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is it okay to make black list about trade center guilds clickbaiter ??
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Billdor✭✭✭✭
false , my point is zos better make global AH , so no point of your comment
No point in you being on these forums or playing this game with an attitude like that.1 -
Skwor✭✭✭✭✭
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false , my point is zos better make global AH , so no point of your comment
LOL, they better make it or what?
Uhm, since when do you get to decide what this game should or should not have exclusive of the rest of the player base 😂Edited by Skwor on March 5, 2019 1:03PM2 -
NoTimeToWait✭✭✭✭✭Don't use TTC. If you want to use it, be prepared to meet its inadequacies in certain aspects. Like the items, that were removed\sold out before you managed to get them.
I myself don't use TTC as a buyer for the same reason: many of the items are just not there when I go to buy them.
Though I do use TTC to post my own listings as a seller.1 -
zaria✭✭✭✭✭
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This makes no sense, what do you try to say.like name guild etc , cuz its very [snip] stupid when they just bait people to go to their shop , i wish ZEN for love of god to make global AH cuz third party is just trash without any punishment system
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Get lower down that you want an AH but this post sounds like complining about guilds somehow, spamming perhaps?
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
omarxz11✭✭I can’t even understand the original post.
Is it okay — fine
To make blacklist about —fine
Trade center guilds clickbaiter. — you lost me.
Someone explain the problem to me, I can’t parse this today
sorry was little bit vague , i was just afraid if i make a big post about X guild is bunch of scammers is against game TOS for ( Witch Hunt )1 -
omarxz11✭✭Androconium wrote: »VexingArcanist wrote: »Androconium wrote: »VexingArcanist wrote: »10% penalty for removing a posting before it sells or 30 days has past. Nips the OPs issue in the bud pretty damn quick.
100k item? 10k lost. You won't be spamming that on all your traders as a sucker lure.
You already lose the original posting fee...
I actually can't make out what the problem is. This reply suggests that people are placing items for sale, then when a purchaser returns, it has been sold or removed.
I get around that by taking gold with me when I go shopping. Like, der...
No this is about the Trade Center, to many daft individuals misunderstanding the OP. Tamriel Trade Center. It's abused by people who post the same items at low prices on all their guild traders removing it each time and having it on NONE in the end. The purpose? To lure you there, some times the item is reposted at a much steeper price or a bait and switch item at the original price, like a piece of Training gear in lieu of better, in hopes you won't check that and just buy because that is the price and the location.
Please people, get out from under your rock.
Well, neither Tamriel Trade Centre or its acronym, TTC, were mentioned clearly in the title, or the original jumble of words presented as the post.is it okay to make black list about trade center guilds clickbaiter ??
Therefore, your assertion that many daft individuals misunderstood the post, is a misunderstanding in itself.many daft individuals misunderstanding the OP
To demonstrate the rock that I hide under on a regular basis, neither TTC or MM (Merchant Master) are entirely reliable solutions to how to effective price or value any items placed for sale.Please people, get out from under your rock
didn't want to make title too long , and i already mention ( Trade Center ) instead of Tamriel Trade center , cuz some other websites forums just cut part of the title if it were too long
"To demonstrate the rock that I hide under on a regular basis, neither TTC or MM (Merchant Master) are entirely reliable solutions to how to effective price or value any items placed for sale."
and yet you don't have other choice beside them , they are the only thing in the game that work as *** global AH , and like i said in main post i don't have problem with TTC , my problem is the TTC or atleast someone post which guild clickbait so you don't have each time to travel to X location and find the price is x10 higher than what it post on website they need to get punishment or block their account by one way or another1 -
omarxz11✭✭
false , my point is zos better make global AH , so no point of your comment
No point in you being on these forums or playing this game with an attitude like that.
go cry somewhere else , you disrespect my post by saying ( post has no point ) and yet expect people to treat you good1 -
omarxz11✭✭
false , my point is zos better make global AH , so no point of your comment
LOL, they better make it or what?
Uhm, since when do you get to decide what this game should or should not have exclusive of the rest of the player base 😂
same thing goes to you , also don't make me say things i didn't said , i said ( its better ) i didn't said ( ITS A MUST OR IT WILL BE DEAD GAME AND EVERYONE NEEDS IT IN THEIR LIFE ) grow up0 -
omarxz11✭✭
This makes no sense, what do you try to say.like name guild etc , cuz its very [snip] stupid when they just bait people to go to their shop , i wish ZEN for love of god to make global AH cuz third party is just trash without any punishment system
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Get lower down that you want an AH but this post sounds like complining about guilds somehow, spamming perhaps?
so you one of those people that anything ask for change is ( no make sense ) lol ok good luck kidEdited by omarxz11 on March 5, 2019 10:31PM0 -
omarxz11✭✭
This makes no sense, what do you try to say.like name guild etc , cuz its very [snip] stupid when they just bait people to go to their shop , i wish ZEN for love of god to make global AH cuz third party is just trash without any punishment system
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Get lower down that you want an AH but this post sounds like complining about guilds somehow, spamming perhaps?
so you one of thous people that anything ask for change is ( no make sense ) lol ok good luck kidredspecter23 wrote: »You can create your own blacklist containing whoever you want. You get 100 slots on your ignore list and can even add notes. If you wanted to do a blacklist out of game, I don't think ZOS can stop you. If you spread a blacklist around in game, they could take action against you for naming and shaming so keep that in mind.
so what about post it on say reddit for example will it still be not okay ?0 -
IzzyStardust✭✭✭✭✭
✭VexingArcanist wrote: »Androconium wrote: »VexingArcanist wrote: »10% penalty for removing a posting before it sells or 30 days has past. Nips the OPs issue in the bud pretty damn quick.
100k item? 10k lost. You won't be spamming that on all your traders as a sucker lure.
You already lose the original posting fee...
I actually can't make out what the problem is. This reply suggests that people are placing items for sale, then when a purchaser returns, it has been sold or removed.
I get around that by taking gold with me when I go shopping. Like, der...
No this is about the Trade Center, to many daft individuals misunderstanding the OP. Tamriel Trade Center. It's abused by people who post the same items at low prices on all their guild traders removing it each time and having it on NONE in the end. The purpose? To lure you there, some times the item is reposted at a much steeper price or a bait and switch item at the original price, like a piece of Training gear in lieu of better, in hopes you won't check that and just buy because that is the price and the location.
Please people, get out from under your rock.
This happens allllll the time. Could be 2-3 minutes and no one else at trader and still. Then boom same thing way more expensive or very similar thing but at good trait/level price with bad trait or level.0 -
IzzyStardust✭✭✭✭✭
✭As for TTC; I’m not convinced the creator doesn’t only display a filter of items from low to high price, but omitting the really low listed items from public view on the website, so that they can snatch up alll the good deals because anyone using the site cannot see all the data, only what they choose to display. Especially since everyone pretty much automatically ignores outliers in their actual add ons, they even have convenient options for this. (Sets tin foil hat back on special stand and covers with Perspex case so no proofbeams can get to it)3 -
bearbelly✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭IzzyStardust wrote: »As for TTC; I’m not convinced the creator doesn’t only display a filter of items from low to high price, but omitting the really low listed items from public view on the website, so that they can snatch up alll the good deals because anyone using the site cannot see all the data, only what they choose to display.
D'oh! I never even considered that. :shakefist:
What? A tinfoil hat for me? Why, thank you so much!
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El_Borracho✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Another Auction House thread. UGH.
If you want an auction, do what players are already doing: HOLD AN AUCTION. I've seen this at least once a week at the tent/pergola where the New Life lady hangs out.2 -
Castagere✭✭✭✭✭
✭The system sucks because in one guild trader a 2hd sword with sharpen on it will cost 5000 in one spot and 100k in another spot. A global AH would prevent that.0 -
El_Borracho✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The system sucks because in one guild trader a 2hd sword with sharpen on it will cost 5000 in one spot and 100k in another spot. A global AH would prevent that.
But it would not. In most cases, I've seen the situation you are talking about working in favor of the buyer. As in the seller does not know the true value of what they are selling. For example, I bought a Spell Strategist Inferno Staff, albeit in sharpened, for 7,000. Good luck finding that again.
What you are talking about is a fool who doesn't go around to see what other prices are out there, overpays for something, then cries foul. When the only person to blame is the buyer. Nobody makes anyone fork over 100K on a sword you can buy for 5K. BOO HOO.
And since a global auction house would operate the same way as a silent auction, what would prevent these nefarious guild traders from artificially inflating bids to drive up the price? After all, the only money they would lose would be the premium the auction house would get, similar to the premium the guild trader gets.0 -
bearbelly✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭El_Borracho wrote: »The system sucks because in one guild trader a 2hd sword with sharpen on it will cost 5000 in one spot and 100k in another spot. A global AH would prevent that.
But it would not. In most cases, I've seen the situation you are talking about working in favor of the buyer. As in the seller does not know the true value of what they are selling. For example, I bought a Spell Strategist Inferno Staff, albeit in sharpened, for 7,000. Good luck finding that again.
What you are talking about is a fool who doesn't go around to see what other prices are out there, overpays for something, then cries foul. When the only person to blame is the buyer. Nobody makes anyone fork over 100K on a sword you can buy for 5K. BOO HOO.
And since a global auction house would operate the same way as a silent auction, what would prevent these nefarious guild traders from artificially inflating bids to drive up the price? After all, the only money they would lose would be the premium the auction house would get, similar to the premium the guild trader gets.
I've done that, as a buyer, quite a few times (bought things at, what I find out a few seconds later, a much higher price than I should have), but I don't rage about it. I beat myself up for a few minutes for making a stoopid mistake, but then I move on.
Because it's my fault when that happens.3 -
El_Borracho✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭El_Borracho wrote: »The system sucks because in one guild trader a 2hd sword with sharpen on it will cost 5000 in one spot and 100k in another spot. A global AH would prevent that.
But it would not. In most cases, I've seen the situation you are talking about working in favor of the buyer. As in the seller does not know the true value of what they are selling. For example, I bought a Spell Strategist Inferno Staff, albeit in sharpened, for 7,000. Good luck finding that again.
What you are talking about is a fool who doesn't go around to see what other prices are out there, overpays for something, then cries foul. When the only person to blame is the buyer. Nobody makes anyone fork over 100K on a sword you can buy for 5K. BOO HOO.
And since a global auction house would operate the same way as a silent auction, what would prevent these nefarious guild traders from artificially inflating bids to drive up the price? After all, the only money they would lose would be the premium the auction house would get, similar to the premium the guild trader gets.
I've done that, as a buyer, quite a few times (bought things at, what I find out a few seconds later, a much higher price than I should have), but I don't rage about it. I beat myself up for a few minutes for making a stoopid mistake, but then I move on.
Because it's my fault when that happens.
Dude, we all have. And you just have to be okay with it. Was the extra 5-10K you paid worth running to a couple other guild centers? Maybe. Its one of those things where you set a cap on how much you are willing to pay for an item and go with it.
Now, to be clear, I have NEVER paid 100K for anything in this game. I think the most I paid at any time was 20K for the other Spell Strat staff, probably for some PVP gear pieces, and I think one motif where I wanted to finish a 100+ writ.
Heck, the easiest thing to acquire in this game is gold. Run a vet Craglorn trial, get some Undaunted Plunder, and its like it never happened.0 -
bearbelly✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭El_Borracho wrote: »El_Borracho wrote: »The system sucks because in one guild trader a 2hd sword with sharpen on it will cost 5000 in one spot and 100k in another spot. A global AH would prevent that.
But it would not. In most cases, I've seen the situation you are talking about working in favor of the buyer. As in the seller does not know the true value of what they are selling. For example, I bought a Spell Strategist Inferno Staff, albeit in sharpened, for 7,000. Good luck finding that again.
What you are talking about is a fool who doesn't go around to see what other prices are out there, overpays for something, then cries foul. When the only person to blame is the buyer. Nobody makes anyone fork over 100K on a sword you can buy for 5K. BOO HOO.
And since a global auction house would operate the same way as a silent auction, what would prevent these nefarious guild traders from artificially inflating bids to drive up the price? After all, the only money they would lose would be the premium the auction house would get, similar to the premium the guild trader gets.
I've done that, as a buyer, quite a few times (bought things at, what I find out a few seconds later, a much higher price than I should have), but I don't rage about it. I beat myself up for a few minutes for making a stoopid mistake, but then I move on.
Because it's my fault when that happens.
Dude, we all have. And you just have to be okay with it. Was the extra 5-10K you paid worth running to a couple other guild centers? Maybe. Its one of those things where you set a cap on how much you are willing to pay for an item and go with it.
Now, to be clear, I have NEVER paid 100K for anything in this game. I think the most I paid at any time was 20K for the other Spell Strat staff, probably for some PVP gear pieces, and I think one motif where I wanted to finish a 100+ writ.
Heck, the easiest thing to acquire in this game is gold. Run a vet Craglorn trial, get some Undaunted Plunder, and its like it never happened.
Oh, I'm totally ok with it happening. Nine times out of ten, it has happened in the Windhelm guildstore center; I buy a thing at one store, and when I move to the adjacent one, I see the thing I just bought at a much lower cost. And it was usually crafting mats.
I started using TTC for the more expensive stuff I occasionally look for, and I don't thing I've ever paid more than 50K for something, but there are a couple of things that I covet which seem to hold at 85K or higher. I'll nab them when I'm able, because, like you say, gold is stupid-easy to acquire. As such, it's easy come, easy go. So when I make a dumb mistake, I swallow it, bitter as it may be for a few minutes, but then I move on. I'll earn the gold back easy enough,1 -
FreshlyB8ked✭✭✭✭Wait am I reading this right? OP wants the game changed because of some out of game content isn't meshing well? Why should ESO change to fix the TC website? Just silly.
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zergbase_ESO✭✭✭✭Shop system is pain in backside for the buyer, but is healthy to game economy.
-Creates huge gold sink
-Adds competition between guilds to hunt for best spots
-Because of gold sink, there is no inflation or it rises very slowly
-Prices are harder to manipulate
-Adds some sort of flavour to the game
Downsides
-Harder time to find a thing you actually want
-Harder to compare prices
-Bigger guilds can create monopoly on best spots that smaller guilds probably never be able to get
-Creating ghost guilds just to secure spots.
This is the gist of it. I would love an AH because I refuse to buy anything from traders due to clunky system and fact I have to check all them to find a good price. So far with interface change might be step in right direction.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭If I visit a trader and send the data to TTC and one minute later someone else does the same TTC lists the item twice. It isn't people putting the same item in then taking it out over and over it is a lot of people seeing one item and TTC not knowing it is one item.
I am in one of the more successful trade guilds. For hot items if I drop the price just a bit it will be gone in minutes. Sometimes it is gone before I am done listing other items. What I consider a hot item is one that will be high in demand for just a short time. The traffic is heavy and things get sold really quick. That is why we spend millions to get that spot.
I also know a few players who do nothing but buy items to flip them for gold. It is what they think is the most fun part of the game. People who are on the leader boards for trials spend a lot of time in front of practice dummies. People who are making millions of gold are spending time acquiring items to sell for profit. I don't begrudge either their success. They are willing to put more time into the respective aspects of the game than I am and should be rewarded for it.
An auction house would be a dismal failure. Two or three people could monopolize the market on rare items and common items would drop to almost vendor prices. With over 200 trade locations in the game it is impossible to monopolize the high end items. All those locations also provide a buffer for low end items. You can charge than you would be able to with a central system.
and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."4 -
Ecileh71✭✭✭Everything that frustrates me about the traders could be solved in one feature: global search.
I'm happy to travel to the other side of the world to buy something I want...I get annoyed running all over the place looking for it.
It would also make it much easier to figure out what the going rate for any given item is--instead of having to visit multiple traders and do multiple searches in multiple cities to see that 200 Rubedite ingots can cost anywhere from 3-10K.
(Please don't tell me to go to TTC. I have tried and every time I do, the place is virtually empty.)(Seriously. Who do I have to kill around here to figure out how much alchemical resin sells for??)1 -
El_Borracho✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Everything that frustrates me about the traders could be solved in one feature: global search.
I'm happy to travel to the other side of the world to buy something I want...I get annoyed running all over the place looking for it.
It would also make it much easier to figure out what the going rate for any given item is--instead of having to visit multiple traders and do multiple searches in multiple cities to see that 200 Rubedite ingots can cost anywhere from 3-10K.
(Please don't tell me to go to TTC. I have tried and every time I do, the place is virtually empty.)(Seriously. Who do I have to kill around here to figure out how much alchemical resin sells for??)
This would be... INCREDIBLE. Best idea I have heard about this, ever. Seriously. Which means it will never happen.0 -
kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Everything that frustrates me about the traders could be solved in one feature: global search.
I'm happy to travel to the other side of the world to buy something I want...I get annoyed running all over the place looking for it.
It would also make it much easier to figure out what the going rate for any given item is--instead of having to visit multiple traders and do multiple searches in multiple cities to see that 200 Rubedite ingots can cost anywhere from 3-10K.
(Please don't tell me to go to TTC. I have tried and every time I do, the place is virtually empty.)(Seriously. Who do I have to kill around here to figure out how much alchemical resin sells for??)
How up to date could a global search be? I don't know but I am going to guess it can't be updated after every deposit or sale without eating up server resources? I would like a search within each zone but not if it affects game play. I think that would be a decent compromise. You could see all the traders in The Rift for instance if you were in The Rift. Doing it that way would make finding what you need easier but still allow for flippers to play their game.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."0 -
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✭✭✭✭Androconium wrote: »VexingArcanist wrote: »Androconium wrote: »VexingArcanist wrote: »10% penalty for removing a posting before it sells or 30 days has past. Nips the OPs issue in the bud pretty damn quick.
100k item? 10k lost. You won't be spamming that on all your traders as a sucker lure.
You already lose the original posting fee...
I actually can't make out what the problem is. This reply suggests that people are placing items for sale, then when a purchaser returns, it has been sold or removed.
I get around that by taking gold with me when I go shopping. Like, der...
No this is about the Trade Center, to many daft individuals misunderstanding the OP. Tamriel Trade Center. It's abused by people who post the same items at low prices on all their guild traders removing it each time and having it on NONE in the end. The purpose? To lure you there, some times the item is reposted at a much steeper price or a bait and switch item at the original price, like a piece of Training gear in lieu of better, in hopes you won't check that and just buy because that is the price and the location.
Please people, get out from under your rock.
Well, neither Tamriel Trade Centre or its acronym, TTC, were mentioned clearly in the title, or the original jumble of words presented as the post.is it okay to make black list about trade center guilds clickbaiter ??
Therefore, your assertion that many daft individuals misunderstood the post, is a misunderstanding in itself.many daft individuals misunderstanding the OP
To demonstrate the rock that I hide under on a regular basis, neither TTC or MM (Merchant Master) are entirely reliable solutions to how to effective price or value any items placed for sale.Please people, get out from under your rock
didn't want to make title too long , and i already mention ( Trade Center ) instead of Tamriel Trade center , cuz some other websites forums just cut part of the title if it were too long
"To demonstrate the rock that I hide under on a regular basis, neither TTC or MM (Merchant Master) are entirely reliable solutions to how to effective price or value any items placed for sale."
and yet you don't have other choice beside them , they are the only thing in the game that work as *** global AH , and like i said in main post i don't have problem with TTC , my problem is the TTC or atleast someone post which guild clickbait so you don't have each time to travel to X location and find the price is x10 higher than what it post on website they need to get punishment or block their account by one way or another
ZOS wont take action to ban or block accounts for this. Just like they dont block accounts for players that post 1x jute for 1 million gold. Or soul gems for 500k.
TTC and MM are addons that are restricted buy the information that they receive and the ZOS api. Its 100% amateur and volunteer.
As for ZOS they wont make a global real time search feature that harms performance. And anyone that runs MM in a trade guild will understand what a resource hog that would be. No the only thing I see ZOS doing is changing their API so that these addons cant be used at all.0 -
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✭notimetocare wrote: »Shop system is pain in backside for the buyer, but is healthy to game economy.
-Creates huge gold sink
-Adds competition between guilds to hunt for best spots
-Because of gold sink, there is no inflation or it rises very slowly
-Prices are harder to manipulate
-Adds some sort of flavour to the game
Downsides
-Harder time to find a thing you actually want
-Harder to compare prices
-Bigger guilds can create monopoly on best spots that smaller guilds probably never be able to get
-Creating ghost guilds just to secure spots.
"-Adds competition between guilds to hunt for best spots" , well what does it matter when you go to trade center and search for cheapest item , there is no competition here and doesn't matter where you are since TC already playing global AH role , to put ice on cake it makes new player/causals get scammed very easy with selling their stuff for cheap and buying it expensive
TC is a search feature. It changes nothing of the backbone of the system. Every game with an AH has far worse problems. Ever want to buy something but disappointed to find out that one guy has them all posted for the same inflated price? Because one guy has an insane amount of inflated gold and can easily spam buy out everything cheaper.
Or are you confused at why the prices go higher and higher over time? Same guy is getting more and more gold and can do as he pleases because competition is getting less and less.
Happens every time. Not one person, technically. But each item will get its king. The buyer loses, the kingpin wins.
This can and does happen with the trader system. There is nothing that can be done to stop this short of making each item unique and can only own one at a time. That will not happen.0 -
Jhalin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭notimetocare wrote: »Shop system is pain in backside for the buyer, but is healthy to game economy.
-Creates huge gold sink
-Adds competition between guilds to hunt for best spots
-Because of gold sink, there is no inflation or it rises very slowly
-Prices are harder to manipulate
-Adds some sort of flavour to the game
Downsides
-Harder time to find a thing you actually want
-Harder to compare prices
-Bigger guilds can create monopoly on best spots that smaller guilds probably never be able to get
-Creating ghost guilds just to secure spots.
"-Adds competition between guilds to hunt for best spots" , well what does it matter when you go to trade center and search for cheapest item , there is no competition here and doesn't matter where you are since TC already playing global AH role , to put ice on cake it makes new player/causals get scammed very easy with selling their stuff for cheap and buying it expensive
TC is a search feature. It changes nothing of the backbone of the system. Every game with an AH has far worse problems. Ever want to buy something but disappointed to find out that one guy has them all posted for the same inflated price? Because one guy has an insane amount of inflated gold and can easily spam buy out everything cheaper.
Or are you confused at why the prices go higher and higher over time? Same guy is getting more and more gold and can do as he pleases because competition is getting less and less.
Happens every time. Not one person, technically. But each item will get its king. The buyer loses, the kingpin wins.
This can and does happen with the trader system. There is nothing that can be done to stop this short of making each item unique and can only own one at a time. That will not happen.
It cannot happen to the same effectiveness simply due to the trader system. John Doe can’t be at every trader at once. Load screens alone would make it take hours to hit every trade spot, during which other traders will have new listings and have buyers visit and purchase before John Doe can get there again.
Furthermore, there’s quite literally no way to monopolize an item because everyone in the game has equal access to those items. One person could buy out all the Briarheart rings in one town, but the next one over will have even more, and then the next, and people will still be farming them to list on those first traders he visited.
It’s simply not truly possible and definitely not worth it to spend the time and money trying to monopolize an item that will always be available through other means.Edited by Jhalin on March 6, 2019 10:05PM1
