I have to pug sometime because I need to farm the motifs or a piece of gear and most of my friends either busy or done with the achievement and not interested in farming. When I vote to kick someone, it's because after the 1st boss I noticed the only thing they do is spamming light attack and snipe at the back, in a VET DLC dungeon. If the vote does not pass, I'll drop group.

Buzo wrote: »

Was this before or after you woke up?

Yes

Malprave wrote: »

I’ve played since beta and my main character is a tank. I think you have a rare situation on your hands. In my experience DD’s have an almost exclusive monopoly on toxicity. I know I’m pretty patient as a tank. I don’t blow a gasket when somebody in the group doesn’t know the mechanics if they want to learn. I start to get jacked up in situations like not giving me an interrupt on Moonhunter Keep’s first boss three times in a row and then they don’t respond in chat when I offer to explain. On that fourth missed interrupt I’m outta there. The only unforgivable sin is lack of communication. I’ll hang in there a long time with people that are communicating and trying to improve. Like I said, I’ve played since launch, there’s no chance I’m going to run out of soul gems or potions.

Not everybody has a headset and mic. I don't. Do you really want me stopping every two minutes to type you a message or just get on with business? And before you say "everyone should have a mic," there it is again like I said in my earlier post about people with expectations that strangers can't always meet.

Thanks @Ertosi for your kind words. 😺

Tigerseye wrote: »

shack80 wrote: »

I left a group on fang lair because they didnt even know what bash is and they all were 810.

That is 100% the fault of the game.

1. It doesn't teach you about bash, at all.
2. It doesn't let you assign a (single) key to it.
3. It doesn't seem to even work properly, if you don't use a mouse and/or assign different keys to its 2 components.

They need to sort this out.

Huh. Prologues teach you how to heavy attack, how to block and... how to bash/interrupt.

drjokepu wrote: »

As a tank I obviously never get to PUG with other tanks, but I can assure you that there are plenary of toxic damage dealers and some healers as well.

Healers are the most patient. We start to be toxic only when we have to do DDs and tanks job, e.g., bashing bosses and mobs, resurrecting people, or even doing 50% of group's DPS.

'Septic Tank'

Sometimes dungeons can be a bit boring if every boss goes down within 60 seconds and no one ever needs healed.

I play tank or healer and do not mind if some of the group are a bit inexperienced, it can make it more interesting trying to get a group like that through a dungeon.

Having said that, during the recent group dungeon event where everyone was doing dungeons, some of the random groups were outright terrible (on the odd occasion where the game actually let me do a dungeon).

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

In recent pug pledges i cam across (a) tank(s) (maybe it was the same?) that immediatly wanted to kick everyone from the group that wasn't cp 810 - even people that had like cp 805 (not kidding); and when the group declined he immediatly left the group - happend a couple times... i don't know how others feel but i think this kind of asocial toxic behavior just ruins online games....im glad that most people in eso aren't like that and very nice... /vent off

Champion points (on average) mean very little, a players ability & knowledge of the game is far more important especially in veteran content. A tanks role is to protect the group, absorb as much damage as possible without dying & resurrect group members if they happen to die. I really enjoy helping people so I refuse to kick anybody who's nice that may be struggling. However, the only time I've agreed on a vote to kick someone was when they were extremely rude to other group members & myself.

I've had a veteran hard-mode tank walk straight past all the enemies towards the last boss, leaving the whole group for dead (which happens when tanks don't taunt anything at all) they commented "pug group lol" when we all died.

They continued running waaaaay ahead of the group before dying a few meters away from the hard-mode scroll. I'd finished this particular dungeon countless times on hard-mode so I couldn't help but comment "pug group lol".

We got half-way through the end boss on hard-mode before everybody but the tank had died, they weren't resurrecting anybody & were doing no damage to the boss, so rather than 3 of us sit there watching a tank do nothing I had to ask "can you rez us so we can damage the boss?"

They whined about wasting soul gems & ended up dying while trying to resurrect the group. They unloaded a ridiculous amount of messages to everybody & even told me to go kill myself. "Get a knife & slit your wrists" were some of the exact words (I hope they get to read this & feel guilt, I dread the thought of what their comments could do to other people - especially after they claimed to be a PvE guildmaster). I simply replied "No. Go away" & "You're not helping, stop messaging me" continuously. The barrage of slander from them continued towards everybody in the group & the unanimous decision to kick & block them was made very quickly.

Anyway, my point is that you can be a better tank than that grumpy munchkin! I relogged with one of my tanks & destroyed the dungeon in record time. There's always random 'cranky individuals' out there with no regard for others safety or well being, in-game or in-life. Don't let them waste your time, group up with friends & have fun! Some dungeons are very challenging & designed to be exactly that, if you find one that you can't complete; ask for help. We're lucky that the helpful people far outweigh the idiots in ESO!

/maintenance vent off

If you need a hand, I'm always happy to help!

Kind regards,

@SamboJ

(PC NA Server)

I have been having bad experiences with low cp's, while i can understand why such rejection against low levels, i think the best thing to do is to give them an opportunity and not call them out.

Here it goes my history of today:

I saw my tank at the character screen, my main character and tought ¿Why did i stopped playing this guy?

Entered my first random vet, fang lair, i tanked the first boss 9 minutes, and dps managed to bring the boss to 90%, i was tanking at the wolves' spawn so they could blow up at me instead of my team, and tanking the other 2 bosses (tiger was alive the whole time).

I wasted around 15 soulgems ressurecting people, we wiped at 90% after 9 minutes because the tiger jumped on me and no one bashed.

I didnt say anything rude, i just said that i had to go, and "good luck" and left.

The group had a cp 330, and a cp 500, group dps was 15k.

Suddenly i remembered why i stopped playing with my tank

Granted I'm still new to this game, I'm about CP140 and I main tank. Most everyone's been super kind to me, explaining dungeon mechanics or we figure it out together if they're new too. The only time someone was outright rude to me personally was at the end of a normal dungeon, that we breezed through, a DD decided to tell me to learn to tank because I wasn't keeping trash mobs off him enough hahahahahaha. "Pull more than boss" how about you output appropriate damage and realize I can't group taunt in this game? After that I got really nervous thinking I should be taunting every little thing and it ended up costing me overall quality of performance in my role until I realized that dude was blowing it out of his ***. Funny how no one since him ever had anything to say about my tanking except dungeon specific pointers.
I have often owned up and laid blame for a wipe directly on my shoulders, as I know when I go down most likely everyone else will follow. Even in instances where it was clear it was either DD or Healer not pulling their weight enough and they're fighting amongst themselves about it, I will gladly shoulder the heat as it is my job, first and foremost, to keep main threat.

I always look at levels when I start a dungeon, but only so I have a sense of how hard the run is going to be.

Last night, my husband pugged into Moon Hunter Keep as a replacement DD at Ernarde. It was his first time in the dungeon and I looked at the levels and said "you should be fine". It was an 810 tank, a 500-something, a 300-something and him (665). He only survived as long as he did because I told him the mechs--none of the others had any idea and kept making the same mistakes over and over.

The tank rage quit after three wipes (I'm sure there had been more before husband got there)...but he didn't know what was going on either.

I've started leaving when this happens after I posted about it a while back, I vote to kick the kicker and then leave if that fails. When you stay it just re-enforces the attitude. More enjoyable IMO than running with an AH...