Please Allow My Vampire to Wear Makeup

Kulvar · March 2019

@Vulsahdaal There's no toggle for vampire like werewolf.
What I want is a Stage 1 that is normal looking - no benefit from vampire - no weakness
Stage 2 to 4 : I want guards to try to kill me

max_only · March 2019

But lipstick and eyeshadow already work on vampires. There isn’t any “foundation” makeup in the game.

max_only · March 2019

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

tizodd wrote: »

Axmouth wrote: »

The appearance is one of the effects of being a vampire. It was made sense to me that there's this kind of pros and cons(in fact, a subjective con).

Why is it that you want to be a vampire and avoid seeing it?

I too want Orc bonuses without looking like an Orc, can I have that then?

Good lord what's wrong with you people? (sorry, it's getting a little frustrating lol) Again I ask...how would it affect you in any way, shape, or form if someone else is allowed to have their character look the way the character was created? Why would you argue against it? It doesn't affect you at all...

Besides that, your race argument makes no sense. It would be a different thing is Vampire was a race chosen at the beginning of the game. But no, it's a skill line that costs skill points and experience to upgrade, just like all the other skill lines.

But again...we're asking for an option. An OPTION. The same way we can hide our helmet if we don't want to see it. An OPTION. If you like the way your vampire looks, great! I don't want to force my opinion on you...by all means keep your vampire's appearance the way it is. But I, and others, would like the option to cover it up. An option that you can opt out of and not be affected by. At all...

I do get it. I have magicka characters also, and not a single one of them is a vamp. Why? Simply because I do not want them to look like a vamp. I dont like the way vamps look (sorry to the ones who do, its just my opinion).

So its really simple, if you dont want to look like a vamp- dont be one.

Now, going back to options- usually something I am all for. But this I cant get behind. Not unless it is discussed to fix werewolves (of which I do have one) as well.

I want werewolf passives, but without having to have fur and a tail. Yes, its true that I dont have fur and tail most of the time- but you know what else I dont have?

Werewolf passives and skills. Cant have those unless I show fur and tail.

The way you vamps make it sound is like you want the passives and skills full time but not look like a vamp. This isnt right, and I think is why many are 'contrarians'

Instead, you should ask to make vamp take up a slot as an ultimate like werewolf, and you will only be vamp ugly when vamp ultimate is engaged and this will also be the only time that vamp passives and skills are available to your character.

If you put it in these terms, you may find that you will have more support among the non vamps and 'contrarians'.

Of course then those who like the way vamps look now might be upset, but a skin can be offered to them to make them look like vamps full time. Its about the options, right?

Also This.

Linaleah · March 2019

max_only wrote: »

But lipstick and eyeshadow already work on vampires. There isn’t any “foundation” makeup in the game.

umm... the whole point of foundation is that you cannot see it, it matches your skin.

moreover, I already made a suggestion that work similarly to a toggle for wolf, except the other way around. lose part of your magika pool to maintain glamour. want full magika pool back - disable the glamour toggle. but even that is not good enough apparently, the truth is... you all don't want people to look normal and still be vampires. even though werewolves (and ofr the record my main IS one) get to run around in normal human form bulk of the time with NO visual drawbacks.

Valrien · March 2019

tizodd wrote: »

I really don't get why you contrarians want to make things so difficult for others. I suspect Finder is on the right track with his/her post above explaining why people actively work to stop others from getting something: it doesn't benefit you, so you actively work against it. Just plain selfish.

One thing to keep in mind: I'm only asking it be an OPTION. Like I said in the op, if you like the vampire look, keep it. I'm not trying to force my opinion on anyone.

And frankly...the argument that 10% regen is the trade-off for the horrible look is asinine. We have entire skill trees that grant us benefits, many of which are stronger than those of vampirism, yet there are no trade-offs for those. They cost skill points and skill points only.

All I want is an option for my character to look the way I made her.

You do. Theres an NPC that can cure vampirism

Valrien · March 2019

myskyrim26 wrote: »

BrianLovesLisa wrote: »

No, because this is not twilight. Surprised you did not ask to add sparkling as well. YOU choose to be a Monster, now you are gonna get the cure or "Unlive??" with it

Do some lore research. Some vampires are not changed at all. They are monsters yet look like just as any ordinary mer or men. No pale skin, no glowing eyes, nothing. Did you play Oblivion at all?

@myskyrim26 those are cyrodiilic vampires only if you're gonna bring lore into this

starkerealm · March 2019

Skwor wrote: »

NO NO NO

Appearance is one the trade offs for the already OP benefits and at that it is insignificant and yet here is another thread complaining.

Either you get no benefits when not in vampire form or just live with it.

Except, vampires don't have to look horrible. You can already use any other skin over them, without problems. There's already a ton of aesthetic choices.

I mean, for snot's sake, you can wear the Meridia purified skin as a vampire, which is way more incomprehensible. But, being able to look like you are empowered by the Daedric Prince opposed to the undead is not a problem, while looking like a normal human and blending in (something you can already do with disguises) is a bridge too far... Right.

ApostateHobo · March 2019

max_only wrote: »

But lipstick and eyeshadow already work on vampires. There isn’t any “foundation” makeup in the game.

Except for the fact that you can't really see any of that because for some reason vampirism hides them and tattoos.

tizodd · March 2019

Valrien wrote: »

tizodd wrote: »

I really don't get why you contrarians want to make things so difficult for others. I suspect Finder is on the right track with his/her post above explaining why people actively work to stop others from getting something: it doesn't benefit you, so you actively work against it. Just plain selfish.

One thing to keep in mind: I'm only asking it be an OPTION. Like I said in the op, if you like the vampire look, keep it. I'm not trying to force my opinion on anyone.

And frankly...the argument that 10% regen is the trade-off for the horrible look is asinine. We have entire skill trees that grant us benefits, many of which are stronger than those of vampirism, yet there are no trade-offs for those. They cost skill points and skill points only.

All I want is an option for my character to look the way I made her.

You do. Theres an NPC that can cure vampirism

I'm sure you felt really clever while typing this statement.

tizodd · March 2019

Logic clearly isn't something that works with some of you. There is no logical reason for us not to be able to look normal as vampires. So far we have:

*Flawed argument #1: Vampirism is so powerful, there needs to be a tradeoff.
->The Truth: The only concession I can give this argument is "overpowered" is subjective. So maybe in your mind may overpowered, but in my opinion there are plenty other abilities that are on par, or better. The Psijic line for instance, offers a 5k damage shield while blocking, along with 30% damage reduction with passives. The Psijic ultimate also has a morph that gives a passive 8% damage reduction. The warden's Winter's Embrace ultimate has a morph that gives 8% max magicka. The werewolf ultimate increases stamina recovery by 15% while slotted. An Undaunted passive gives 6% to health, magicka, and stamina for having at least one piece of light/medium/heavy gear (which also allows you to benefit from the gear passives).

I could go on and on about other very powerful and useful abilities that have absolutely no drawback, but I hope you get the point.

*Flawed argument #2: "Vampires are unholy abominations and their wretched appearance is appropriate."
->The Truth: We're playing a game where we can polymorph to become skeletons and goblins. You're really going with the "unholy abomination" card? What exactly does being an "unholy abomination" have to do with applying a little makeup? Also, as someone already pointed out, there are vampire npc's IN THE GAME ALREADY that look normal. That should be enough in itself. Besides, there's absolutely nothing lorebreaking about applying some makeup to give pale skin some pigment (we can pretend a thrall applied it for us since vampires can't see their reflection).

*Flawed arguemnt #3: But you knew that player ESO vampires looked this way before you chose to pursue it.
->The Truth: Things change all the time. We also knew Argonian racial passives made them optimal for tanking before the last update but guess what? Things change. All we're asking for is an OPTION to look the same. As I've said multiple times...it wouldn't affect you at all so why do you care? It would allow me and others to better enjoy the game. Why are you so against that?

But anyway, it seems some of you just want to disagree for the sake of disagreeing. No matter how much logic and reasoning is thrown at you, you'll keep parroting the same flawed arguments you've been saying. I just hope someone at ZOS someday decides to let us hide the vampire look the same way we can click one button to hide our helm.

Linaleah · March 2019

a question. where are people getting an idea that vampires of elder scrolls, in particular Lamae Bal's line (which is what players are, and we are specifically her scions, more powerful and more beautiful according to the lore) - have no reflections? I've been trying to look and it seems like its an assumption that players make becasue Bram Stoker's vampires cast no reflection, but the only mention of mirrors in relation to vampires i have found so far is that one of the bloodlines has powers THROUGH mirrors and can enthrall people with their help.

starkerealm · March 2019

Linaleah wrote: »

a question. where are people getting an idea that vampires of elder scrolls, in particular Lamae Bal's line (which is what players are, and we are specifically her scions, more powerful and more beautiful according to the lore) - have no reflections? I've been trying to look and it seems like its an assumption that players make becasue Bram Stoker's vampires cast no reflection, but the only mention of mirrors in relation to vampires i have found so far is that one of the bloodlines has powers THROUGH mirrors and can enthrall people with their help.

It's Dracula. By extension, that's been baked into the subset for "Vampire characteristics," in pop-culture, even though it's not universal there. Take something like Ultraviolet, and this is ramped up to the point where Vampires aren't visible to cameras at all, or Vampire: The Masquerade, where only one Clan (the Lasombra) manifest that trait.

The Elder Scrolls has mostly stayed away from that, I suspect, because no characters cast reflections in most of the games.

Linaleah · March 2019

starkerealm wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

a question. where are people getting an idea that vampires of elder scrolls, in particular Lamae Bal's line (which is what players are, and we are specifically her scions, more powerful and more beautiful according to the lore) - have no reflections? I've been trying to look and it seems like its an assumption that players make becasue Bram Stoker's vampires cast no reflection, but the only mention of mirrors in relation to vampires i have found so far is that one of the bloodlines has powers THROUGH mirrors and can enthrall people with their help.

It's Dracula. By extension, that's been baked into the subset for "Vampire characteristics," in pop-culture, even though it's not universal there. Take something like Ultraviolet, and this is ramped up to the point where Vampires aren't visible to cameras at all, or Vampire: The Masquerade, where only one Clan (the Lasombra) manifest that trait.

The Elder Scrolls has mostly stayed away from that, I suspect, because no characters cast reflections in most of the games.

well... absence of reflections for everyone becasue engine cannot handle =/= vampires cast no reflections. and its kinda fascinating to me, because I'm now kinda going down the rabbit hole of reading up on vampire lore through the cultures and ages and I honestly cannot find any mention of casting no reflections so far, beyond dracula. the ONLY thing common to all vampire legends is the whole blood drinking thing. and honestly, given that Lamae Bal's line specifically is not weakened by sunlight, but rather gets stronger at night and can eat human food just fine - should kind give a good hint that we are not Stoker vampires here.

max_only · March 2019

Linaleah wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

But lipstick and eyeshadow already work on vampires. There isn’t any “foundation” makeup in the game.

umm... the whole point of foundation is that you cannot see it, it matches your skin.

moreover, I already made a suggestion that work similarly to a toggle for wolf, except the other way around. lose part of your magika pool to maintain glamour. want full magika pool back - disable the glamour toggle. but even that is not good enough apparently, the truth is... you all don't want people to look normal and still be vampires. even though werewolves (and ofr the record my main IS one) get to run around in normal human form bulk of the time with NO visual drawbacks.

Well, when I’m in normal form as a werewolf I feel like I should have some always on passives wether the ult is slotted or not because a werewolf is still a werewolf by blood even outside of transformation. Full moon ww in other fictions are still ww in their human form.

You suggestion for a cut in magicka to maintain a normal skin illusion is new to me, I’ve never seen it before. It looks like a good compromise. Just like Galadriel looks all scary when expressing her full power (at least in the movies)

I don’t care anymore if people can be vampires and look normal. What’s the point in caring about lore and trade offs with this dev team?

ApostateHobo wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

But lipstick and eyeshadow already work on vampires. There isn’t any “foundation” makeup in the game.

Except for the fact that you can't really see any of that because for some reason vampirism hides them and tattoos.

Tomorrow when I get in game I’ll take pictures. It dulls tattoos but not lipstick and eyeshadow

Hippie4927 · March 2019

max_only wrote: »

Tomorrow when I get in game I’ll take pictures. It dulls tattoos but not lipstick and eyeshadow

That's not entirely true. I just bought the cosmetic pack in the crown store that has about 122 face markings because I wanted a lipstick for my vamp. Not one of the lipsticks in the pack show on her, not even the black one! The good ones that showup on vamps are in the crown crates. Same for eyeshadow. We shouldn't have to wait for certain crates to come back just to get makeup for a vampire.

bellatrixed · March 2019

It always strikes me as funny when someone asks for attractive vampires and some idiot jumps in with "THIS ISN'T TWLIGHT!111111!!!11" Like, dude, attractive vampires have literally existed since Dracula. And before that, actually. And they DEFINITELY exist in Elder Scrolls lore.

Anyway, I like the way vampirism looks, except it's asinine that it somehow makes my lipstick and tattoos blue. Especially since there actually are a tiny handful that don't.

Since we can already use some cosmetics without the color changing I really wish they'd open it up to all of them.

With and without the subtle dark lashes:

With the subtle dark lashes and one of the crown crate lipsticks:

I really don't think I could stand being a vampire if not for those two cosmetics. The washed out look is awful.

ApostateHobo · March 2019

Hippie4927 wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

Tomorrow when I get in game I’ll take pictures. It dulls tattoos but not lipstick and eyeshadow

That's not entirely true. I just bought the cosmetic pack in the crown store that has about 122 face markings because I wanted a lipstick for my vamp. Not one of the lipsticks in the pack show on her, not even the black one! The good ones that showup on vamps are in the crown crates. Same for eyeshadow. We shouldn't have to wait for certain crates to come back just to get makeup for a vampire.

This! I've tested all the makeup in that pack and none show up unless you're at like stage one. Only "makeup" I have that isn't hidden by vampirism is the butt ugly magicka zephyr lashes, and those are in the facial hair section not face markings. All face/body markings are either super faded or non existent on vampires, except for a few like the psijic ones.

Valrien · March 2019

tizodd wrote: »

Logic clearly isn't something that works with some of you. There is no logical reason for us not to be able to look normal as vampires. So far we have:

*Flawed argument #1: Vampirism is so powerful, there needs to be a tradeoff.
->The Truth: The only concession I can give this argument is "overpowered" is subjective. So maybe in your mind may overpowered, but in my opinion there are plenty other abilities that are on par, or better. The Psijic line for instance, offers a 5k damage shield while blocking, along with 30% damage reduction with passives. The Psijic ultimate also has a morph that gives a passive 8% damage reduction. The warden's Winter's Embrace ultimate has a morph that gives 8% max magicka. The werewolf ultimate increases stamina recovery by 15% while slotted. An Undaunted passive gives 6% to health, magicka, and stamina for having at least one piece of light/medium/heavy gear (which also allows you to benefit from the gear passives).

I could go on and on about other very powerful and useful abilities that have absolutely no drawback, but I hope you get the point.

*Flawed argument #2: "Vampires are unholy abominations and their wretched appearance is appropriate."
->The Truth: We're playing a game where we can polymorph to become skeletons and goblins. You're really going with the "unholy abomination" card? What exactly does being an "unholy abomination" have to do with applying a little makeup? Also, as someone already pointed out, there are vampire npc's IN THE GAME ALREADY that look normal. That should be enough in itself. Besides, there's absolutely nothing lorebreaking about applying some makeup to give pale skin some pigment (we can pretend a thrall applied it for us since vampires can't see their reflection).

*Flawed arguemnt #3: But you knew that player ESO vampires looked this way before you chose to pursue it.
->The Truth: Things change all the time. We also knew Argonian racial passives made them optimal for tanking before the last update but guess what? Things change. All we're asking for is an OPTION to look the same. As I've said multiple times...it wouldn't affect you at all so why do you care? It would allow me and others to better enjoy the game. Why are you so against that?

But anyway, it seems some of you just want to disagree for the sake of disagreeing. No matter how much logic and reasoning is thrown at you, you'll keep parroting the same flawed arguments you've been saying. I just hope someone at ZOS someday decides to let us hide the vampire look the same way we can click one button to hide our helm.

The reason I don't want people to have the option is simple: ESO players think "options" are mandatory for every aspect of the game. They are not. It's annoying when people ask for an "opt-in opt-out toggle" when you already have options. Don't want to look dead? Feed. Don't want to feed or be slightly pale? Don't be a vampire. Want to get that damage reduction and regen while still looking mortal? Tough ***.

It's not that vampirism is OP, or that I'm disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing, or even that it's the way I feel it *should* be. It's simply that your crowd believes they have the logical high ground and that players should be able to avoid things with the simple click of a button. You have options. Get over it. Use them.

If you don't want to be a vampire don't be a vampire. It's not like anyone is forcing it on you in the first place.

This "It doesn't affect you so why do you care" mentality is pretty tiring, honestly. *** the lore, *** choices, *** everything right? Just because it is not directly lessening my enjoyment of the game, does not mean you get to have your cake and eat it too (stupid expression by the way. I hate it but whatever, it still works). MMOs have almost always been about meaningful choices and this recent trend of allowing players to never need to feel the weight of a choice is tiresome. So what if skill lines like the Psijic skills exist? 1. That's not what we're talking about. 2. You had to suffer the boredom of leveling it, unlike vampirism which levels from doing basically nothing which means there is always a trade-off of some kind...in the case of the guilds, it's doing a boring task over and over and over again until you cap. In the case of vampirism it's looking...get this...like a vampire!

BloodStorm · March 2019

We don't have the type of the Cyrodiil Vampyrum Order who look like regular humans/mortals when well fed. But yes a cosmetic option would be interesting or if at stage 1 we got a 15% - 20% damage reduction at all times since the 50% damage reduction at below half health is a must since it helps vs fire damage as well at stage 4 in ways not just all damage. For fighting purposes stage 4 is a must for best results so giving stage 1 some type of boost would be nice.

MartiniDaniels · March 2019

Vampires are so ugly, if you are not dependent on mist in PVP or you are not member of hodor/valor, and don't want to look as vampire, why you not just clean yourself from this disease, it's just 600 gold.

GLP323b14_ESO · March 2019

I need to know who to hunt down and kill.

Nave_Horsespitoon · March 2019

CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

How do vamps even put on makeup since they can't see their reflection in the mirror?

How do vamps even put on makeup since they can't see their reflection in the mirror?

LOL! OMG that is totally funny! Great levity.

Seems to me there is a vampire out there that wants the best of both worlds. You want all the powers of a vampire but none of the downside of being a vampire. The NPC’s and players are supposed to be afraid of you. But if you look like everyone else, how is this supposed to happen? If you don’t look like a vampire you sort of cease to be a vampire. Looking like a vampire is sort of an integral part of being a vampire.

Are you saying you want a guild of friendly vampires that don’t attack any innocent people, and everyone recognizes them as happy-go-lucky good vampires that have a particularly good appearance? Oh hell, why not!

(BTW in Morrowind Oblivion, Skyrim people still knew you were a vampire and attacked you on site or ran away to get the guard.)

Savos_Saren · March 2019

How well does the new Meridian skin hide vampirism? Does anyone have a stage 4 vampire with the new skin from Depths of Malatar?

Ashfen · March 2019

I love how some people just keep saying "you don't have arguments, if you're against my idea it's just because you're just selfish" when someone disagree with them.

No, it would not be just an option without impact on the other if it would happen.
Vampires are already (too much) powerful. It's logical there is something to balance it.
If you don't want to look like a vampire, don't play a vampire. You chose to became a vamp, so deal with it.

Reistr_the_Unbroken · March 2019

BrianLovesLisa wrote: »

No, because this is not twilight. Surprised you did not ask to add sparkling as well. YOU choose to be a Monster, now you are gonna get the cure or "Unlive??" with it

Apparently you forgot about the Cyrodiil vampires (I think that’s them) who can blend in perfectly among the mortals

Ash_In_My_Sujamma · March 2019

I allow it.

SpearDusk · March 2019

The Depths of Malatar skin coats the vampire looks pretty well, and makes the face markings more visible

Tigerseye · March 2019

Ravena wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

tizodd wrote: »

I really don't get why you contrarians want to make things so difficult for others. I suspect Finder is on the right track with his/her post above explaining why people actively work to stop others from getting something: it doesn't benefit you, so you actively work against it. Just plain selfish.

One thing to keep in mind: I'm only asking it be an OPTION. Like I said in the op, if you like the vampire look, keep it. I'm not trying to force my opinion on anyone.

And frankly...the argument that 10% regen is the trade-off for the horrible look is asinine. We have entire skill trees that grant us benefits, many of which are stronger than those of vampirism, yet there are no trade-offs for those. They cost skill points and skill points only.

All I want is an option for my character to look the way I made her.

Your character looks they way you made her, YOU MADE her a vampire..so what is the issue. This has been like this for 5 years, game launched like this, you knew what would happen.

This has been discussed ad infinitum and frankly the argument that appearance is an issue for vampires is asinine.

"It's not a problem for me so it could never be a problem for anyone"

You don't realize how selfish you sound?

No, he doesn't, because he doesn't understand the concept of being anything other than self-centred.

Just the way he is - like being born without a limb.

He may grow out of it, he may not.

Tigerseye · March 2019

Skwor wrote: »

My whole premise is vampires are very powerful as is in game. DEVs decided appearance is a fair trade off for that power and I agree, in fact I think it is not enough but that is where it is at right now.

Then it's terrible game design.

I mean, really amateurish.

Nothing should make you more powerful, in a game with competing players.

An appearance "trade-off" is utterly ridiculous and meaningless, as some people won't care about that, at all.

These alternative states of being should offer you alternative ways of playing, for fun; not an unfair advantage.

Genomic · March 2019

Ugh, it's hard to believe this thread is a discussion by adults. A protracted argument about dressup for your virtual dollies.