BOSS is it you?

Ironically this thread just popped up

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/437958/total-dark-reflecting-dots-and-hurricane#latest

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Bleeds arent' really even a moderate issue in the game currently. The masters bleed is the only real exception, and it probably could handle a slight nerf.

The rending and cleave bleeds are incredibly weak though by themselves, so if you are having issues with them, it's L2P.

I'm not going to lie: In PVP- a Cleave from the Master's Battle Axe is ridonkulous against a group. I'm also incredibly excited to see the Blackrose Bow's bleed. (especially now that it can hit enemies 28m away) My Bosmer NB is eagerly awaiting.

Nerf everything that kills me

TequilaFire wrote: »

Spartabunny08 wrote: »

There is no valid counter against this builds, even a templar cant purge the bleeds because they are SO cheap and easy to reapply. Axe bleed is free and rending is so low cost that it doesnt matter how much you purge - its always cheaper to just re-apply the bleeds.

Question you say you can't purge it in the beginning I'm guessing purify from the templar, then you say it doesn't matter how much you purge? So how does one purge this? Is it because as soon as one were to purge this it is just reapplied? Thanks for any info would like to survive lol

Try killing the opponent, they are in melee range you know.
Also stop building glass cannons.
The deer in headlights just dies.

Stacking bleeds and dots obliterate even 50k health heavy armor builds. So you don't have to be a "glass cannon" for this kind of damage to be effective. The last thing bleeds and damage over time needed on this game was buffs.

I don't know what they are smoking but it must be some good stuff to think this is a good idea - if indeed it is true.

TequilaFire wrote: »

Spartabunny08 wrote: »

There is no valid counter against this builds, even a templar cant purge the bleeds because they are SO cheap and easy to reapply. Axe bleed is free and rending is so low cost that it doesnt matter how much you purge - its always cheaper to just re-apply the bleeds.

Question you say you can't purge it in the beginning I'm guessing purify from the templar, then you say it doesn't matter how much you purge? So how does one purge this? Is it because as soon as one were to purge this it is just reapplied? Thanks for any info would like to survive lol

Try killing the opponent, they are in melee range you know.
Also stop building glass cannons.
The deer in headlights just dies.

I just don’t think it impacts glass cannon builds. If it overperforms against any and all builds and classes.

Oh I blocked your attacks? Cool, I bled out for 25K worth of damage on a Nord DK in heavy brass, who was also blocking the attacks.

Seems legit.

I mean...wasn't everyone complaining about unkillable DPS in heavy armor nuking people left and right in PvP while being nigh untouchable themselves? Maybe this is ZOS' answer to that. I personally rarely PvP (usually only during Midyear for AP, will do it again next month for the PvP week of the Jubilee), so I can't say one way or the other if this is an effective counter to something I've seen numerous threads about. If this IS how ZOS is trying to bring a counter to the so-called unkillable DPS rolling around in Cyro, then it doesn't surprise me it's such a heavy-handed approach. We all know ZOS is best at making massive sweeping changes to things all at once, rather than introducing smaller changes over a period of time. Heck, even if this isn't meant as some sort of counter, it still falls in line with ZOS' tendency to jump to extremes first.

Iskiab wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Bleeds are OP! They’re OP against players that stack resistances, damage shields, or don’t have a healer.

I think these threads are made by people who haven’t figured how pvp is in this game. Someone comes up with a spec that works because it counters what other players are doing, opponents adapt and change so the player’s spec stops working, then the person runs to the forums to make a ‘nerf x’ thread instead of adapting again.

Not adapting is getting outplayed.

Damge shields and resistance is not an effective counter to players who stack bleeds and DoTs on you.

Getting a healer might be. Though expecting players to carry around a pocket healer with them that keeps them alive as a counter isn't really realistic - especially considering they could just kill the healer anyway.

I'm not sure if I would say they are "OP" but it's certainly powerful and does not warrant any further buffs. It's already very effective.

You’re right, resistances and shields don’t work against unmitigatable damage. Have you tried buffing your health and self-healing?

Bleeds are a set damage amount that doesn’t scale with stats. A higher health pool, self healing and health regen seem to me to be the obvious answer.

I pvp heal so to me they’re laughably easy to counter. I don’t know what it’s like when I’m not there.

Higher health and some self healing helps you last longer. But eventually the damage will overwhelm you once enough of them are stacked on you - especially if there is more than one person applying them. It takes a real healer to counter it, at least in None CP. I haven't tried stacking health regen. That might be effective against them, though I doubt it.

Arunei wrote: »

I mean...wasn't everyone complaining about unkillable DPS in heavy armor nuking people left and right in PvP while being nigh untouchable themselves? Maybe this is ZOS' answer to that. I personally rarely PvP (usually only during Midyear for AP, will do it again next month for the PvP week of the Jubilee), so I can't say one way or the other if this is an effective counter to something I've seen numerous threads about. If this IS how ZOS is trying to bring a counter to the so-called unkillable DPS rolling around in Cyro, then it doesn't surprise me it's such a heavy-handed approach. We all know ZOS is best at making massive sweeping changes to things all at once, rather than introducing smaller changes over a period of time. Heck, even if this isn't meant as some sort of counter, it still falls in line with ZOS' tendency to jump to extremes first.

Now you have everyone in heavy stacking bleeds. Run deadly weapons and jewelry maybe even run sloads as your heavy armor set. pretty nasty.

Levelling a guy using 2h hammer atm, would I be best working on 2h axe instead then?