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/stuck should not diminish armor
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Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I didn't realise it did that but if it's the case then I have to agree.
If you haven't already try filing a /feedback and/or /bug in game reporting the issue as well.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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MysticAura✭✭✭I totally agree, this can't be intended. Unless they're trying to avoid it being badly abused2 -
scruffycavetroll✭✭✭MysticAura wrote: »I totally agree, this can't be intended. Unless they're trying to avoid it being badly abused
i suppose that might be the only reason to have it there, to avoid it becoming a sort of free fast travel...although only bringing you to nearest point2 -
Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭They could always do what SWTOR did and give you a 2min cooldown on the command.
I'm not entirely sure what the command does as I have yet to use it myself, does it just kill you so you can move back to a shrine or just move you to a safer location around where you are?
The later I couldn't see much abusive use with outside of some rare situations.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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SirAndy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's on purpose to discourage using /stuck as a means of fast and cheap fast-travel.
However, if you don't want to fork out gold to repair, simply unequip your armor before you /stuck yourself out of a rock.
It only effects armor you're wearing. If you're naked, no gold is needed.
;-)
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scruffycavetroll✭✭✭They could always do what SWTOR did and give you a 2min cooldown on the command.
I'm not entirely sure what the command does as I have yet to use it myself, does it just kill you so you can move back to a shrine or just move you to a safer location around where you are?
The later I couldn't see much abusive use with outside of some rare situations.
it kills you, your armor deteriorates as if an enemy killed you, then it resurrects you at the nearest wayshrine.
that's it.
i guess that's the workaround andy...thanks for the idea.Edited by scruffycavetroll on April 9, 2014 5:30PM0 -
Terminus✭✭✭✭✭It's on purpose to discourage using /stuck as a means of fast and cheap fast-travel.
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It only effects armor you're wearing. If you're naked, no gold is needed.
This pretty much hits the nail on the head;
it's the reason that /stuck can't be used in Cyrodiil,
until Zenimax comes up with an alternative.1 -
Requielle✭✭✭Without a cost (in this case, gear damage) it would become the default 'hearthstone' of the game... full up on stuff? Don't feel like running to the nearest wayshrine or paying the gold fee to transport? Just use /stuck and you can travel for free!
Yes, it sucks that being in a situation where you *need* to use that command comes with an additional penalty. But unless someone has a better idea of how to keep the utility (remove you from being stuck to a safe place) without opening it up to changing the fundamental game dynamics, I think we are stuck with it. Excuse the bad pun.1 -
scruffycavetroll✭✭✭Without a cost (in this case, gear damage) it would become the default 'hearthstone' of the game... full up on stuff? Don't feel like running to the nearest wayshrine or paying the gold fee to transport? Just use /stuck and you can travel for free!
Yes, it sucks that being in a situation where you *need* to use that command comes with an additional penalty. But unless someone has a better idea of how to keep the utility (remove you from being stuck to a safe place) without opening it up to changing the fundamental game dynamics, I think we are stuck with it. Excuse the bad pun.
another solution would be to move the player a few feet to an open area as opposed to killing the player and penalizing them for something they probably didn't want to do intentionally.
game should know where there is open space or not...that way people aren't getting moved to wayshrines...i think SWTOR did that.
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Requielle✭✭✭scruffycavetroll wrote: »another solution would be to move the player a few feet to an open area as opposed to killing the player and penalizing them for something they probably didn't want to do intentionally.
game should know where there is open space or not...that way people aren't getting moved to wayshrines...i think SWTOR did that.
Only if the game engine knows that a particular spot will stay clear for a given time (5 seconds? 20 seconds?) afterwards... an 'all-clear' on that open spot of grass over there won't help if something is going to spawn there literally 1 second after you land. The forums would be full of folks screaming about getting teleported into certain death.
I don't know if the game engine is coded to know that right now. I also don't know how much extra processing it would take if it could/already can. It might be too expensive in terms of additional processing power or memory to implement, even if the code exists.0 -
cheeser123✭✭✭MysticAura wrote: »I totally agree, this can't be intended. Unless they're trying to avoid it being badly abused
I agree with some of the people who've been saying that people might abuse it (e.g. to fast travel w/o penalty or, if possible, to avoid armor damage from combat death by doing /stuck when you start losing a fight).
On the other hand, people who are going to cheat are going to cheat. If you're about to die and want to avoid armor damage, or if you want to use /stuck to fast-travel without penalty, quickly strip your armor before you do it?
I'm not really sure where I stand. There's a good reason, to prevent exploits, for making /stuck degrade armor. But people who will exploit it will find a work-around for the exploits regardless... of course, I can't test any of this in-game yet, so I'm not sure if these scenarios are feasible.0 -
Liedeke✭✭✭I agree, but also disagree...
It's not my fault I get stuck in a bridge....so why should that affect my armor?
On the other hand, it could be easily exploited if it didn't have a penalty.
Perhaps the solution would be for the programmers to fix the actual problem, getting stuck in the first place. That way the use of the /stuck command could be kept to a minimum.1 -
Armitas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I get stuck in the environment about every hour or two. Please put a hold on the repair cost for /stuck until we give solidity to the environment.Retired.
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Bansheedragon✭✭✭Without a cost (in this case, gear damage) it would become the default 'hearthstone' of the game... full up on stuff? Don't feel like running to the nearest wayshrine or paying the gold fee to transport? Just use /stuck and you can travel for free!
Yes, it sucks that being in a situation where you *need* to use that command comes with an additional penalty. But unless someone has a better idea of how to keep the utility (remove you from being stuck to a safe place) without opening it up to changing the fundamental game dynamics, I think we are stuck with it. Excuse the bad pun.
Seeing as it only affects gear you are actually wearing, I dont see how this helps at all.
A player who wants to abuse this would just take off all armor, and then use it anyway.
The current system is just penalizing people who use it legitimately.
Better to move the character to a random location nearby that are in the clear, and then give it a solid cool-down so people done use it to jump around the map.0 -
Requielle✭✭✭When my bags are full, I don't have any space to remove my gear.
It does help, in the fact that it becomes an effort to 'abuse' it. Can folks still save bag space to remove their armor, remove all their gear, and then type it? Sure!
Will most people go to that effort? Probably not. Would most people use /stuck if it didn't require all those steps? Likely.
Is there a better solution? Probably. Maybe making the cost of /stuck equal to the cost of using the standard teleport-from-anywhere to a shrine... but then you have the problem of people who are genuinely stuck and don't have the gold on them to pay.
I dislike the random-but-nearby solution for my already stated reason - I would be infinitely more annoyed at being jumped 2 seconds after I land by freshly-spawned angry wolves than I am at fixing armor damage. Plus, I suspect it's not feasible - either in terms of code issues or performance issues.
Edit - attempted clarity.Edited by Requielle on April 9, 2014 7:22PM0
