Skwor wrote: »

omarxz11 wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

NO AH

seriously what do you think ?

People will still bait you to go to thier shop in AH and there will still be no punitive system in an AH.

So your post has no point that can be resolved by an AH.

false , my point is zos better make global AH , so no point of your comment

robpr wrote: »

Shop system is pain in backside for the buyer, but is healthy to game economy.

-Creates huge gold sink
-Adds competition between guilds to hunt for best spots
-Because of gold sink, there is no inflation or it rises very slowly
-Prices are harder to manipulate
-Adds some sort of flavour to the game

Downsides
-Harder time to find a thing you actually want
-Harder to compare prices
-Bigger guilds can create monopoly on best spots that smaller guilds probably never be able to get
-Creating ghost guilds just to secure spots.

It sucks for the buyer and the seller. If you're a seller, it means you have to set aside guild slots specifically for trade guilds. Then you need to login weekly and meet your weekly sales minimum/pay your dues. Guild masters then need to manage this whole mess, dedicating hours each week to updating spreadsheets with everyone's sales data so they can know who has met their minimums and who hasn't. It's a hassle for everyone involved.

I can’t even understand the original post.

Is it okay — fine
To make blacklist about —fine
Trade center guilds clickbaiter. — you lost me.

Someone explain the problem to me, I can’t parse this today

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

robpr wrote: »

Shop system is pain in backside for the buyer, but is healthy to game economy.

-Creates huge gold sink
-Adds competition between guilds to hunt for best spots
-Because of gold sink, there is no inflation or it rises very slowly
-Prices are harder to manipulate
-Adds some sort of flavour to the game

Downsides
-Harder time to find a thing you actually want
-Harder to compare prices
-Bigger guilds can create monopoly on best spots that smaller guilds probably never be able to get
-Creating ghost guilds just to secure spots.

It sucks for the buyer and the seller. If you're a seller, it means you have to set aside guild slots specifically for trade guilds. Then you need to login weekly and meet your weekly sales minimum/pay your dues. Guild masters then need to manage this whole mess, dedicating hours each week to updating spreadsheets with everyone's sales data so they can know who has met their minimums and who hasn't. It's a hassle for everyone involved.

Plus guilds have no effective knowledge of their members who are authorised to withdraw stuff from guild banks and strip them bare. This has happened often enough for it to be a major weakness with the guild trader system as the banks hold far more than traditional guild assets - it's compounded by the ability to join up to 5 guilds which lessens the guild loyalty members have, most are only in those guilds because they have to be in order to sell stuff.

Judging by the number of threads here over the years, I'd say that price manipulation is all too easy with the guild trader system, we're always seeing complaints with this system about the kind of practices that we're assured can only happen with an AH.

10% penalty for removing a posting before it sells or 30 days has past. Nips the OPs issue in the bud pretty damn quick.

100k item? 10k lost. You won't be spamming that on all your traders as a sucker lure.

VexingArcanist wrote: »

10% penalty for removing a posting before it sells or 30 days has past. Nips the OPs issue in the bud pretty damn quick.

100k item? 10k lost. You won't be spamming that on all your traders as a sucker lure.

Worst idea ever. If you post an item and unfortunately for you the prices crash before you get it sold, now you're stuck with a guild listing you can't use or pay a 10% fine to repost it at a lower price.... thumbs down to this idea.

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

robpr wrote: »

Shop system is pain in backside for the buyer, but is healthy to game economy.

-Creates huge gold sink
-Adds competition between guilds to hunt for best spots
-Because of gold sink, there is no inflation or it rises very slowly
-Prices are harder to manipulate
-Adds some sort of flavour to the game

Downsides
-Harder time to find a thing you actually want
-Harder to compare prices
-Bigger guilds can create monopoly on best spots that smaller guilds probably never be able to get
-Creating ghost guilds just to secure spots.

It sucks for the buyer and the seller. If you're a seller, it means you have to set aside guild slots specifically for trade guilds. Then you need to login weekly and meet your weekly sales minimum/pay your dues. Guild masters then need to manage this whole mess, dedicating hours each week to updating spreadsheets with everyone's sales data so they can know who has met their minimums and who hasn't. It's a hassle for everyone involved.

Yeah, maintaining good standing in trade guilds is a major negative in this game. All that guild chat auction spam is annoying too. The worst part is when you enjoy the people there, but have no interest in having that obligation every month. Some months I will sell a lot. Some I just want to enjoy the game. So I end up coming and going from a guild in a prime location as needed. And I despise the raffles.

I don't care about an optimal system. I just like less jumping through hoops. I don't know anything about AH since I don't really play any other multiplayer games where you can trade stuff. But there is no way I would put up with this system on console. At least on PC I can search on TTC and get a decent representation of what is out there.

Kikke wrote: »

omarxz11 wrote: »

robpr wrote: »

Shop system is pain in backside for the buyer, but is healthy to game economy.

-Creates huge gold sink
-Adds competition between guilds to hunt for best spots
-Because of gold sink, there is no inflation or it rises very slowly
-Prices are harder to manipulate
-Adds some sort of flavour to the game

Downsides
-Harder time to find a thing you actually want
-Harder to compare prices
-Bigger guilds can create monopoly on best spots that smaller guilds probably never be able to get
-Creating ghost guilds just to secure spots.

"-Adds competition between guilds to hunt for best spots" , well what does it matter when you go to trade center and search for cheapest item , there is no competition here and doesn't matter where you are since TC already playing global AH role , to put ice on cake it makes new player/causals get scammed very easy with selling their stuff for cheap and buying it expensive

So wierd, The only times I've ever used TTC webpage for anything have been if I've been hunting rare items. Who the frack tracks every transaction trough TTC? I often just go to the nearest trader and buy my potions and stuff from there.

So often I see I could save travelling to another guild but the gold isn't worth the wasted time.

I don't know how healthy it is for the economy when so many people just don't bother because they don't want the hassle. I can only imagine how horrible it is on console if you just want to sell a few rare items. Who will find them if you don't get in a prime location?

This is not a real problem. Bait and switch would be a useless waste of time in this game. I dont know a single player who does it, because it would be profitless.

Jayman1000 wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

I can’t even understand the original post.

Is it okay — fine
To make blacklist about —fine
Trade center guilds clickbaiter. — you lost me.

Someone explain the problem to me, I can’t parse this today

Initially I didnt understand what the OP was about either. By reading the comments I realized he is talking about Tamriel Trade Center website that lists guild trader listings based on those that have the addon installed that have seen these listings and upload it to Tamriel Trade Center. Im sure he is correct in assuming someone abuses the addon to make fake low-priced, highly-wanted listings, just to lure someone to visit their trader in hopes they'll buy something else. And then when they get there course the listing they came for is gone.

OP then suggest to somehow blacklist these players that does this (but no info about how exactly) and to make a global AH to fix this problem. In a sense it would, because a global AH would entirely make a website like Tamriel Trade Center redundant: You would be able to look up ALL listings in an ingame AH with one click.

However for many other reasons Im against a global AH. Someone here listed some pros for the current guild trader system, and I like those pro's, dont want it changed for a global AH. I also dont see how a blacklist system would be possible, how would anyone be able to verify that a player had posted a fake listing? There are many other reasons for people to take down a listing, even after their addon uploaded it.

Someone, correct me if I am wrong, but i believe that there is a provison in the API TOS and EULA that indicates that Addons can not block or ban people from using your addon. doing so could get your addon blocked from ESO. So a black list that blocks people from using TTC is out. Preventing people from listing, scanning, and then taking down the item is out. if that is the case (again i heard this somewhere but can not find the source so not sure if its true). Also if you use TTC your accepting its limitiations which are these: more people use the site than use the addon, the website relies on those to use the addon to scan stores so it can update (also less people), and there is a strong possibility that the person that scans the store is the one that buys the item you want (very possible if its a good deal). There's no indication without proof that someone is purposefully manipulating you, it could be they changed their mind or someone bought the thing.



As far as a Global AH goes. Can it be done? yes. Could it work? yes. However, the real question is what would it require? because i have had long arguments about this. based on conversations around this a conversion to a GAH from our current system would require 2 essential things.

First ZOS would need to find a replacement gold sink, that removes enough gold from the game each week, It would need to encourage players who have large quantities of gold to give it up willingly in favor of something else. Right now the gold flows to the Trade guilds who then remove it from the game to ensure access to the ability to earn more gold. you would need to replace this in an effective, stable, and ongoing way.

Second, and this is the larger more intimidating part. Everyone would need to start off with a clean slate. So this means a wipe of all banks, inventory, storage boxes, guild stores, guild banks and craft bags. This would have to be done to prevent the immediate destabilization of the economy. There are guilds and people who if you give them access to a GAH right now in ESO with their resources they WILL monopolize markets. They may actually do it after a wipe as well, but it will take longer and be easier to stop. but if a GAH were offered right now? there are items that would only show up at inflated prices, and it will just get worse.

Lastly we have to look at the benefits...Well with a Global AH i dont have to port around to various towns to look for an item. And thats pretty much it. you avoid a few load screens. Oh and you get some guild slots. Everything else has variance to it and can change. theres no gaurantee that prices won't inflate or deflate. And there is definitly no incentive for ZOS to overhaul the economy, since it works pretty well. can they change things to work better? yes and they are working on it.