Should Cloak scale up in cost and stall magicka regeneration like streak?

Illuvatarr

Alucardo

No

As much as I HATE stamblades with cloak, it would hurt magblades who already took a hit with the healing ward nerf.

Narvuntien

Perhaps give it a wind-up time? so you don't get instant stealth but you'll stealth if you don't take damage for a short period of time so you have to break line of sight first?

WuffyCerulei

No more nerfs

I just don’t want it affecting my NB tank’s main heal, Dark Cloak, which IS a morph of Shadow Cloak.

Everstorm

No

There is more to this game than your Cyrodiil traumas.

Kuramas9tails

No more nerfs

Sorcs have a class shield ability which can stack with other shields.

Nighblades do not. Think of cloak as the NB's version of a shield. And with the nerf of Annulment for Mageblades, cloak in PVP is even more dire.

MartiniDaniels

No more nerfs

There are TON of ways to counter-act cloak.

Silver_Strider

No

Give me a damage shield and/or a good self heal that isn't tank based and then we'll talk.

Rikumaru

Hell Yes

If you are broken from cloak, you should be punished for it. Instead people can just recast it without a problem. As for magblades having the short end of the stick with this, they shouldn't even be balanced around relying on cloak in the first place.

Xvorg

No

Rikumaru wrote: »

If you are broken from cloak, you should be punished for it. Instead people can just recast it without a problem. As for magblades having the short end of the stick with this, they shouldn't even be balanced around relying on cloak in the first place.

Not really, when you are broken from cloak because a pot or a detection skill, you cannor recloak again. You can do that only if you are detected through an AoE and proven you are out of the range of it.

Cloak is the basic skill of NBs. Nerfing it will nerf the entire class, forcing stamblades to become bleed tanks and mageblades to be deleted.

Seraphayel

Hell Yes

It should work like Mist Form:

Entering this form removes and grants immunity to all disabling and immobilization effects, but you cannot be healed and your Magicka Recovery is disabled.

The most important thing for me is healing suppression as long as Cloak is active. A NB healing up while cloaked is the biggest problem. Make it impossible and Cloak will be fine.

Starlock

No

Streak shouldn't have had this added in the first place, much less giving it to cloak. The escalating cost to streak is a textbook example of PvP ruining PvE fun. I do not want to see the same happen to cloak, especially since my professional thief character is as amazing as she is because she can cloak on command. That's not to say I couldn't play her without it, but it'd get considerably more difficult. There would be no point to having my primary thief be a nightblade at all if cloak was changed.

Rikumaru

Hell Yes

Xvorg wrote: »

Rikumaru wrote: »

If you are broken from cloak, you should be punished for it. Instead people can just recast it without a problem. As for magblades having the short end of the stick with this, they shouldn't even be balanced around relying on cloak in the first place.

Not really, when you are broken from cloak because a pot or a detection skill, you cannor recloak again. You can do that only if you are detected through an AoE and proven you are out of the range of it.

Cloak is the basic skill of NBs. Nerfing it will nerf the entire class, forcing stamblades to become bleed tanks and mageblades to be deleted.

Stamblades would be fine running medium still even with a cloak nerf and magblades need buffs in other areas. I say this as someone who mostly plays these two classes. Imo it's stupid that you can spam it over and over without much downside, there's a reason that streak has a cost increase. Also you can recloak when detected by a potion it's just that you can see the enemy.

Tommy_The_Gun

No

For that you would have to add something to it. The thing is, with streak you can get away from your opponent quickly. With cloak you simply become invisible and you have to run away in a least obvious and predictable way. So in terms of "getting away" from your opponent it takes much more time.
Oh and the most important part: Streak, unlike cloak does not have direct counter mechanism that prevent you from "streaking"

LordTareq

Sure, but then make it not break from AOE damage to compensate.

Dracan_Fontom

No

Narvuntien wrote: »

Perhaps give it a wind-up time? so you don't get instant stealth but you'll stealth if you don't take damage for a short period of time so you have to break line of sight first?

Can we give sorcs a cast time for shields again?

redspecter23

Yes

I think they could go this way. If they do give it this treatment, I'd like to see the duration increased. That way, if you cast it only once, it's a buff. If you have to cast it multiple times in succession (you got caught) then you start to pay way more quickly.

Xvorg

No

Rikumaru wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Rikumaru wrote: »

If you are broken from cloak, you should be punished for it. Instead people can just recast it without a problem. As for magblades having the short end of the stick with this, they shouldn't even be balanced around relying on cloak in the first place.

Not really, when you are broken from cloak because a pot or a detection skill, you cannor recloak again. You can do that only if you are detected through an AoE and proven you are out of the range of it.

Cloak is the basic skill of NBs. Nerfing it will nerf the entire class, forcing stamblades to become bleed tanks and mageblades to be deleted.

Stamblades would be fine running medium still even with a cloak nerf and magblades need buffs in other areas. I say this as someone who mostly plays these two classes. Imo it's stupid that you can spam it over and over without much downside, there's a reason that streak has a cost increase. Also you can recloak when detected by a potion it's just that you can see the enemy.

But you are not spamming a dmg skill. Combined with the skill ste it can become really strong, but that needs skill. Same as a soc needs skill to keep his/her shields up.

Even today I haven's seen any NB kill someone just with cloak. Cloak is just part of the rotation, same as foss or Talons on a DK.

And I agree @Starlock, the increased cost of streak was a stupid nerf back in the day, so doing something stupid again is not going to solve any issue.

Xvorg

No

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

For that you would have to add something to it. The thing is, with streak you can get away from your opponent quickly. With cloak you simply become invisible and you have to run away in a least obvious and predictable way. So in terms of "getting away" from your opponent it takes much more time.
Oh and the most important part: Streak, unlike cloak does not have direct counter mechanism that prevent you from "streaking"

which was the solution instead of the increased cost

Narvuntien

Dracan_Fontom wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

Perhaps give it a wind-up time? so you don't get instant stealth but you'll stealth if you don't take damage for a short period of time so you have to break line of sight first?

Can we give sorcs a cast time for shields again?

Cast time and Arm time are different you wouldn't be stuck in a channel you'll just pop into stealth after a delay provided you can avoid damage. Obviously, plenty of DoT skills would then prevent you from entering stealth. It makes using stealth very tactical.

I'd probably give it some other bonus to try to offset such a nerf lower cost certainly perhaps longer duration.

Dracan_Fontom

No

Narvuntien wrote: »

Dracan_Fontom wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

Perhaps give it a wind-up time? so you don't get instant stealth but you'll stealth if you don't take damage for a short period of time so you have to break line of sight first?

Can we give sorcs a cast time for shields again?

Cast time and Arm time are different you wouldn't be stuck in a channel you'll just pop into stealth after a delay provided you can avoid damage. Obviously, plenty of DoT skills would then prevent you from entering stealth. It makes using stealth very tactical.

I'd probably give it some other bonus to try to offset such a nerf lower cost certainly perhaps longer duration.

That's essentially the same thing. You are delaying the activation of a skill, similar to how a cast time is. And doing this would make cloak almost impossible to use in any practical encounter. Tactical =/= Butchering of a Skill

ATomiX96

Yes

The amount of cloaking stamina based nightblades can do is just ridiculous, like 5 consecutive cloaks are no rarity, show me a stamina based sorcerer that can streak more than twice.
Also the argument AOE breaks cloak is invalid, gap-closers also nullify streaks effect.
And it also shouldnt completely ignore all damage over time effects just because you pressed 1 button that also happens to make you invisible.
Stamblades shouldnt be able to cloak more than 2-3 times, Magblades could still cloak 5-6 times same like Magsorcs can streak 5-6 times.
Cant wait to see the detect pot argument 20 times in this thread until people realize that you have your potion on cooldown most of the time and until its off cooldown again the nightblade is already gone across half cyrodiil.

Gilvoth

No

these threads created for the purpose to destroy nightblades skills is getting really old, and annoying.
it is very hard to learn to play and be successfull as a nightblade, we die Very easily and our stealth and invisibility is the only thing keeps us protected.

Sureshawt

No more nerfs

I'd change my mind if the roughly 13 different ways to counter cloak are removed especially the spammable AoE

Dojohoda

No

When cloak aoe stuns and damages and when it can't be broken, then we can talk.

Grandma

Yes

yeah, i'm just sick of nightblades.

idk

No

No, and the reason is there are multipole counters to cloak and they work well. Streak has no counters.

So to suggest such changes because you choose to not use the counters, or are challenged for whatever reason, is just an excuse. It is better to improve ones gameplay than to ask for the game to be nerfed to your level of play.

Edit: I say that as someone who enjoys pulling NBs out of stealth and killing them. I know how easy it can be once one figures out how to do it. Yes, some get away, but who gets 100% kills, and some players are more skilled than others, but that is what I am already saying.

psychotic13

Hell Yes

Hell yes, magblade should be compensated though

Nord_Raseri

Hell Yes

I meant no more nerfs. I don't use that skill on my stamblade, and I absolutely hate cloak spammers, but I refuse to call for nerfs. instead, I'd rather have more reliable counters.

likecats

No

This is destroy cloak for magblades, not stamblades.

If you want to nerf cloak mostly for stamblades, and less for magblades, then increase the base cost. Balance it to a very specific cost so it only allows majority of stamblades X number of cloaks.

InvictusApollo

No more nerfs

Alucardo wrote: »

As much as I HATE stamblades with cloak, it would hurt magblades who already took a hit with the healing ward nerf.

Exactly that. Magblades don't have burst healing other than dark cloak. Nerfing Shadowy Disguise would make them unplayable.

What we actually need is buffing inner light etc.