Please Allow My Vampire to Wear Makeup

Tigerseye · March 2019

Genomic wrote: »

Ugh, it's hard to believe this thread is a discussion by adults. A protracted argument about dressup for your virtual dollies.

Says the grown-up "man" who still plays computer games? ;D

Androconium · March 2019

Tigerseye wrote: »

Genomic wrote: »

Ugh, it's hard to believe this thread is a discussion by adults. A protracted argument about dressup for your virtual dollies.

Says the grown-up "man" who still plays computer games? ;D

At what age is it appropriate to stop?

Your comment is somewhat offensive to those of us that played Star Wars, Galaxian and Mr Du as arcade games.
Without us, you wouldn't have all this now.

Vampires are pale and winnowy looking in real life. If you don't like the look, go and get cured.
The best vampire EVAH, was Bowie in 'The Hunger'.

Tigerseye · March 2019

Axmouth wrote: »

I too want Orc bonuses without looking like an Orc, can I have that then?

I think you should be able to, because I think the whole concept of unchangeable racials is too limiting and inflexible.

We all know that some races/species have certain advantages over others, but that doesn't mean that you don't have outliers and individuals that don't break the mould.

So, by all means start a race off with those stereotypical racials, if you want, but give the player the option to swap out of them, if they want to and into something else.

Tigerseye · March 2019

Sheezabeast wrote: »

How do vamps even put on makeup since they can't see their reflection in the mirror?

I had a friend who could put on bright red lipstick perfectly, every time, without a mirror.

She worked as a barmaid and would do it behind the bar, lol.

I wouldn't dare do that, as I would be worried I'd smear it all over my face, but she seemed to make it work.

max_only wrote: »

But lipstick and eyeshadow already work on vampires. There isn’t any “foundation” makeup in the game.

They could add some.

I would like one with slightly rosier cheeks and naturally pinker/light red glossed lips.

That would probably work well for making Vampires look more healthy, too.

KhajiitFelix · March 2019

Vampirism turned my dunmer into falmer! Help!

Tigerseye · March 2019

Androconium wrote: »

Tigerseye wrote: »

Genomic wrote: »

Ugh, it's hard to believe this thread is a discussion by adults. A protracted argument about dressup for your virtual dollies.

Says the grown-up "man" who still plays computer games? ;D

At what age is it appropriate to stop?

Your comment is somewhat offensive to those of us that played Star Wars, Galaxian and Mr Du as arcade games.
Without us, you wouldn't have all this now.

Mate, it's not "offensive", it's merely observational.

He's the one who made the insinuations of childishness, via his "dressup" of "virtual dollies" comment.

I'm just pointing out that it's a ridiculous case of projection.

I play computer games, too.

Stop being so over-sensitive.

Kelces · March 2019

On the part that vampires are "ugly": I have two vampires too and I actually like the difference to normal mumanoids in Tamriel. However, I can understand the wish for an option for a perfectly normal look. I would definitely be for a normal look at stage 1 only, that would be most appropriate in my opinion.

There should not be a change to the game, where basically vampires disappear from our view, at least those that would be disabled. Since it was mentioned, that certain people want to essentially "kill fun" for others: Some might view a potential change to that as something similar, because they would like to see them, even though I don't really care about that. Perhaps they could work out something, where only the player views his character in a seperate setting...

It's a bit confusing to me after all, why many people in general want their games look more the same, without any appreciation for different optics in playing their roles (in this case when playing a vampire). Isn't that killing potential fun for yourself aswell? Maybe eventually you'll like this part too, there are much more pressing issues to get resolved, I think.

Hippie4927 · March 2019

Androconium wrote: »

Vampires are pale and winnowy looking in real life.

I lol'd when I read that!

xxthir13enxx · March 2019

Hmm...either fix this so vamps can have the simple things in life....

Or....force werewolves to repair armour every time they transform.....cause this is ruining my immersion...lol

Skwor · March 2019

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

Hmm...either fix this so vamps can have the simple things in life....

Or....force werewolves to repair armour every time they transform.....cause this is ruining my immersion...lol

Sure as soon as they make vamp skill line an ultimate just like werewolves.

Skwor · March 2019

Tigerseye wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

My whole premise is vampires are very powerful as is in game. DEVs decided appearance is a fair trade off for that power and I agree, in fact I think it is not enough but that is where it is at right now.

Then it's terrible game design.

I mean, really amateurish.

Nothing should make you more powerful, in a game with competing players.

An appearance "trade-off" is utterly ridiculous and meaningless, as some people won't care about that, at all.

These alternative states of being should offer you alternative ways of playing, for fun; not an unfair advantage.

Not sure what you are going on about. Fact is being a vamp makes it possible to have near unlimited stealth and speed together so yes it is very powerful.

That the game asks for a deathly appearance as one of the trade offs for that power is trivial indeed and yet people will not stop complaining and asking for even more. Funny how they are not willing to accept another trade off instead, they just want it all with no trade in penalties whatsoever.

starkerealm · March 2019

max_only wrote: »

Well, when I’m in normal form as a werewolf I feel like I should have some always on passives wether the ult is slotted or not because a werewolf is still a werewolf by blood even outside of transformation. Full moon ww in other fictions are still ww in their human form.

Back in the day, Werewolves did get their passive buffs all the time.

You know what the result was?

A lot of werewolves who never transformed. They'd get infected just for the free recovery buff.

So, no, they stay human in human form, and get their bonuses when they wolf out. It's better this way.

Tigerseye · March 2019

Skwor wrote: »

Tigerseye wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

My whole premise is vampires are very powerful as is in game. DEVs decided appearance is a fair trade off for that power and I agree, in fact I think it is not enough but that is where it is at right now.

Then it's terrible game design.

I mean, really amateurish.

Nothing should make you more powerful, in a game with competing players.

An appearance "trade-off" is utterly ridiculous and meaningless, as some people won't care about that, at all.

These alternative states of being should offer you alternative ways of playing, for fun; not an unfair advantage.

Not sure what you are going on about. Fact is being a vamp make it possible to have near unlimited stealth and speed together so yes it is cery powerful.

That the game asks for a deathly appearance as one of the trade offs for that power is trivial indeed and yet people will not stop complaining and asking for even more. Funny how they are not willing to accept another trade off instead, they just want it all with no trade in penalties whatsoever.

I suggest you read what I wrote again, if you're really not sure what I'm on about.

It's pretty obvious what I meant and I don't intend to repeat it.

stevenyaub16_ESO · March 2019

Use a Skin they all hide the vampire look.

Aethereal'Golden · March 2019

At least why not to look normal on a stage 1 - but if you cast any vamp skill - then your pale stage 1 look would have returned...
So, you look okay doing craft writs in cities but ugly while fighting...

Runschei · March 2019

I can't even imagine how often I've talked about the option to hide the freshly dipped face in flour look of vampirism. The foul look of vampirism in this game is not a part of the downsides of choosing to be a vampire. Our downsides are more vulnerability towards fire damage, lower health recovery and having Fighters Guild abilities deal significantly more damage to us. These downsides even apply to us in stage 1 where we have 0 benefits and basically human, yet we look like a vampire. Putting on a helmet is simply avoiding the issue.

I mean, we're all playing an MMORPG here. The RPG part is because you can customize your looks in so many ways and looks are important. We have regular costumes and disguises obtainable from quests. We have countless of obtainable gear and weapon styles and now we have the outfit system. Crown store even milks us with makeup, jewelry, hats, skins, polymorphs, personalities and body markings. As of today most skins require you to have access to DLC areas either with ESO+ or solo purchase of DLC. Only the frost skin obtainable during December is base game. There are few limits to how you design your character(s) and if looks did not matter we would not need all these ways of creating our own character. Yet, you cannot hide the veiny, dry and flaky skin of vampirism.

I did not spend plenty of time in character creation screen to have everything I did hidden under a body covering costume or overwritten by another skin. Using a disguise obtainable from quests sets your character back to what it looked like in character creation screen and removes all adornments added from Crown Store after character creation screen. So basically you cancel out any future purchases form crown store because you can't use them. This is also bad for ZOS' income. I want my casual skin because there is no reason as to why I shouldn't be able to hide it.

From a PvP perspective you may say that you NEED to know if your opponent is a vampire, tho you can activate ingame buff-trackers for that. Besides, would it matter if I was wearing the spiderkith skin, or my original skin in this case? I'm hiding the vampire skin with both but people find only one of them to be ok? Saying it's immersive breaking to some of the players is pathetic aswell. It's just as immersive breaking as having a fully heavy armor tank in a wedding dress or a nordic bath towel.

Is it really that fun to restrict our looks?

tizodd · March 2019

Lol okay guys I give up. I'll never understand the selfish reasoning, but it seems the vocal minority is hellbent on controlling other people's fun. No matter how many times I point out the fact that it won't affect their gameplay in any way, shape, or form, they still adamantly want to prevent anyone else from being able to put a little makeup on their vampire.

I'll just hold on to the possibility that maybe someone at ZOS will realize it's not lore breaking or gamebreaking for vampires to apply makeup to give them a little pigmentation.

Skwor · March 2019

tizodd wrote: »

Lol okay guys I give up. I'll never understand the selfish reasoning, but it seems the vocal minority is hellbent on controlling other people's fun. No matter how many times I point out the fact that it won't affect their gameplay in any way, shape, or form, they still adamantly want to prevent anyone else from being able to put a little makeup on their vampire.

I'll just hold on to the possibility that maybe someone at ZOS will realize it's not lore breaking or gamebreaking for vampires to apply makeup to give them a little pigmentation.

You can stop throwing around the selfish insult which you have repeatedly done.. The only people here even remotely comming close to being selfish are those asking for vamps to have no appearance penalties.

Valrien · March 2019

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

BrianLovesLisa wrote: »

No, because this is not twilight. Surprised you did not ask to add sparkling as well. YOU choose to be a Monster, now you are gonna get the cure or "Unlive??" with it

Apparently you forgot about the Cyrodiil vampires (I think that’s them) who can blend in perfectly among the mortals

@Reistr_the_Unbroken Which we are not. There are different strains of vampire in Tamriel

Valrien · March 2019

Tigerseye wrote: »

Axmouth wrote: »

I too want Orc bonuses without looking like an Orc, can I have that then?

I think you should be able to, because I think the whole concept of unchangeable racials is too limiting and inflexible.

We all know that some races/species have certain advantages over others, but that doesn't mean that you don't have outliers and individuals that don't break the mould.

So, by all means start a race off with those stereotypical racials, if you want, but give the player the option to swap out of them, if they want to and into something else.

Maybe you shouldn't be playing an RPG then...

Valrien · March 2019

tizodd wrote: »

Lol okay guys I give up. I'll never understand the selfish reasoning, but it seems the vocal minority is hellbent on controlling other people's fun. No matter how many times I point out the fact that it won't affect their gameplay in any way, shape, or form, they still adamantly want to prevent anyone else from being able to put a little makeup on their vampire.

I'll just hold on to the possibility that maybe someone at ZOS will realize it's not lore breaking or gamebreaking for vampires to apply makeup to give them a little pigmentation.

I don't know if you know this, but you're the vocal minority here...you're literally the lowest common denominator shouting and crying until you get your way. That's the definition of vocal minority

Amanuensis · March 2019

Lol, I can only imagine new NPC lines when they interact with these glampire PCs.

Stuga: “Do you know how long I’ve been looking for you? Damn, girl, your contouring is flawless!”

Verandis: “Tell me, do you prefer liquid foundation or powdered concealer?”

Sai Sahan: “Maybe he’s born with it.”
Abnur Tharn: “Maybe it’s Maybelline.”

Darien: “How you doin?”

Skwor · March 2019

Amanuensis wrote: »

Lol, I can only imagine new NPC lines when they interact with these glampire PCs.

Stuga: “Do you know how long I’ve been looking for you? Damn, girl, your contouring is flawless!”

Verandis: “Tell me, do you prefer liquid foundation or powdered concealer?”

Sai Sahan: “Maybe he’s born with it.”
Abnur Tharn: “Maybe it’s Maybelline.”

Darien: “How you doin?”

I am seriously impressed with your NPC character knowledge!

Druid40 · March 2019

These people have no reason to argue against the original post. The person just wants a few cosmetic embellishments to show up better on their character. It makes me wonder what is wrong with humanity. I mean, look at them, they come to this place when they know they are not pure. Tenno use the keys, but they are mere trespassers. Only I, Vor, know the true power of the Void. I was cut in half, destroyed, but through its Janus Key, the Void called to me. It brought me here and here I was reborn. We cannot blame these creatures, they are being led by a false prophet, an impostor who knows not the secrets of the Void. Behold the Tenno, come to scavenge and desecrate this sacred realm. My brothers, did I not tell of this day? Did I not prophesize this moment? Now, I will stop them. Now I am changed, reborn through the energy of the Janus Key. Forever bound to the Void. Let it be known, if the Tenno want true salvation, they will lay down their arms, and wait for the baptism of my Janus key. It is time. I will teach these trespassers the redemptive power of my Janus key. They will learn its simple truth. The Tenno are lost, and they will resist. But I, Vor, will cleanse this place of their impurity.

Skwor · March 2019

Druid40 wrote: »

These people have no reason to argue against the original post. The person just wants a few cosmetic embellishments to show up better on their character. It makes me wonder what is wrong with humanity. I mean, look at them, they come to this place when they know they are not pure. Tenno use the keys, but they are mere trespassers. Only I, Vor, know the true power of the Void. I was cut in half, destroyed, but through its Janus Key, the Void called to me. It brought me here and here I was reborn. We cannot blame these creatures, they are being led by a false prophet, an impostor who knows not the secrets of the Void. Behold the Tenno, come to scavenge and desecrate this sacred realm. My brothers, did I not tell of this day? Did I not prophesize this moment? Now, I will stop them. Now I am changed, reborn through the energy of the Janus Key. Forever bound to the Void. Let it be known, if the Tenno want true salvation, they will lay down their arms, and wait for the baptism of my Janus key. It is time. I will teach these trespassers the redemptive power of my Janus key. They will learn its simple truth. The Tenno are lost, and they will resist. But I, Vor, will cleanse this place of their impurity.

You obviously did not read or just ignored all the posts in this thread describing quite well and dispassionately what the problems are.
You do not get to decide what others agree or disagree with, especially when you refuse to even address the points of debate.

max_only · March 2019

max_only wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

But lipstick and eyeshadow already work on vampires. There isn’t any “foundation” makeup in the game.

umm... the whole point of foundation is that you cannot see it, it matches your skin.

moreover, I already made a suggestion that work similarly to a toggle for wolf, except the other way around. lose part of your magika pool to maintain glamour. want full magika pool back - disable the glamour toggle. but even that is not good enough apparently, the truth is... you all don't want people to look normal and still be vampires. even though werewolves (and ofr the record my main IS one) get to run around in normal human form bulk of the time with NO visual drawbacks.

Well, when I’m in normal form as a werewolf I feel like I should have some always on passives wether the ult is slotted or not because a werewolf is still a werewolf by blood even outside of transformation. Full moon ww in other fictions are still ww in their human form.

You suggestion for a cut in magicka to maintain a normal skin illusion is new to me, I’ve never seen it before. It looks like a good compromise. Just like Galadriel looks all scary when expressing her full power (at least in the movies)

I don’t care anymore if people can be vampires and look normal. What’s the point in caring about lore and trade offs with this dev team?

ApostateHobo wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

But lipstick and eyeshadow already work on vampires. There isn’t any “foundation” makeup in the game.

Except for the fact that you can't really see any of that because for some reason vampirism hides them and tattoos.

Tomorrow when I get in game I’ll take pictures. It dulls tattoos but not lipstick and eyeshadow

as i said, there isn't any foundation makeup in the game. the only make up available is lipstick and eyeshadow. they do show up on vampires.

The top left picture is the default, not amethyst eyelashes. Those are in the second pic.

maybe ask a dev to create more makeup that includes foundation/blush?

be careful though, male devs tend to make everything look like the makeup gun was set to clown

ryzen_gamer_gal · March 2019

starkerealm wrote: »

Mgghool wrote: »

No. Vampires are unholy abominations and their wretched appearance is appropriate. You have the choice not to be vampire.

To be fair, your soul has been bound to Coldharbour, and you've returned from the planes of Oblivion as a soulless, daedric mockery of your former self. So, what I'm really saying is:

strictly speaking you do not have a soul, you are a soul. to suggest someone is soulless is misguided...

Nave_Horsespitoon · March 2019

Ok I have been listening to Dracula ( the book) and my mind is totally changed. When the count is feeding, when he moves to Carfax Abey in England, he is made young again, and a charming, good looking “person” who walks in the daylight. Where no one would suspect him to be a vampire. Given they did not know what a vampire was in England yet at that time in the book. But that’s not the point. The point is that he was young good looking and charming while he was feeding regularly.
So, there is some precedent of vampires looking good! They did not have to use makeup to do so, they just had to feed regularly to maintain their appearance.
So I for one, stand corrected.

Linaleah · March 2019

Androconium wrote: »

Tigerseye wrote: »

Genomic wrote: »

Ugh, it's hard to believe this thread is a discussion by adults. A protracted argument about dressup for your virtual dollies.

Says the grown-up "man" who still plays computer games? ;D

At what age is it appropriate to stop?

Your comment is somewhat offensive to those of us that played Star Wars, Galaxian and Mr Du as arcade games.
Without us, you wouldn't have all this now.

Vampires are pale and winnowy looking in real life. If you don't like the look, go and get cured.
The best vampire EVAH, was Bowie in 'The Hunger'.

in... real life.

vampires in... real life.

oookey.

hey, did you know that there is some sort of vampire like creature in just about every mythology in a world? and I do mean the world. the ONLY thing they have in common is drinking blood. there IS no unified "vampires are suppose to be like that " idea for vampires. and in ESO especially - there are so ... many... bloodlines that differ greatly, you cannot possible claim that "all vampire should function this way, and that's that" .

I mean... our specific player vampiric strain that descends directly from Lamae Bal doesn't even have sensitivity to sunlight. no burning in it, nothing. more powerful in a dark, but NOT weakened in a sun. THAT is official lore.

there is NOTHING in lore that says that player vampires HAVE to look ugly. its arbitrary. and negated by the fact that we can 1. wear skins and completely remove vampiric appearance effect - skins look exactly the same on vampires and non vampires
2. npc's do NOT react to player vampires in any negative way, they have no idea that player character in front of them is a vampire. and before you say anything about feeding - it constitutes an attack and reaction is exactly the same if you feed from an npc, vs stab them with a dagger. its NOT vampire specific.

STOP. USING. LORE. AS. EXCUSE. especialy when we have powerful vampires IN game that are able to hold glamour and hide their vampiric appearance entirely. and player vampires are supposed to be even MORE powerful, given that our vampirism is essentially undiluted - in order to become a full fledged vampire - every player (who didn't buy their vampirism from a crown store, but in terms of lore - its the same strain) has to be drained and refilled with Lamae's blood. every. single. one. to claim that player characters can't hold glamour is just laughable.

not even getting into completely uninformed opinions on what is and isn't possible with makeup.

ok i WILL get into it to a degree. properly applied foundation BLENDS INTO THE SKIN. you will not actualy see it becasue you are not supposed to see it. and here is something in lore that DOES support existence of foundation. facial tattoos. did you notice that they disappear if you use makeup facial markings? you can either have tattoos, or you can have lipstick and eyeshadow. not both. conclusion? makeup actively covers up tattoos, ergo we DO indeed have foundation type makeup in game.

Catulo · March 2019

Please allow my werewolf to hide his tail. And I don't like all the hair, so please let me hide his fur. Also, when I created my character, his nose wasn't as long as his snout is when he's in werewolf form. Can I get some makeup to hide his snout?

Actually, I want him to look like all the other players all the time, but still keep all the advantages of a werewolf.