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So whats the new racial meta?
Bobby_V_Rockit
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I’ve been gone since Monster Hunter and Fallout, but bored of those now and coming home to ESO. I see there are racial changes... is the old “best race for xxx” still applicable or was it shaken up?
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Vietfox✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Run whatever you want.
I personally make my own builds without caring if they are meta or not.
They might not have the highest dps or best heals, but they do the job and at least i can play and enjoy the game without being worried about farming new gear every few months.13 -
Digiman✭✭✭✭✭Yeah run what ever you want builds are the only thing that matter in this game, all racials do is give you a slight edge in certain ones.1 -
AngelFires333✭✭✭✭✭Run whatever you want.
I personally make my own builds without caring if they are meta or not.
They might not have the highest dps or best heals, but they do the job and at least i can play and enjoy the game without being worried about farming new gear every few months.
Agreed.
I'm pretty sure these games were created for entertainment. Not a pathway to the higher universal secrets of life.
Folks are becoming unnecessarily serious.2 -
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✭✭Since nobody bothers to answer your question OP.
Stam dps Orc
Mag dps altmer
Tank, same as before.
Healer Breton.
Dunmer is second on both mag and stam dps.
Overall the differences are fairly small. So you don't need to run let's say an orc stam blade. Khajiit, bosmer , Redguard will do just as fine. Just a few thousand dps behind. Talking 1-5k here. Not that big of a deal if you are not in a competitive leaderboard guild.Edited by xMovingTarget on March 12, 2019 3:31PM12 -
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✭Argonian. Hasn't changed at all
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martijnlv40✭✭✭xMovingTarget wrote: »Since nobody bothers to answer your question OP.
Stam dps Orc
Mag dps altmer
Tank, same as before.
Healer Breton.
Dunmer is second on both mag and stam dps.
Overall the differences are fairly small. So you don't need to run let's say an orc stam blade. Khajiit, bosmer , Redguard will do just as fine. Just a few thousand dps behind. Talking 1-5k here. Not that big of a deal if you are not in a competitive leaderboard guild.
This mostly, though I might add that magicka is really within error margin, so any of Breton/Altmer/Dunmer may do. The Bretons don't need to build for any sustain (which is great in overworld/dungeons/vMA, less so in trials), the Altmer have a stamina regen on class abilities and the Dunmer have some 2k more stamina + 258 weapon damage (which is not entirely useless as there are a couple cases in which magicka users use weapon damage). So pick any of those 3. For stamina Orc and Dunmer are too close too tell as well, although the Orc has 1k more health so that will be benificial.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭xMovingTarget wrote: »Since nobody bothers to answer your question OP.
Stam dps Orc
Mag dps altmer
Tank, same as before.
Healer Breton.
Dunmer is second on both mag and stam dps.
Overall the differences are fairly small. So you don't need to run let's say an orc stam blade. Khajiit, bosmer , Redguard will do just as fine. Just a few thousand dps behind. Talking 1-5k here. Not that big of a deal if you are not in a competitive leaderboard guild.
Primary tank is nord now, which was far from bis for tanking before. Also orc is not an "okay" tank anymore.0 -
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Altmer is really good for classes that have good sustain built-in. Breton for rest. Dunmer is just a slightly worse version of Altmer but can be used as a Stamina DPS too.
Stamina DPS
Orc is best for all. Dunmer is close second.
Healer
Breton is really strong. Altmer is still good if you are using Power of the Light.
Tank
Orc is best for score runs for their Off DPS capability. Nord is best for pure tankiness and progression groups. Imperial is right between with some sacrifice on damage and tankiness while gaining better stat pools and sustain.2 -
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✭Mostly good to hear. I notice that as a an altmer magsorc, my magicka pool dropped down to ~42500 from 49k and that shooting star no long adds extra magicka as part of mages guild passives. Normal?
Seems like it’ll be business as usual in any case lol, back to good old Infallible Aether + necropotence for me!0 -
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Wow, so off-tank with lover sign and maelstrom bow is a reality now? Or they run s&b/ligthning and simply weave LA-heroic slash?
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Orc is best for score runs for their Off DPS capability. Nord is best for pure tankiness and progression groups. Imperial is right between with some sacrifice on damage and tankiness while gaining better stat pools and sustain.
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✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »Wow, so off-tank with lover sign and maelstrom bow is a reality now? Or they run s&b/ligthning and simply weave LA-heroic slash?
It's been a thing for long time but wasn't popular because applying Crusher with SnB was more precise and reliable as it always procced on the target you wanted it to proc on. Now, we don't have that option. We need to choose between a destro staff with Blockade or a Bow with Endless Hail. The reason to choose bow is that the AOE is smaller and the enchant always procs on the enemy closest to the center of Hail. So you can easily pick the target you want your enchants to proc on. Blockade doesn't have that. Knowing that Endless Hail is incredibly strong DPS skill, we just said "why not invest into damage?" and went with it. You can already see several high end tanks rolling Orc for that sweet deeps ^^ I currently tank most trials in full divines medium armour, Lover Mundus and Weapon Damage/Weapon Critical/Stamina Restore potions with skills like Hail/Claw/Shadow Silk to add DPS. Also running x3 Robust jewelry with all Weapon Damage enchants and Velidreth monster set. It works quite well. Here is a parse I got in a carry run I was testing the build in, keep in mind that I still play Imperial because I find Orcs really ugly ^^
Here is another from a friend testing it in Cloudrest
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JediCodyTwitterSoul ShrivenBobby_V_Rockit wrote: »I’ve been gone since Monster Hunter and Fallout, but bored of those now and coming home to ESO. I see there are racial changes... is the old “best race for xxx” still applicable or was it shaken up?
Nord as the new meta Tank, IMO. The buffs they received make Tanking easier than it has ever been before. The stat boosts are just behind Imperial, sure, but the Ulti regen and insane Resistances given allow the player much more room to diversify their build for the better via what is essentially free CP (via the Ulti regen Passive) and Trait choice (again, as Defending is no longer as necessary) that was not present prior.
Some still say Argonians. Not for me. Popping a tri-stat Potion already is more than adequate, thus the 4k extra stats for Argonian are overkill and highly situational (I rarely pop a potion as my groups either have Healers with great HoTs or I just sustain all stats solo). I swear I have used just like five potions in the past 15 Veteran HM Dungeons.Edited by JediCodyTwitter on March 12, 2019 11:09PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »Wow, so off-tank with lover sign and maelstrom bow is a reality now? Or they run s&b/ligthning and simply weave LA-heroic slash?
It's been a thing for long time but wasn't popular because applying Crusher with SnB was more precise and reliable as it always procced on the target you wanted it to proc on. Now, we don't have that option. We need to choose between a destro staff with Blockade or a Bow with Endless Hail. The reason to choose bow is that the AOE is smaller and the enchant always procs on the enemy closest to the center of Hail. So you can easily pick the target you want your enchants to proc on. Blockade doesn't have that. Knowing that Endless Hail is incredibly strong DPS skill, we just said "why not invest into damage?" and went with it. You can already see several high end tanks rolling Orc for that sweet deeps ^^ I currently tank most trials in full divines medium armour, Lover Mundus and Weapon Damage/Weapon Critical/Stamina Restore potions with skills like Hail/Claw/Shadow Silk to add DPS. Also running x3 Robust jewelry with all Weapon Damage enchants and Velidreth monster set. It works quite well. Here is a parse I got in a carry run I was testing the build in, keep in mind that I still play Imperial because I find Orcs really ugly ^^
Here is another from a friend testing it in Cloudrest
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JediCodyTwitterSoul ShrivenI currently tank most trials in full divines medium armour, Lover Mundus and Weapon Damage/Weapon Critical/Stamina Restore potions with skills like Hail/Claw/Shadow Silk to add DPS. Also running x3 Robust jewelry with all Weapon Damage enchants and Velidreth monster set.
That's amazing, man. It amazes me what endgame folks can pull off, in the name of increasing overall group DPS.
I do have a question, however, and I am not being facetious at all. I am genuinely curious (hence why I am going out of my way to make that clear as possible).
Does endgame Tanking ever make you feel not like a Tank? Like, less of the pen and paper, general 'Tank' archetype? I've only done DPS in endgame Veteran Trials. I have never tanked there and likely won't as the meta/leaders usually request the Tank wear DPS enhancing sets and kits and I just like the stereotypical Tank archetype for RP/immersion purposes.
Thank you.
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Omg, thanks for info, that looks amazing to where ESO may came if group synergy is so highMartiniDaniels wrote: »Wow, so off-tank with lover sign and maelstrom bow is a reality now? Or they run s&b/ligthning and simply weave LA-heroic slash?
It's been a thing for long time but wasn't popular because applying Crusher with SnB was more precise and reliable as it always procced on the target you wanted it to proc on. Now, we don't have that option. We need to choose between a destro staff with Blockade or a Bow with Endless Hail. The reason to choose bow is that the AOE is smaller and the enchant always procs on the enemy closest to the center of Hail. So you can easily pick the target you want your enchants to proc on. Blockade doesn't have that. Knowing that Endless Hail is incredibly strong DPS skill, we just said "why not invest into damage?" and went with it. You can already see several high end tanks rolling Orc for that sweet deeps ^^ I currently tank most trials in full divines medium armour, Lover Mundus and Weapon Damage/Weapon Critical/Stamina Restore potions with skills like Hail/Claw/Shadow Silk to add DPS. Also running x3 Robust jewelry with all Weapon Damage enchants and Velidreth monster set. It works quite well. Here is a parse I got in a carry run I was testing the build in, keep in mind that I still play Imperial because I find Orcs really ugly ^^
Here is another from a friend testing it in Cloudrest
good to know
Other question is what's happen with those strict requirements for "group support", I mean ulti gain from bloodspawn, and so on, if veli is justified.
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✭✭JediCodyTwitter wrote: »
That's amazing, man. It amazes me what endgame folks can pull off, in the name of increasing overall group DPS.
I do have a question, however, and I am not being facetious at all. I am genuinely curious (hence why I am going out of my way to make that clear as possible).
Does endgame Tanking ever make you feel not like a Tank? Like, less of the pen and paper, general 'Tank' archetype? I've only done DPS in endgame Veteran Trials. I have never tanked there and likely won't as the meta/leaders usually request the Tank wear DPS enhancing sets and kits and I just like the stereotypical Tank archetype for RP/immersion purposes.
Thank you.
Yeah, being a tank in ESO doesn't feel tanky at all. What it feels like is, a challenge. That's really it. I played so many MMORPGs and tanked in all of them yet ESO is the only game I stayed for longer than a year. Even though I don't like to be a tank that gets one shotted by majority of heavy attacks if I don't block or dodge them, I like to be a tank that does everything for the group. That's the main difference between ESO and other MMORPGs when it comes to tanking. Because in the end you can have as much health as you want, as much resistances as you want etc. it doesn't matter. I remember tanking in my first raids in Armour Master/Footman/Engine Guardian and I watched a video where the tank uses Powerful Assault and healing the group with Vigour while increasing their damage. After that video, all things changed ^^ The mentality went from "I'm bulky af, hell yeah!" to "If that guy can do it in medium armour, why am I bothering with these tanky sets?". To this day, end game tanks still pushing forward in the same mentality. That to me is pretty amazing because those crazy fast runs happen thanks to tanks pushing forward nonstop.MartiniDaniels wrote: »Omg, thanks for info, that looks amazing to where ESO may came if group synergy is so high good to know
Other question is what's happen with those strict requirements for "group support", I mean ulti gain from bloodspawn, and so on, if veli is justified.
Some strict requirements don't exist anymore. There are so many people who think they do because of guides that are outdated and/or filled with misinformation. Blood Spawn for example, I don't even remember the last time I used it in PvE. Has way lower value than defensive sets such as Lord Warden/Thurvokun and the effect is so small, using a DPS set results in higher group DPS. Which is the exact same thing when we compare Nord with Orc. Nord's ultigen makes so little difference, going as Orc and pushing your own DPS results in better group damage. Things like that, you can find many many more "strict requirements" in online guides, just need to question things yourself before following.3 -
IlCanis_LupuslI✭✭✭✭✭AcadianPaladin wrote: »What really counts has not changed: Bosmer remains Best in Slot for Cute.
This one respectfully disagrees.
Khajiit much cuter then short elves yes? ;-)
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Khajiit Stamsorc Werewolf, Flawless Conquerer (1st attempt ww form during the entire dungeon) main
Khajiit(Master Race) Templar Healer, Flawless Conquerer
Khajiit Stam dk, Flawless conquerer, 2nd attempt
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✭✭✭✭✭Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »Mostly good to hear. I notice that as a an altmer magsorc, my magicka pool dropped down to ~42500 from 49k and that shooting star no long adds extra magicka as part of mages guild passives. Normal?
Seems like it’ll be business as usual in any case lol, back to good old Infallible Aether + necropotence for me!
Points in racial passives were refunded when changes went live. Did you reapply them? Most builds with very high magicka saw a slight decrease, but nothing that drastic. I went from like 50k to 49k. 49k to 42.5k seems extreme.0 -
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✭Dagoth_Rac wrote: »Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »Mostly good to hear. I notice that as a an altmer magsorc, my magicka pool dropped down to ~42500 from 49k and that shooting star no long adds extra magicka as part of mages guild passives. Normal?
Seems like it’ll be business as usual in any case lol, back to good old Infallible Aether + necropotence for me!
Points in racial passives were refunded when changes went live. Did you reapply them? Most builds with very high magicka saw a slight decrease, but nothing that drastic. I went from like 50k to 49k. 49k to 42.5k seems extreme.
I did not, I am dumb (literally, I forgot to do that lol). Thanks though I will put them back0 -
iiYuki✭✭✭✭✭Run whatever you want.
I personally make my own builds without caring if they are meta or not.
They might not have the highest dps or best heals, but they do the job and at least i can play and enjoy the game without being worried about farming new gear every few months.
Less so now than before but even then, you're wasting resources and stats thinking like that.
Orc and red-guard for example offers nothing to a magicka player and Breton and Altmer offer little to a stamina player the other way around though and you have a decent boost to resources and a boost to weapon or spell damage as well as a nice little resource return."Play how you want... unless its not how we intended you to play in which case we'll nerf it".
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✭✭Run whatever you want.
I personally make my own builds without caring if they are meta or not.
They might not have the highest dps or best heals, but they do the job and at least i can play and enjoy the game without being worried about farming new gear every few months.
Agree. I'm no longer chasing the meta. Had to for a little bit, so I could explore how I enjoy the game.
In the end I've settled on a Redguard in the DC because that's something I can relate to, and I love Redguard lore.
Currently working on making him a warrior of sword and bow.In-game username: Un1korn | Happy member of the PCNA UESP guild (Resident Daggerfall Covenant enjoyer) | Main & basically only character: Crucian Vulpin, Imperial Dragonknight of the Daggerfall Covenant, and Undaunted Bulwark (I tank) | Mountain bike enjoyer and vulpine appreciator | If you know me from PCEU: No | To ZOS: THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME BRING MY HORSE INTO BATTLE!0 -
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Altmer, Breton, Khajiit and Dunmer are all pretty close.
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TARAFRAKA✭✭✭✭✭AngelFires333 wrote: »Run whatever you want.
I personally make my own builds without caring if they are meta or not.
They might not have the highest dps or best heals, but they do the job and at least i can play and enjoy the game without being worried about farming new gear every few months.
Agreed.
I'm pretty sure these games were created for entertainment. Not a pathway to the higher universal secrets of life.
Folks are becoming unnecessarily serious.
OP didn't ask for a debate on the merits of using racials for a competitive edge. So play as you want people need not comment. He wants to ask the min/max players a very easy question. What race is best numerically for X purpose?
My God, the first 4 people replying are being purposely obtuse.
Some people love to min/max and their money is as green as everyone else's so please stop telling hs it doesn't matter.
IT MATTERS TO US.2
