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The search for PvE groups/guilds frustrates me
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jainiadral✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Um. Well.
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https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/mercury-reader/oknpjjbmpnndlpmnhmekjpocelpnlfdiPeekachu99 wrote: »The suggestion that YTers are required watching to play the game with a certain level of competence is a.) false b.) borderline shameless plugging. Nor should it be necessary if a game is properly constructed in it’s social tools and design. Where is the world chat? Where is an LFG interface where you can mark yourself as a “newb” looking for other newbs to bungle through Trials?
You know, more tools for social interaction between players in-game would be quite nice. At the very least it'd be nice to see people talking game mechanics for a change. More often than not in zone chat it's either LFG stuff, or people recruiting for guilds in cryptic letters that look Daedric.
So tools other than Zone Chat LFG to get people together, such as your "Newbs looking for other newbs" idea would be quite welcome At least it'd be better than watching Youtubers talking about builds without a possible back-and-forth conversation to be had (And let's be honest, comment sections aren't quite the best on Youtube)
Well. Good thing I have no interest in joining you, if that is your attitude.
So you are saying that a website can have whatever look it wants, as long as it is informative? What? For Xynode I can't even properly read the blue text due to the background, but hey, who cares, it is an informative piece so it's okay by your logic.
Honestly I should consider just copy-pasting the text, edit it around so it will be more pleasant and less bloated to read through.
I am more than willing to listen to suggestions from guild members, but I don't know what is more unhelpful. Someone merely siggesting a website, or someone disregarding comfort when it comes to reading stuff.
Actually, I'll just say it. You sound incompetent and terrible if you don't care for people's reading comfort, and should not lead guilds.
The irony is just... wow. I wish you best of luck mate. You gonna need it in your search for the special guild you deserve.DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »As a Guild Master, I wouldn't even consider taking a player to my guild if they can't be bothered to read a guide online because the design looks bad. These guides are free. The creator doesn't have to make it look good. The purpose is to teach, not give your eyes something to enjoy looking at. A guilds purpose is to get better together and progress as a team. No wonder you are having troubles finding a guild, knowing that you refuse to read free information that can help you get better at the game and be more useful to the guild you want to get in.
Well. Good thing I have no interest in joining you, if that is your attitude.
So you are saying that a website can have whatever look it wants, as long as it is informative? What? For Xynode I can't even properly read the blue text due to the background, but hey, who cares, it is an informative piece so it's okay by your logic.
Honestly I should consider just copy-pasting the text, edit it around so it will be more pleasant and less bloated to read through.
I am more than willing to listen to suggestions from guild members, but I don't know what is more unhelpful. Someone merely siggesting a website, or someone disregarding comfort when it comes to reading stuff.
Actually, I'll just say it. You sound incompetent and terrible if you don't care for people's reading comfort, and should not lead guilds.
Jesus. I felt for you a little bit after your original post, but after reading this and the other things you've posted on this thread I really sympathize with any guild unfortunate enough to recruit you. You genuinely sound like a nightmare to have to deal with. Good luck finding a group of people to play with.
What kind of reaction did you expect, from someone who seemed to want to have a go at me, and then has an equally passive-aggressive response?
Also, you're being a bit melodramatic, don't you think? "Unfortunate enough to recruit me"... You make it sound like I am a demon who eats babies and defiles wives.stileanima wrote: »I invite you to join TRE, a discord for players who are interested in and have questions about all kinds of PvE content, especially end game raiding. There are lots of incredible players there who would be happy to help!
https://discord.gg/a58MuP
Joined the Discord channel. Thanks for the invite.ralphylauren wrote: »stileanima wrote: »I invite you to join TRE, a discord for players who are interested in and have questions about all kinds of PvE content, especially end game raiding. There are lots of incredible players there who would be happy to help!
https://discord.gg/a58MuP
One of the best reply’s imo. Seems like some would like to hang OP for stating his frustrations
I will admit that I maaaay have made some bold reactionary messages on the foundation of emotion, but let's be honest, I think anyone would make some fairly saucy comments if they were experiencing bitter resentment and frustration accumulated over a long period of time.
That's probably not going get you the response you want, or the help you're requesting. If I were running a guild, your posts would have me fleeing for the hills. Coddling bitter, emotional people isn't a fun thing to do, especially if you're not getting paid for it
FWIW, I hate videos too--don't forget to hit the little bell!--and those sites make my eyes bleed. But that isn't the point, really. The point is that you've had people trying to help you, and you're foisting your issues on them. Your issues aren't their fault. Even if you don't like their advice, accept it with thanks and ignore it when you play.Edited by jainiadral on March 11, 2019 9:20PM16 -
ATreeGnome✭✭✭✭So you get mad when people reference you to guides instead of typing out everything themselves, just for you? You refuse to read guides written by top players in the game, who have spent lots of time to offer you the content for free, because you don't like the formatting? And you are opposed to using voice comms and "can't imagine" doing so with pugs?
Frankly, if you want to be taken seriously in any half decent PvE guild you're going to need to be willing to invest more time and effort, even if that means reading a few poorly formatted guides and listening to voice comms when you don't feel like it. If you aren't willing to put in at least that much effort, why should anyone invest their time in running content with you?19 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Vanthras79 wrote: »Is there is a looking for guild function coming with Elswyere? That is what I thought at least, so that may help.
There is.
Along with all other guild quality of life updates we have been waiting for yes...?0 -
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✭✭The OP's title applies to me, although a lot of the particulars don't.
In my case, it's partly a matter of schedule, partly a matter of where I am as a player. I've had a couple of PvE guilds kind of peter into inactivity (disclaimer: one of those was vamp_emily's dungeon guild).
I've got 9 characters at undaunted 9-10, mostly from doing base game vet dungeons. Other than nHOF, which I've only done once, I've done all normal trials a decent number of times, and I have a bank and storage chests full of dungeon and trial gear.
What I would like to do is learn the vet DLC dungeons, and for now the vet Craglorn trials.
This kind of seems to be an awkward middle point though; I can more reliably see people recruiting for players who are already familar with vet DLC mechanics, or those wanting to progress the vet DLC trials. I can find social guilds that do normal gear farms and world boss tours and base game pledges. I haven't found much in between, at least that's advertised;
I don't think I'm anywhere near ready for vet DLC trials, and I'm not that motivated to just keep doing the same dungeons over and over when they're no longer challenging (other than the challenges you always get when pugging).
When I have pugged normal Craglorn trials, there hasn't been a discord offered or anything much; we got in, killed bosses, people traded if they felt like it, and left, but I don't do this enough to know if it's just been the groups I happened into.
Schedule is important though; some of my friends from a PvP guild run this content, but mostly at times when I'm not around; when some of my guilds were more active in the past a lot of stuff was scheduled impromptu, which often ended up conflicting one way or the other.0 -
nud3_voxel✭✭✭Sounds like your views do not align with whatever guilds you've joined. And judging by how you sold yourself in your post you sound a bit toxic when people are trying to provide help. Not everyone will test every sets and a lot of people rely on people that do just that and then will link you their builds.
If you're unhappy with how things have been going in other guilds just create your own... it doesn't even have to be a guild. just create a discord server and invite people you meet over there.Edited by nud3_voxel on March 11, 2019 11:25PM6 -
LeagueTroll✭✭✭✭✭Mediocre damage dealer is everywhere. If you don’t stand out why ppl should tolerate your attitude. Even tanks and healer with attitude issues get left out often.6
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SoLooney✭✭✭✭✭Beggars cant be choosers
Maybe you should get off your high horse, swallow your pride, and just do your research
That's honestly your excuse for not getting better as a pve player? Oh the website looks ugly, I can't read and build my character properly cause I was blinded
Geez, no wonder you cant find a good guild. If i heard that excuse I wouldnt run anything with you either, you're just looking for free carries14 -
Kalgert✭✭✭✭✭Beggars cant be choosers
Maybe you should get off your high horse, swallow your pride, and just do your research
That's honestly your excuse for not getting better as a pve player? Oh the website looks ugly, I can't read and build my character properly cause I was blinded
Geez, no wonder you cant find a good guild. If i heard that excuse I wouldnt run anything with you either, you're just looking for free carries
Whatever you say, sugar-pie.
I don't want "Carries". I do however wish to do PvE. And I am willing to listen to people's advice... Hear that: Advice. So that means people who probably run with several builds recommending what they run with. Nothing bad about that.
And it ain't really an excuse. Here is an example: If someone were to post a recipe for something you'd want to make, and decided to make the background blue, and the text green, would you find it hard to read?
If yes, then don't give me a hard time for not wanting to sit through a website that is designed terribly.1 -
Grandma✭✭✭✭✭this. so much. I could easily clear so much content if i just had the right connections or groups. my experience is that 90% players can't do 10k dps, and then the ones who are good are posting vids of their vCR+3 speedruns on youtube and not giving any hints or clues on how to get to know them or join their guild, even if it had steep requirements. Like, i'm not saying i'm perfect, but I have tons of great healer sets and i know all the mechanics and i can DO it, but there's always a flat tire when it turns out most of the dps have no clue how to rub 2 rocks together. DPS are always the problem because sooo much of the game hinges on them knowing how to deal more than 30k, which even I can do and i don't even main dps, and it's just so frustrating.GH / 3/04/2021 / Elemental Catalyst Necromancer1 -
Kalgert✭✭✭✭✭this. so much. I could easily clear so much content if i just had the right connections or groups. my experience is that 90% players can't do 10k dps, and then the ones who are good are posting vids of their vCR+3 speedruns on youtube and not giving any hints or clues on how to get to know them or join their guild, even if it had steep requirements. Like, i'm not saying i'm perfect, but I have tons of great healer sets and i know all the mechanics and i can DO it, but there's always a flat tire when it turns out most of the dps have no clue how to rub 2 rocks together. DPS are always the problem because sooo much of the game hinges on them knowing how to deal more than 30k, which even I can do and i don't even main dps, and it's just so frustrating.
*clears throat*
I am having troubles going past 15k DPS, though after a few tries I can definitely be attuned to the mechanics of a dungeon.
Perhaps I should buckle down and finish levelling my Nord Tank... That way I can both survive any stray hits I may suffer, and also feel useful to some regard.0 -
LeagueTroll✭✭✭✭✭this. so much. I could easily clear so much content if i just had the right connections or groups. my experience is that 90% players can't do 10k dps, and then the ones who are good are posting vids of their vCR+3 speedruns on youtube and not giving any hints or clues on how to get to know them or join their guild, even if it had steep requirements. Like, i'm not saying i'm perfect, but I have tons of great healer sets and i know all the mechanics and i can DO it, but there's always a flat tire when it turns out most of the dps have no clue how to rub 2 rocks together. DPS are always the problem because sooo much of the game hinges on them knowing how to deal more than 30k, which even I can do and i don't even main dps, and it's just so frustrating.this. so much. I could easily clear so much content if i just had the right connections or groups. my experience is that 90% players can't do 10k dps, and then the ones who are good are posting vids of their vCR+3 speedruns on youtube and not giving any hints or clues on how to get to know them or join their guild, even if it had steep requirements. Like, i'm not saying i'm perfect, but I have tons of great healer sets and i know all the mechanics and i can DO it, but there's always a flat tire when it turns out most of the dps have no clue how to rub 2 rocks together. DPS are always the problem because sooo much of the game hinges on them knowing how to deal more than 30k, which even I can do and i don't even main dps, and it's just so frustrating.
30k is slightly above average. Hardly good.1 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Beggars cant be choosers
Maybe you should get off your high horse, swallow your pride, and just do your research
That's honestly your excuse for not getting better as a pve player? Oh the website looks ugly, I can't read and build my character properly cause I was blinded
Geez, no wonder you cant find a good guild. If i heard that excuse I wouldnt run anything with you either, you're just looking for free carries
Whatever you say, sugar-pie.
I don't want "Carries". I do however wish to do PvE. And I am willing to listen to people's advice... Hear that: Advice. So that means people who probably run with several builds recommending what they run with. Nothing bad about that.
And it ain't really an excuse. Here is an example: If someone were to post a recipe for something you'd want to make, and decided to make the background blue, and the text green, would you find it hard to read?
If yes, then don't give me a hard time for not wanting to sit through a website that is designed terribly.
Alcast always offers multiple gear suggestions (and they are just that: suggestions) on his site. He offers educated advice, which is what you want. A lot of people in PVE guilds run Alcast builds. You seriously react poorly when they link to his site, because you don’t like the way it looks?
Buddy, you’re REALLY going to struggle to find a guild with the sort of toxic attitude that you’re displaying here. Seems to me like you need to work on your people skills a bit before you complain on the forum about issues you created all by yourself...
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✭✭✭✭✭I don't do video guides for two reasons: first, I can't really learn from a video; just give me a written explanation thanks.... second, I don't have the bandwidth to waste on videos when I learn better from written info. Actually, I don't have bw to waste at all if I want to keep playing.... and what I do have costs me $70 US a month for almost nothing....0 -
Grandma✭✭✭✭✭LeagueTroll wrote: »
30k is slightly above average. Hardly good.
that's the thing!!! i'm not even asking for good!!!! i'm just asking for the bare minimum required to do these achievements and NOBODY can do it! for context i'm pushing 40k with sub-optimal gear on a PET sorc of all things. if I can do this then some other cp 810 people can figure out how to weave, you know?GH / 3/04/2021 / Elemental Catalyst Necromancer0 -
Asha_11_ESO✭✭✭The solution to all of the problems you're experiencing - is you.
Don't like the UX for websites that need to deliver you necessary information in a way that pleases you - make your own website. Or, if you have skills, offer to design and format someone else's website - maybe they could dearly use the help!
Don't like waiting around for groups to form to do the content you want, when you want it? Make your own guild and find people in the same situation as you.
I agree, there can be more tools to help players group and do the things they want to do. But across every MMO the truth of it is, no matter what tools you give people, it's the effort you put in yourself as a player which determine's how much you get out of it.
If you're not willing to overlook a crappy website, to get the info you need. If you're not willing to compromise with guild leaders on whatever matters are causing you to leave or be booted, or to make yourself available to play times when more players can group. If you're not willing to form your own guild or groups. Then why would you expect anyone else to be willing to do all, or any of those things, for you?8 -
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✭PvE sucks because websites have ugly design... ?
my thoughts aswell....
some ppl dont like beeing told whats good to wear and whats utter garbage...but if thy cant handle the citrique, then thats their problem
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LiberatorSam✭✭✭Get your dps up to at least 40k+ first, then look for guilds for harder contents. Couple patches ago I had 0 experiences with vet DLC trials, but I pull 40k on a non-pet magsorc, then I started looking for guilds that fit my schedule. I cleared vMoL and vHoF first try (with me failing mechs a couple of times ofc as it’s my virgin run). It’s easy to learn/teach mechanics, but it’s hard to find decent DPSs.0
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SoLooney✭✭✭✭✭
Sugar pie? What are you some 70 year old grandma? LmaoBeggars cant be choosers
Maybe you should get off your high horse, swallow your pride, and just do your research
That's honestly your excuse for not getting better as a pve player? Oh the website looks ugly, I can't read and build my character properly cause I was blinded
Geez, no wonder you cant find a good guild. If i heard that excuse I wouldnt run anything with you either, you're just looking for free carries
Whatever you say, sugar-pie.
I don't want "Carries". I do however wish to do PvE. And I am willing to listen to people's advice... Hear that: Advice. So that means people who probably run with several builds recommending what they run with. Nothing bad about that.
And it ain't really an excuse. Here is an example: If someone were to post a recipe for something you'd want to make, and decided to make the background blue, and the text green, would you find it hard to read?
If yes, then don't give me a hard time for not wanting to sit through a website that is designed terribly.
You're honestly delusional.
As long as I can read it the guide properly. I honestly dont care about how nice it looks.
Alcast has a good set up on his guides, dont even start by complaining it doesnt look nice enough.
People like you are what we call lost causes
And if you get on the defense like that when people call you out just shows you're gonna wallow in your sorrows and will never improve as a player or a human being
SmhEdited by SoLooney on March 12, 2019 8:04AM15 -
lillybit✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Beggars cant be choosers
Maybe you should get off your high horse, swallow your pride, and just do your research
That's honestly your excuse for not getting better as a pve player? Oh the website looks ugly, I can't read and build my character properly cause I was blinded
Geez, no wonder you cant find a good guild. If i heard that excuse I wouldnt run anything with you either, you're just looking for free carries
Whatever you say, sugar-pie.
I don't want "Carries". I do however wish to do PvE. And I am willing to listen to people's advice... Hear that: Advice. So that means people who probably run with several builds recommending what they run with. Nothing bad about that.
And it ain't really an excuse. Here is an example: If someone were to post a recipe for something you'd want to make, and decided to make the background blue, and the text green, would you find it hard to read?
If yes, then don't give me a hard time for not wanting to sit through a website that is designed terribly.
Actually, if someone gave me a recipe in a format I found hard to read, I'd thank them and copy and paste it to a blank document and fix it. What I wouldn't do is throw it back in their face and make them the villain because they've tried to help me.
If you were serious about wanting help you'd find a way to make it easier for yourself. This just sounds like you looking for excuses to blame everyone else for your shortcomings.PS4 EU11 -
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✭join B+ traiding guild with low reqs (20k/2k for example). No BS elitism, no chat spam, still have some raids, even trials.0 -
witchdoctor✭✭✭✭✭
✭I think you all are too harsh on the OP.
Today, people are too stressed and time-deficit. Formatting is key, people!
Seriously.
Look at Alcast's website. Its all centre-aligned. Look, mate, you can't stay in the centre. Pick a side! Do you even left indent, bro?
And Th3asian? Seriously. His videos. Starts with this epic drum roll, and its what? Him parsing?! Like, with that epic intro, I won't accept anything less than real life gladiators battling it out. Parse THAT!1 -
jainiadral✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭witchdoctor wrote: »I think you all are too harsh on the OP.
Today, people are too stressed and time-deficit. Formatting is key, people!
Seriously.
Look at Alcast's website. Its all centre-aligned. Look, mate, you can't stay in the centre. Pick a side! Do you even left indent, bro?
And Th3asian? Seriously. His videos. Starts with this epic drum roll, and its what? Him parsing?! Like, with that epic intro, I won't accept anything less than real life gladiators battling it out. Parse THAT!
If the OP's guildies didn't make those sites, they sure don't deserve the negative feedback. What they deserve is a polite thanks for their time and advice. Heck, heeding the advice would be a little nice icing on the cake.
Take the feedback to the people who actually have control over the various media. Or, in the case of bad site design, use extensions and add-ons to strip the horrible layout away with a single click of a button.Edited by jainiadral on March 12, 2019 10:33AM2 -
Kalgert✭✭✭✭✭witchdoctor wrote: »I think you all are too harsh on the OP.
Today, people are too stressed and time-deficit. Formatting is key, people!
Seriously.
Look at Alcast's website. Its all centre-aligned. Look, mate, you can't stay in the centre. Pick a side! Do you even left indent, bro?
And Th3asian? Seriously. His videos. Starts with this epic drum roll, and its what? Him parsing?! Like, with that epic intro, I won't accept anything less than real life gladiators battling it out. Parse THAT!
I have this feeling that unless someone is absolutely positive and has no standard of a "First impression matters" kind of approach, they are quickly labeled as a "Lost cause" or a "Troublemaker" or whatever else some posters have decided to throw at me.
I will admit that I did come on a bit strong, but hey, nothing to do about that, that is simply a part of my personality
A bit weird that you'd say that Alcast is center alligned. I'd say it is left-leaning, although still fairly close to the center. If you want to fault anyone for center alignment, then that would be Xynode, but that site has bigger worries than just that when it comes to design...
Can't say anything about Th-Three-asian, but the way he goes with "I put many hours in to my videos about builds!" makes for a very bad impression on his videos. And if what you say is true, that it's only him doing parses, then... Well, I don't think he is in a position to go after me, that's to say the least.jainiadral wrote: »If the OP's guildies didn't make those sites, they sure don't deserve the negative feedback. What they deserve is a polite thanks for their time and advice. Heck, heeding the advice would be a little nice icing on the cake.
Take the feedback to the people who actually have control over the various media. Or, in the case of bad site design, use extensions and add-ons to strip the horrible layout away with a single click of a button.
Did also say that I could copy the text, trim a bit of needless detail, and just try to get around that. Though I am still in a state of feeling fairly bitter about the prospect, so I'll need a bit of time to shimmer down before indulging a look at the guides.
Should also mention what kind of "Negative feedback" it is. It isn't me thrashing the guildies in question, but more of a "Ugh, can you recommend me a website that doesn't look terrible?". Doesn't sound too unreasonable if you ask me.
Although for one guild it was more like me asking for advice, only getting links to Xynode, me saying "All I did was ask for advice, sorry if that is too tall of a thing to ask for" after a bit of a back-and-forth with my stance about them just linking me a website, guild leader getting a bit rude, me being rude in return, only to get a boot. Though someone then told me later that it was him and his "Zany humor", but let's be honest, someone telling you to "Take the advice and shut the *** up" does not sound humorous nor zany.
I would also like to mention to the folks here who are trying to have a go at me, that you're not exactly successful in your attempts of guilt-tripping me or "Trying to show the error of my ways" with the fairly condescending remarks that some people have expressed (I still like how someone said that I "Must be a nightmare to deal with", really charming). If anything, I just feel like doubling down on my stance because frankly... It's not encouraging me to change my mind when someone decides to call me a "Lost cause" or whatever, just because I happen to express a harsh opinion that a website looks terrible, gave me a bad impression, thus making me conclude that the information provided is not worth the time.
Besides, I prefer asking other players what they suggest or what they run with, as I find players to be more reliable than some guide. If players tell me "Go read a guide", then they are probably people who can't be relied upon. Simple as that.Edited by Kalgert on March 12, 2019 11:20AM0 -
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Besides, I prefer asking other players what they suggest or what they run with, as I find players to be more reliable than some guide. If players tell me "Go read a guide", then they are probably people who can't be relied upon. Simple as that.
WOW. You think that people who link you to guide websites are "probably people who can't be relied upon"? And you have the gall to call other people in this thread "condescending"?
There is a very narrow meta in PVE. The authors of the popular build sites have spent countless hours testing various gear combinations on the PTS so that you don't have to. If build sites are beneath you because they look bad, that's on you. You will find that most PVE'ers run some variation on the current meta that they've tweaked slightly to their own play style. You're mostly only going to find variety and off-meta builds in PVP, which you refuse to engage in.
Again: you need to work on your people skills before you complain about an issue you created for yourself.14 -
Mrslizardface✭✭✭I think you should start doing more than 15k dps THEN start thinking about a trials guild. Also, calling Liofa one of the best players in eso incompetent is just.... Wow7
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Kalgert✭✭✭✭✭Mrslizardface wrote: »I think you should start doing more than 15k dps THEN start thinking about a trials guild. Also, calling Liofa one of the best players in eso incompetent is just.... Wow
Okay. Got any recommendations how to get it higher on single-target?
Only thing I'm really interested in is dungeons.
Don't know who Liofa is, but first impressions tell me that he/she is an incompetent and terrible. And no amount of titles of "Best player in ESO" will convince me otherwise.Edited by Kalgert on March 12, 2019 12:26PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Mrslizardface wrote: »Also, calling Liofa one of the best players in eso incompetent is just.... WowDon't know who Liofa is, but first impressions tell me that he/she is an incompetent and terrible. And no amount of titles of "Best player in ESO" will convince me otherwise.first impressions tell me that he/she is an incompetent and terrible.an incompetent and terrible.
Play him off, keyboard cat!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J---aiyznGQ
I honestly don't know if you're trolling at this point, or if you truly believe what you're saying.4 -
Pevey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes, the suggestion is to check out alcast, xynode, T3easiangod, etc... but you have already been told this and for some reason have firmly decided it is beneath you.
Seriously, why would anyone retype for you what those that have been recommended have already taken the time to write or record for you (and others)?
It’s even a simpler matter than installing a browser extension. Just select the text you want to read with your mouse. Instant contrast. I started on the internet during the geocities heyday, so don’t talk to me about difficult to read web sites. Yes, get off my lawn and all that. You can get the information you need and still survive to tell the tale, trust me.Edited by Pevey on March 12, 2019 12:40PM8
