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Battleground Healing Overperforming
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Burtan✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »I don't think the real healers are a problem as they're supposed to do exactly that, heal. I think the ton of "off" heals you can have/get as a non-healer are the problem because there's just too much of that in game.
Some players enjoy playing solo or in small groups, forcing them into playing with healers or larger groups is very limiting on gameplay.
There’s nothing wrong with that. Just head to IC or do BGs, just don’t ask for all facets of the game to cater to how you like to play.
It’s the equivalent of complaining that you can’t do trials as a small group. Group pvp is designed around having healers.
Removing or nerfing self healing would effectively shut down solo/smallscale without dedicated healers completely which is unnecessary. I am not asking to be catered to, im suggesting that incompetent zerglings with 0 dmg output should L2P instead of asking for everyone else to be nerfed to their level.Edited by Burtan on March 10, 2019 8:16PM6 -
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✭RealDolanTrump wrote: »I don't agree at all. The way you kill groups with a pocket healer is to target the healer. Also..if they have a full healer their group damage will be lower.Lord_Dexter wrote: »Healing in Battleground is becoming a problem, self heals are too strong and pocket healers in a groups are way too much trouble.
If self heals are too strong in no CP, what are they with CP? This really looks like a learn to play issue...
There are sets like Fasalla's Guile or Ward of Cyrodiil that will help against "pocket healers".
I don’t think you play bgs or fight good dedicated healers. If I was specced as a healer I can assure you focusing me will not kill me but instead it’ll probably be the reason you get wiped.
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CatchMeTrolling✭✭✭✭✭
✭Heals get cut in half in BGs plus defile... Dps self heals are pretty small.
Yeah this why conversation on the forums are pointless. This is the most uninformed posts. Dps self heals aren’t “pretty small” because damage buffs your heals. I’ve gotten 500k plus on heals on stam and mag as a dps. It’s only small if you don’t know what you’re doing.
It’s also another reason why zos needs to show mmr rather than have it hidden because the gameplay is night and day between high and low mmr.
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TriangularChicken✭✭✭✭CatchMeTrolling wrote: »RealDolanTrump wrote: »I don't agree at all. The way you kill groups with a pocket healer is to target the healer. Also..if they have a full healer their group damage will be lower.Lord_Dexter wrote: »Healing in Battleground is becoming a problem, self heals are too strong and pocket healers in a groups are way too much trouble.
If self heals are too strong in no CP, what are they with CP? This really looks like a learn to play issue...
There are sets like Fasalla's Guile or Ward of Cyrodiil that will help against "pocket healers".
I don’t think you play bgs or fight good dedicated healers. If I was specced as a healer I can assure you focusing me will not kill me but instead it’ll probably be the reason you get wiped.
When you get CCed every 7 seconds on a magicka class (I assume magicka because stamina classes can't pull the healing numbers in BGs that magicka does) you will eventually die. Break free base cost is around 4900 stamina in no CP, breaking free every 7 seconds would require 1400 stam recovery, even if you're playing argonian and tri pots you will run out of stam at some point. If lag occurs it will get even harder to break free.
And bragging on the forums won't bring you anywhere lmao.0 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Either way, I still find it hilarious that 3 months ago people complained healers are useless and now people complain they’re overpoweed.
Is it a problem with the forums or just pvpers? For some reason people love to ‘/lol’, ‘/omg’, ‘/I know everything’ right up until the point they get stomped. People love acting douchy, like they’re hoping the attitude covers for their ignorance. If they do get rolled hard people complain like it’s the game’s fault.
Maybe good pvp healers are overpowered, and if they played another class they’d still beat you, because they’re better players?Edited by Iskiab on March 10, 2019 10:24PMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten1 -
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✭RealDolanTrump wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »RealDolanTrump wrote: »I don't agree at all. The way you kill groups with a pocket healer is to target the healer. Also..if they have a full healer their group damage will be lower.Lord_Dexter wrote: »Healing in Battleground is becoming a problem, self heals are too strong and pocket healers in a groups are way too much trouble.
If self heals are too strong in no CP, what are they with CP? This really looks like a learn to play issue...
There are sets like Fasalla's Guile or Ward of Cyrodiil that will help against "pocket healers".
I don’t think you play bgs or fight good dedicated healers. If I was specced as a healer I can assure you focusing me will not kill me but instead it’ll probably be the reason you get wiped.
When you get CCed every 7 seconds on a magicka class (I assume magicka because stamina classes can't pull the healing numbers in BGs that magicka does) you will eventually die. Break free base cost is around 4900 stamina in no CP, breaking free every 7 seconds would require 1400 stam recovery, even if you're playing argonian and tri pots you will run out of stam at some point. If lag occurs it will get even harder to break free.
And bragging on the forums won't bring you anywhere lmao.
Bragging or more like stating facts which I have backed up multiple times on these very forums. For one stam characters should proactively heal with vigor which is probably the strongest hot in the game. You should be off healing. And if a player has troll king on that’s even more healing.
My magplar, magblade and magwarden can put up high off heals easier, so yeah it’s clear you don’t know what you’re talking about and speaking within your skill level. Or just trolling.
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Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭"CatchMeTrolling wrote: »
My magplar, magblade and magwarden can put up high off heals easier, so yeah it’s clear you don’t know what you’re talking about and speaking within your skill level. Or just trolling.
Agree completely about Templar and warden, I’ve even seen good sorcs and DK hybrids. But NBs? I’ve never seen a good magblade hybrid, too many necessary buffs for damage taking up your skill slots.
Do you just mean back barring soul siphon or the rest ult, maybe rapid regen? I’m curious as a NB healer because when I’ve tried hybriding I feel less effective, whereas on a templar it felt natural, and magwarden I lean more towards damage.Edited by Iskiab on March 11, 2019 2:43AMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten0 -
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✭"CatchMeTrolling wrote: »
My magplar, magblade and magwarden can put up high off heals easier, so yeah it’s clear you don’t know what you’re talking about and speaking within your skill level. Or just trolling.
Agree completely about Templar and warden, I’ve even seen good sorcs and DK hybrids. But NBs? I’ve never seen a good magblade hybrid, too many necessary buffs for damage taking up your skill slots.
Do you just mean back barring soul siphon or the rest ult, maybe rapid regen? I’m curious as a NB healer because when I’ve tried hybriding I feel less effective, whereas on a templar it felt natural, and magwarden I lean more towards damage.
You’re not a hybrid, you just off heal which for the longest magblade was the best at without sacrificing much. Certain things got nerfed but you can still have rapid regen, resto ult and troll king.
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Volckodav✭✭✭Donnasnowheart_ESO wrote: »
Honestly I see more often Bogdan in BG than Earthgore (not the same in CP)0 -
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✭✭In no cp 4v4v4 BGs, every healer can be killed, as long as you can bring enough dmg and coordination. Some builds can be insanely tanky, but they also essentially have 0 dmg output. So the 3 remaining team members have to pull bigger numbers in comparison. A healer can carry a game and force a win, but so can another team with 4 dd who focus fire on the same target and apply constant cc/pressure. In the old CP battlegrounds it WAS definately broken. But that is a CP issue.
To everyone complaining about stamina selfhealing... seriously, L2P. In battlegrounds magicka groups are more dominant to stamina anyway, because less mobility is required. Mobility being the strong point of stam. A coordinated group of 4 magwardens will steamroll any other team with ease. People who still think vigor is OP, please go get farmed with the rest of your bleeds and oblivion spamming zerglings in that resource tower.2 -
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✭✭✭CatchMeTrolling wrote: »"CatchMeTrolling wrote: »
My magplar, magblade and magwarden can put up high off heals easier, so yeah it’s clear you don’t know what you’re talking about and speaking within your skill level. Or just trolling.
Agree completely about Templar and warden, I’ve even seen good sorcs and DK hybrids. But NBs? I’ve never seen a good magblade hybrid, too many necessary buffs for damage taking up your skill slots.
Do you just mean back barring soul siphon or the rest ult, maybe rapid regen? I’m curious as a NB healer because when I’ve tried hybriding I feel less effective, whereas on a templar it felt natural, and magwarden I lean more towards damage.
You’re not a hybrid, you just off heal which for the longest magblade was the best at without sacrificing much. Certain things got nerfed but you can still have rapid regen, resto ult and troll king.
Ah okay, so maybe if they work at it they can pull 150k healing in a long BG. Those are moreso self healing abilities than hybrid, but I know what you’re saying. I was thinking hybrid as in pushing 300k+ healing which Templar and Warden can do pretty easily with good dps numbers.
Vigor is OP really, it’s been designed to be OP because stamina don’t have access to resto or class based magicka healing abilities. I can see why devs did it to give stamina some healing, so I don’t think they should nerf it, but it is stronger than any resto non-ultimate ability. It looks to me like they gave stamina one really powerful heal to make up for otherwise limited healing toolkit.Edited by Iskiab on March 12, 2019 3:20AMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten1 -
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✭CatchMeTrolling wrote: »"CatchMeTrolling wrote: »
My magplar, magblade and magwarden can put up high off heals easier, so yeah it’s clear you don’t know what you’re talking about and speaking within your skill level. Or just trolling.
Agree completely about Templar and warden, I’ve even seen good sorcs and DK hybrids. But NBs? I’ve never seen a good magblade hybrid, too many necessary buffs for damage taking up your skill slots.
Do you just mean back barring soul siphon or the rest ult, maybe rapid regen? I’m curious as a NB healer because when I’ve tried hybriding I feel less effective, whereas on a templar it felt natural, and magwarden I lean more towards damage.
You’re not a hybrid, you just off heal which for the longest magblade was the best at without sacrificing much. Certain things got nerfed but you can still have rapid regen, resto ult and troll king.
Ah okay, so maybe if they work at it they can pull 150k healing in a long BG. Those are moreso self healing abilities than hybrid, but I know what you’re saying. I was thinking hybrid as in pushing 300k+ healing which Templar and Warden can do pretty easily with good dps numbers.
Vigor is OP really, it’s been designed to be OP because stamina don’t have access to resto or class based magicka healing abilities. I can see why devs did it to give stamina some healing, so I don’t think they should nerf it, but it is stronger than any resto non-ultimate ability. It looks to me like they gave stamina one really powerful heal to make up for otherwise limited healing toolkit.
Doesn’t have to be a long bg. It’s the just the simple fact that everything that heals you heals your allies too. @Lexxypwns pretty much average 300k heals at one point.
As far as vigor it’s not op but it’s silly how many people try to downplay how strong it is in cp and no cp.
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✭Finally, a healer nerf.
No one is safe, no one.
Nerf them all to oblivion.
Another pvp'er asking for a nerf.4
