idk wrote: »

Something is wrong with that tank, or tanks, if they are queueing solo for GF as decent tanks can always find people to run with. I never queue up with less than 3 in my group, usually a full group.

The fact they were insistent about players being at the CP cap just shows how little they know. A great many players are at the CP cap and are not very skilled. Skill trumps CP any day of the week.

This, on my tank I just ask for group in guild chat.
CP past 600 don't give much benefit.
Skill is 2/3 of your dps.

Waynerx8 wrote: »

On the flip side, have seen a lot of 200-300 cp that are very good, maybe these are levelling alt's by good players, moral is don't assume some are rubbish purely based on cp level.

Going even further, I've seen plenty of good pugs lower than lvl 50. When you see 'em you know they've probably got plenty of CP and are just on a new alt. Thanks to the game's odd leveling, those low levels get a really nice boost and some of them know how to use it.

I never kick due to a player's level, same for class or skill/gear selection or any other stuff like that. Any time I'm leaning towards kicking, it's because they aren't actively helping the team. As long as they're trying and fulfilling their role, I'm glad to have them. If they're just idling in another room while we're fighting bosses, a tank that never taunts or always get's one shot, or a healer that never heals, then we have a problem which a vote kick can solve.

LadySinflower wrote: »

It's threads like this that keep me out of dungeons and vet content. I'm about CP380. It's my first character so I had to learn everything from scratch. But I don't know mechanics, dungeon etiquette, or anything else because I'm intimidated by people who (just like in this thread) expect that if you're in there you know what to do. I queue as dps because that seems to be the least task specific role. I follow the lead of other players but I don't know who to run by vs who to stop and kill. You can't expect everybody to automatically know what your concept or even the general consensus is of how to play their role or what each mob/boss/situation requires to get through it. Nobody has ever tried to vote kick me from a dungeon but that's probably because I don't play them often. How are people supposed to learn what to do if they're in there with people who don't want them there unless they already know what to do? It's like the job that requires experience to get the job, but candidates can't get experience unless someone gives them a job.

And there lies the problem, it is hard if you have never done a specific dungeon or just not done many, it should be a fun experience for people not an anxious one, but a lot treat it like a professional job, and slate people for not doing what THEY think others should be doing.

Some days I'm decent other days I'm not so, went through about 40 tri potions by hitting Q every two minutes in a few hours

If some are that great why are they pugging anyway, don't they have elite guilds to do them with, but that's the internet for you, being rude, a kn-?ead is easy because its all done behind a screen.

LadySinflower wrote: »

It's threads like this that keep me out of dungeons and vet content. I'm about CP380. It's my first character so I had to learn everything from scratch. But I don't know mechanics, dungeon etiquette, or anything else because I'm intimidated by people who (just like in this thread) expect that if you're in there you know what to do. I queue as dps because that seems to be the least task specific role. I follow the lead of other players but I don't know who to run by vs who to stop and kill. You can't expect everybody to automatically know what your concept or even the general consensus is of how to play their role or what each mob/boss/situation requires to get through it. Nobody has ever tried to vote kick me from a dungeon but that's probably because I don't play them often. How are people supposed to learn what to do if they're in there with people who don't want them there unless they already know what to do? It's like the job that requires experience to get the job, but candidates can't get experience unless someone gives them a job.

@LadySinflower I wouldn't let it scare you off. As someone who pugs a bunch, pugs are much more often pretty quiet, if not friendly and fun.

Just know that there's no way, unless you're really lucky, that a random group is going to be as smooth as running with a regular group, so plan ahead and try to make your characters as self-sufficient as possible. Assume the worst and make sure you can keep yourself alive as well as you can, so keep room on your bar for a self heal and shields. Know that you can mitigate much of the bad by focusing on your build and always improving it. Good gear certainly helps as well and CP is great for reinforcing your weak spots. Make a few types of food to give you quick options for putting more focus on Main Stat + Regen or Main Stat + Health. Keep a nice selection of potions quick-slotted.

When you first join the pug, say hi. Any responses you might or might not get are a great indicator of the feel of the group. If you don't know mechanics, say so right at the start. I'll sometimes even fib and say I don't with dungeons I know well just to help get others to speak up and get the chatter started. If you're there for a specific reason, like the quest or an achievement, also share that right at the start. This all helps get the run off on a nice start.

Don't have expectations for how you think random players should play, other than meeting the basic needs of their role, as everyone has their own dogma they've attached to them. If they're hitting all the bosses, stick with them. If they're speed running, try to keep up. The more you can go with the flow of the overall group, the smoother it will go. Sometimes you'll get a group that splits with some slowly questing and some rushing ahead; as tank, I'll stay with the questers because I feel it's more important to assist newer players.

You'll most certainly run into some bad pugs. Due to the nature of randomness, you might even get a cluster of them, but never let it scare you off. Everyone has different opinions so never let it bother you. I've had kind players honestly complement my newer, less developed tanking alts and thank me for a good run. I've had other glass-cannon, low-level, dead players berate my best tank alt while he solo'd the boss they couldn't handle. Just know you can't make sense out of some people; enjoy the good and shrug off the bad (or share it on the forums so everyone can laugh at it together! ).

I let it scare me off for far too long and wish I had started running them much sooner. Good luck and have fun!

idk wrote: »

Something is wrong with that tank, or tanks, if they are queueing solo for GF as decent tanks can always find people to run with. I never queue up with less than 3 in my group, usually a full group.

The fact they were insistent about players being at the CP cap just shows how little they know. A great many players are at the CP cap and are not very skilled. Skill trumps CP any day of the week.

I main a tank and a healer and I spend most of my time in pug groups, why you may ask, well it makes the dungeons a challenge where as running with guild mates where everyone not only knows their job but are good at them makes for a very boring run. However I do absolutely agree with the part about CP, I was with a 810 dd and tank who wanted to kick a much lower level dd, the vote didn't pass so they left, my 810 healer with a ranged taunt slotted and said dd completed darkshade 2 with no real problems, we were just a bit slow. That player is now an active member of one my guilds but at the time was solo because of the amount of bell ends he came across who left him feeling no guild would keep him and he would just get kicked. I do run an 810 dd and said guy is well under half that and came easily blow my dd away.

Thats dumb. I'll take anyone I can get tbh

idk wrote: »

Something is wrong with that tank, or tanks, if they are queueing solo for GF as decent tanks can always find people to run with. I never queue up with less than 3 in my group, usually a full group.

That's a big assumption. I queue solo because I'm not in any guilds except for two trading guilds, and my friends list has a mere 3 entries, so to do dungeons I use the groupfinder. Does that mean something is 'wrong' with me?

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

In recent pug pledges i cam across (a) tank(s) (maybe it was the same?) that immediatly wanted to kick everyone from the group that wasn't cp 810 - even people that had like cp 805 (not kidding); and when the group declined he immediatly left the group - happend a couple times... i don't know how others feel but i think this kind of asocial toxic behavior just ruins online games....im glad that most people in eso aren't like that and very nice... /vent off

When I come in vet dg with my DK heal ppl always insult me cuz "DK is useless for healing"
These same guy who don't know mechanic and die in obvious aoe again and again blaming the healer who wast time to rez them..
(That also why I've start to roll as templar and aiming for Kagrenac to rez these idiot faster, PUG thing, y'know)
And, like you, most of them are 810cp proud to play "meta" and to bash everyone who don't.

Just ignore them. Youb got idiot like that in every online game sadly.

Edit :
I'll add this : Most of the time Tank are not like that hopefully. From my own exp their was always the 1st to explain me the strat when I was doing some DG for the 1st time. And when I see the number of player who don't know any strat, I thank them to taking the time to explain to me so now I can try to explain to other myself (when they listen at least)

LadySinflower wrote: »

It's threads like this that keep me out of dungeons and vet content. I'm about CP380. It's my first character so I had to learn everything from scratch. But I don't know mechanics, dungeon etiquette, or anything else because I'm intimidated by people who (just like in this thread) expect that if you're in there you know what to do. I queue as dps because that seems to be the least task specific role. I follow the lead of other players but I don't know who to run by vs who to stop and kill. You can't expect everybody to automatically know what your concept or even the general consensus is of how to play their role or what each mob/boss/situation requires to get through it. Nobody has ever tried to vote kick me from a dungeon but that's probably because I don't play them often. How are people supposed to learn what to do if they're in there with people who don't want them there unless they already know what to do? It's like the job that requires experience to get the job, but candidates can't get experience unless someone gives them a job.

I almost always queue as a healer, on PC/NA, and I run into very little of this stuff, especially on normal mode.

Further, it's easy to build a character and strategy that is very unlikely to go wrong:

• Use a destro bar and one resto bar. You can easily get to 10Kish DPS while doing everything else you should, which is enough to ensure that group DPS suffices for most non-DLC normal mode dungeons.
• Be a templar. You'll be a good -- indeed a great -- "battery" because you'll throw Blazing Spear/Luminous Shards on cooldown and you'll have the good manners to equip Elemental Drain.
• Equip both Ward Ally and Honor the Dead/Breath of Life. You'll never lack for emergency heals. If somebody's health goes below 75%, shield or heal them immediately, just so you don't have to worry that you're delaying too long. And you'll be automatically shielding yourself whenever anybody in your group has significant trouble.
• Besides Blazing Spear, bring Elemental Blockade and some of Reflective Light/Vampire's Bane, a true spammable (perhaps Crushing Shock for the interrupt), Purifying Light, Sweeps, or Jesus Beam. (I usually use Reflective Light and Purifying Light. Sweeps goes on the bar only in a group with weak DPS and weak tanking.)
• If the group is any good, use Combat Prayer and Warhorn just like you're supposed to. If it's weak, use those skill slots/resources to DPS directly yourself instead.
• Of course run Channeled Focus.

That's it, really. People won't die except to one-shots, and the group is unlikely to fail.

Things I also do include:

• Run Spell Power Cure.
• Cast Mutagen twice on cooldown. (That goes VERY well with SPC.)
• Run Earthgore.

But those are all nice-to-haves, not requirements.

Aznarb wrote: »

When I come in vet dg with my DK heal ppl always insult me cuz "DK is useless for healing"
These same guy who don't know mechanic and die in obvious aoe again and again blaming the healer who wast time to rez them..
(That also why I've start to roll as templar and aiming for Kagrenac to rez these idiot faster, PUG thing, y'know)
And, like you, most of them are 810cp proud to play "meta" and to bash everyone who don't.

Just ignore them. Youb got idiot like that in every online game sadly.

I had the same experience in Spindle 2. Tank was complaining about me being a DK healer (I healed on other classes, wanted to try DK out. It’s fun and unique) only deaths were because people touched the circle thing. Killed the last boss, and I kindly told him just because someone isn’t meta doesn’t mean they suck, and told him not one person died due to me not healing. Added that as long as a person knows how to heal on that class they can be amazing at it. Thanked him for group and left.