thing that without it your entire previous reply to me was void of value and appears to just argue for the sake of arguing as a result.
Find a way for me to collect the weekly logins by class and which of those pvp in Cyrodiil and happy to help you out. Like the Kennedy shooting/Zapruder film, sometimes visual evidence is compelling. Maybe just look around the next time you are in Cyro.
Edited by Illuvatarr on March 16, 2019 12:11AM0 -
ccmedaddy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No more nerfsNo need for nerfs. But I do think cloak is very strong and automatically precludes all NB main from complaining about other classes.1 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭YesI would rather them admitting their lazyness and fix the ability. My dots being ignored is not fair apart from everything else.3 -
kollege14a5✭✭✭Maybemaybe if you use it every 1 or 2sec so you cant really spam it anymore but you still will be able to cloak most of the time so counters are more efficent0
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Kadoin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NoIt should instead not nullify attacks.
EDIT:fullheartcontainer wrote: »Those that hate cloak so much are those who either choose to not figure out how to use the counters or plain choose to not use them.
People use counters. The counters should be buffed. They sure as hell don't work most of the time. High cost, guesswork, small area of effect. A lot of times even if you have a counter going, it just won't work
Looks like that guy knows how to "use" cloak.
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✭✭✭✭✭NoAbsolutely not. It would completely ruin the ability.
ESO players hate to run counters and then *** about the consequences. L2P.1
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