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How would you work a 24 player ultimate trial?
Inhuman003
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Alright, how would you guys a symbol a team of 24 players in this ultimate trial on normal mode and hard mode? This colossal behemoth monstrous trial should it be put in the game? Also, this is too much territory that's on a high level of results on a good and bad side of things. The reason Why I would not do a poll discussion is there's a normal mode point of view and a hard mode point of view to it.
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I would not. We only have 12 man trials and it is extremely doubtful Zos will add a 24 man trial. There is no need for it.8 -
Waseem✭✭✭✭✭
✭will be really good and a next step for ESO, except its not possible,
good investing in ESO days are over long time ago1 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Would be fun, but different size trials are not a good idea. Guilds always have issues because they don’t know how many people they want for raiding.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten2 -
Grandma✭✭✭✭✭the hp numbers would have to be severely inflated. 2 healers is all you need to heal any group of people; 2 olorimes still would get all 24 people unless i'm mistaken. Also, tanks depend on the trial and not a stable concept across all trials. As such, the extra 12 people would likely be dps, making average raid dps go from ~300k to 700k+.GH / 3/04/2021 / Elemental Catalyst Necromancer2 -
Inhuman003✭✭✭✭✭OK, then you got one major boss two medium bosses all-in-one Room and 1 of the medium bosses can summon an image of himself that needs to be taught so how many tanks do you need in that 1 Room and Healers and DPS?0
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Shawn_PT✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hard enough getting a group to progress through regular trials, finding 24 people with the same schedule would likely be impossible.8 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Hard enough getting a group to progress through regular trials, finding 24 people with the same schedule would likely be impossible.
Recruit 16, then rotate players. You’ll always be short if you try to only have 12.
Without rotations usually guilds fall apart when key members leave too.
Edited by Iskiab on March 7, 2019 10:41PMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten3 -
Nestor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I watched one of those Celestial take downs from WOW. It was kind of boring as it just looked like people spamming rotations for 15 minutes.
Ignoring the logistics of herding 24 Cats, I mean Players into an event, there needs to be mechanics that require each and every person to be on their game and doing what they need to do. This can be positioning, synergies, splitting the party for some or all of the fights. Otherwise, it would be just mash the keys to get the numbers.Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
PakKat "Everything was going well, until I died"
Gary Gravestink "I am glad you died, I needed the help"5 -
Artim_X✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Group of 24 vs faction stack with the goal of dethroning an evil emperor. Oh wait that's already in the game, but we'll soon be able to zerg down a daedric artifact wielder. Depending on how zos implements that the user of the artifact might be akin to a trial boss.
In relation to PvE I don't particularly like the idea of a 24 man trial.(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Pets- Roleplay Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Kinras's jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Shocking Soul (Shock damage, Class Mastery Signature Script, and Empower), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Storm Pulsar, Streak, Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Storms, Shocking Burst (Shock Damage, remove 1 negative effect, and interrupt) and Thunderous Rage.
Solo: Use Kinras's chest, replace Mora with Ring of the Pale Order, and use a heavy Slimcraw piece for max critical.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNHVjemwxZHI2ZmQ2bTg1ZG0xOTZ3b2QwajBzNGxmaHh6OXRpN3p6YSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/eBgWizk5dmZRS/giphy.gifElectric-Heal- Stress free one bar pet build .
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants. No chest piece), 1 medium Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, medium, Max Mag Enchants), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant ring and necklace (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant), Oakensoul ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)
- Ability-Bar: Daedric Prey, Summon Volatile Familiar, Bound Armaments, Unstable Wall of Storms, Summon Twilight Matriarch, and Greater storm Atronach.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Iceheart (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Prismatic Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), Combat Physician restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and combat physician ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable with Prismatic Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Prismtaic Enchants). Knight Slayer (Swift with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Regenerative Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that primarily utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward/Breath of life, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifEye of the Queen- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/44/1c/fd441c8242af6ec35ada94496feb0901.gifEye of the King- My casual one bar heavy attack Arcanist build that primarily utilizes Herald of the Tome abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Pragmatic Fatecarver, Cephaliarch's Flail, Rune of Displacement, Inspired Scholarship/Evolving Runemend, and The Languid Eye.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExOTAzdjV1eTgwbDFmM3lrZmxuMXRqdDR3Y3h1ZDRpajR0M3VjZzQ3NSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/zXmbOaTpbY6mA/giphy.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Race Against Time, Rune of Uncanny Adoration, Evolving Runemend, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Steed for speed. Gotta go fast!
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp/Arcanist: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar/arcanist will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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kojou✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It is hard enough to get 12 players to show up for some guilds. 24 would be almost unattainable for all but a few.Playing since beta...0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The 24-man content I played was organized raiding in PVP.
You can get 24+ people to show up for raid night on a regular basis. You can even get them to do training together and practice and mesh gear and skills together for some amazing teamwork, night after night.
In PVP, there are clear benefits to running larger organized groups, and its in a context where the difficulty comes from fighting lots of other players or from fighting for the campaign win, none of which requires the devs to introduce new mechanics to challenge these groups.
But even there, it takes a ton of commitment, both from the raid leads and from the team. We also had the benefit where while the basics of Cyrodiil were always the same, no fight and no campaign ever went the same way twice, which helped stave off boredom.
So could PVE players do a 24-man trial?
Sure, I don't see why they couldn't.
I guess the real question is whether or not its something PVE players are interested in committing the tine and effort to doing. And whether the Devs are interested in tackling that design challenge.2 -
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✭✭✭✭Until trials get implemented into group finder, I’d guess it’d be a whole lot of hassle to get enough people into a large raid like that.
Though it’d be interesting to see some areas require group splits like Hel Ra, maybe into four groups of 61 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Please no. It’s already near impossible to finish a 12 man trial like vHoF or vMoL without people crashing.3 -
Glaiceana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Assuming it can run smoothly and no bugs, it would be potentially a lot of fun! There could be a lot of mechanics where the group needs to split individually. Like you will need tanks in totally different locations focusing on their own stuff, but you still must coordinate the dds and healers. You could have mechanics that are there to prevent chaos, so you will be punished for having too many people running around crazy. A cool one would be a rescue mechanic where one half must rescue the other 12 from some sort of wipe mechanic. So while you sometimes must go separate ways, you always have to come back together to continue. And of course all 24 must be absolutely necessary for the final boss! If it feels like you could have completed it with 12 or less, then the point of the trial failed. It must be challenging enough to warrant that many players.Priests of Hircine
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DarkPicture✭✭✭✭✭My fps could drop from 15 to... i dont even know how low so no, thanks.Edited by DarkPicture on March 8, 2019 1:03AM3
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✭✭1st of all a 24 man trial while awesome and great on paper would be an absolute lag and bug fest in ESO just wouldn't happen
2nd finding 11 other people to do a trial is hard enough especially on console but now we have to find 23 other people this 24 man trial would cater to 1% of the 1% pretty much.
I actually have many ideas on how a 24 man trial would work in ESO and have mechanics that would be pretty cool
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✭✭✭Neverwinter's Temple of Tiamat was as 25 man PUG raid. You couldn't not group into TOT - it would put you in an instance with 24 other random players and gave you like 5 minutes of prep time to get the teams situated.
The trial could be essentially carried by 3 or 4 good players provided the rest of the raid had a good understanding of what was occurring.
It was a really unique and fun experience and made runs of TOT very enjoyable. There were times where you would literally win with 1 second left and times where you lost in the midst of animating the winning blow.
It also housed some of the best gear in the game, which worked out well because it rarely ever dropped an item - it instead dropped tokens which meant getting your coveted dragonforged items was based on your capability of winning. If you are a garbage player, you'd be in there multiple times a day, every day, for a month before getting it. A tremendous player would get it in 10-12 runs.Edited by usmcjdking on March 8, 2019 1:32AM0331
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✭We already have a 24 man trial.
Its called cyrodiil.
Trying to stay online is the hardest mechanic.3 -
ccfeeling✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭24 man trials ? Sounds funny .
I think it will not be a problem at Normal difficulty . It's easy to carry by experienced players .
But It's another story at Vet , higher skills level and coordination are required , no casual run .
Such as VHRC Yokeda Kai , VSO - Ozara , VMOL - twins .
DEV will upgrade all mobs HP and damage to scale to 24 man , I predicted the failure rate will be increased if PUG , even guild trial lol .
Like @RebornV3x said , it's hard to find 24 raiders , especially in non peak hours .
From my point of view , it's good to try , lauch at PTS please lol .0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭People complain about their 12 player Trials being laggy crashfests already. And you want to double that?CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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