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Random guy executes ponzi scheme across 5 PC guilds then nukes guilds and discord
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Guild leader guy logs in and starts blabbing about how the entire bank got robbed, its all over blah blah blah kind of stuff, blames it on some random dude, then nukes the guilds and discord a few minutes later. They had been pushing people to join all the sister guilds and invest a lot lately so its pretty obvious stuff.
As an EVE player this is pretty hilarious to me, good job and well done to him.
Just wanted to see what other players thoughts on this were, discuss.
(Two of the guilds were Tamriel Marketplace and Why Buy Elsweyr)
Edit because people can't read: I am not saying ESO is like EVE or that it should be, I am simply bringing up an event that happened and am sharing my own perspective and looking to see what other people think of said event.
This sort of situation is bad for every guild in the game because GMs should have integrity and should do the right thing by every guild member, if that is promised or promoted when people join up. I think this behaviour is atrocious and fosters distrust in trading guilds who might be starting out or have been around for a long time.
No one likes being lied to by a charlatan or robbed by a fraud.4 -
TairenSoul✭✭✭sylviermoone wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »
Not true. We don't.
While my guild does have a minimum contribution requirement, it is insanely low, particularly given that we've maintained the same location in Rawl for a couple years, and there are ways to meet it that aren't sales/dues/raffle tickets.
Someone told me your weekly was 20k!Heavy is the crown.0 -
sylviermoone✭✭✭✭✭TairenSoul wrote: »sylviermoone wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »
Not true. We don't.
While my guild does have a minimum contribution requirement, it is insanely low, particularly given that we've maintained the same location in Rawl for a couple years, and there are ways to meet it that aren't sales/dues/raffle tickets.
Someone told me your weekly was 20k!
They are incorrect.Co-GM, Angry Unicorn Traders: PC/NA
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reoskit✭✭✭✭✭
✭HighEndDesktopGamer wrote: »Guild leader guy logs in and starts blabbing about how the entire bank got robbed, its all over blah blah blah kind of stuff, blames it on some random dude, then nukes the guilds and discord a few minutes later. They had been pushing people to join all the sister guilds and invest a lot lately so its pretty obvious stuff.
As an EVE player this is pretty hilarious to me, good job and well done to him.
Just wanted to see what other players thoughts on this were, discuss.
(Two of the guilds were Tamriel Marketplace and Why Buy Elsweyr)
Edit because people can't read: I am not saying ESO is like EVE or that it should be, I am simply bringing up an event that happened and am sharing my own perspective and looking to see what other people think of said event.
This sort of situation is bad for every guild in the game because GMs should have integrity and should do the right thing by every guild member, if that is promised or promoted when people join up. I think this behaviour is atrocious and fosters distrust in trading guilds who might be starting out or have been around for a long time.
No one likes being lied to by a charlatan or robbed by a fraud.
I don't feel remotely tainted by association. This guy wasn't a trade guild GM, and he wasn't running trade guilds.
Anyone who judges all trade guilds because of this stunt is probably someone I don't want in my guild.
(I hope you're on the mend, @HighEndDesktopGamer
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TairenSoul✭✭✭I wouldn't call that insanely low but I know it's hard to get in your guild. Location, location, location. Your guild is primo!Heavy is the crown.1
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TairenSoul✭✭✭TairenSoul wrote: »I wouldn't call that insanely low but I know it's hard to get in your guild. Location, location, location. Your guild is primo!
Sorry I misread. I thought you wrote correct...
Heavy is the crown.1 -
Casowen✭✭✭People literally play these games just to do this, I assume its mental practice of a sort for real life versions of the same thing.0 -
sylviermoone✭✭✭✭✭TairenSoul wrote: »I wouldn't call that insanely low but I know it's hard to get in your guild. Location, location, location. Your guild is primo!
I said INcorrect, as in, they are misinformed. Our minimum is a 1K contribution weekly, which can be met through taxes collected on sales, item or gold donations, raffle participation, purchasing stuff in the auction...heck, we even give credit to people who help us pay for ESO+ or expansions for our guild account.
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Shantu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Some people scheme and steal. That's their "game". Unfortunately, whether you're in game or out, that's life. What I find equally reprehensible is that despite a digital footprint existing that could prove these allegations, nothing is done about it. For anyone with an iota of a moral compass, stealing is stealing, and there should be real consequences.5 -
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This kind of rhetoric is what scares away inexperienced players from learning how to trade. Shame on you.MLGProPlayer wrote: »Then you're never going to sell anything since all the best locations require sales minimums/dues.6 -
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Veinblood1965✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I think I know what guild this was, I joined a guild it was 5k a week, then two days later it went to 10k then a few days later 15k and the trader location was crap. I did pay 15k and then left as something felt off.1 -
Pevey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Nothing for sale at all now in the trader. I really hope zos is looking into this. In addition to any “investments” lost, victims lost all their listing fees for items they had posted when they got kicked. If you’re selling fat stacks and/or expensive items, those can add up.
Even in the very unlikely scenario that someone else raided the guild bank and the gm made the decision to wind down, there was absolutely no reason to kick everyone mid-week. Only reason was to cover tracks.Edited by Pevey on March 1, 2019 5:50PM2 -
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✭I don't understand how these people could believe that investing could possibly produce ANYTHING. In this game there is no interaction loop which starts with coins and generates more coins, therefore you can never make a non-speculative investment.3 -
Pevey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭clocksstoppe wrote: »I don't understand how these people could believe that investing could possibly produce ANYTHING. In this game there is no interaction loop which starts with coins and generates more coins, therefore you can never make a non-speculative investment.
I’m pretty sure no one thought it was that kind of investment. No one expected a gold return. They just expected a functional trader. (And with the system zos has for trading, it does require a lot of people chipping in to hire a trader.) And then they got kicked.3 -
Vaughmyt✭✭They just expected a functional trader. (And with the system zos has for trading, it does require a lot of people chipping in to hire a trader.) And then they got kicked.
All I expected from my 'investment' was the peace of mind that I wasn't going to get kicked out of the guild if I couldn't sell enough or remember to pay dues every Sunday. This is my second bad experience with trading guilds out of two guilds I have joined. I much prefer the Auction House method that WoW used and will be looking into the Nirn Auction House add-on for sure. I don't play enough to accumulate high-value items on a regular basis, but I liked being able to get some income from my windfalls.
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Flares✭✭✭As someone whose a big fan of Eve and guild drama, I hope he gets to keep the gold. I was in his guilds too, he deserves it for the long con0 -
Flares✭✭✭FrancisCrawford wrote: »How much was actually stolen, do you guys think? And are the accounts you suspect of being the thieves still active?
Unless the answers to those questions are really surprising, I don't see the point from a simple greed standpoint; there are easier ways to make money in the game. The motivation would more likely be the joy of thievery itself, a desire to hurt fellow players, or something like that.
I was in 2 of the guilds, more context, he was an officer in the big one, poached members for his 4 guilds secretly, including me, kept a very ACTIVE discord with farm tips and routes. Each guild was bringing in 10~ mill a week, and main was 40-60mill. In the end the total gold "stolen" was 300~mill across all. Hes been at it since November
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KMarble✭✭✭✭✭omegatay_ESO wrote: »I can see how this would upset some people. But it can happen and I play smart. I never donate more then is needed for dues, period. I use these guilds to sell my stuff, nothing more. If dues are unreasonable, like 6k plus I leave. There are (hundreds?) of guilds peoples, no reason to be screwed by them.
Because trust me, they don't give a rats butt about you!
In my experience, it's the exact opposite. I'm in 5 guilds. Three of them try to keep a store (some weeks they lose the spot they could afford).
In all of the guilds I'm a member, people encourage one another and help any way they can. Aside from one guild I don't even know if I have rights to take stuff from the guild bank, but on the few occasions I've asked a GM for something from the bank, they were very quick to respond.
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✭✭✭✭✭Veinblood1965 wrote: »I think I know what guild this was, I joined a guild it was 5k a week, then two days later it went to 10k then a few days later 15k and the trader location was crap. I did pay 15k and then left as something felt off.
Yeah, there's an irony here, that guild trader was one of the two worst locations in Marbruk. There's three traders that are always visible when you walk through the city, but two of them that hang out in their tents, and you need to know they're there in order to find them.
One pokes his head out from time to time, but that trader just leans against a crate all day, hiding from work.Edited by starkerealm on March 1, 2019 7:07PM4 -
JayAstrophel✭✭✭✭
As someone who was simply seeking a trade guild and stumbled into this group, I hope he does not. Someone pulling off an objectively impressive robbery of people's gold still doesn't deserve to keep it. I only lost 2 or 3k gold but I know people that lost more. This is not cool.As someone whose a big fan of Eve and guild drama, I hope he gets to keep the gold. I was in his guilds too, he deserves it for the long con
All the messages I got about joining the investment system didn't interest me, so I didn't invest. I'm so glad I chose not to - I honestly didn't expect anything until I woke up this morning and the guild was completely gone.
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Sennecca✭✭✭They just expected a functional trader. (And with the system zos has for trading, it does require a lot of people chipping in to hire a trader.) And then they got kicked.
All I expected from my 'investment' was the peace of mind that I wasn't going to get kicked out of the guild if I couldn't sell enough or remember to pay dues every Sunday. This is my second bad experience with trading guilds out of two guilds I have joined. I much prefer the Auction House method that WoW used and will be looking into the Nirn Auction House add-on for sure. I don't play enough to accumulate high-value items on a regular basis, but I liked being able to get some income from my windfalls.
It's hard to find a guild with a right "fit". Not all guilds require dues every Sunday. Some guilds hire traders occasionally when they get enough to bid a location. I am in some guilds that don't have trader locations every week, but they are filled with good people that trade among each other in the in-between trader stall locations. I remember the auction house on WOW. what happened was that the rich bought up all the items that were in demand and re-listed them at ridiculous prices. they could do this because there was one central location they could search for those items at.2 -
Heimpai✭✭✭✭✭You joined the forum just to write that?
Also, accusing people mentioning their names (naming and shaming) is not allowed by the forum's rules : https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/60843/community-rules
Um, yes. I am curious what ESO players think of gameplay like this. That and it was hilarious.
Actually I joined the forum yesterday for other reasons, this just ended up being my first post.
Well Eve is more trollish 😏0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You joined the forum just to write that?
Also, accusing people mentioning their names (naming and shaming) is not allowed by the forum's rules : https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/60843/community-rules
Um, yes. I am curious what ESO players think of gameplay like this. That and it was hilarious.
Actually I joined the forum yesterday for other reasons, this just ended up being my first post.
Well Eve is more trollish 😏
EVE is built around economic PvP. Not just killing other players, but fighting to take control of their resource production capabilities. This incorporates a social element into PvP that is normally missing.3 -
Na0cho✭✭✭Hold up:
Haven’t been on in a few days BUT I am in that guild.
I don’t know anything about “nuking” the guild and will look into it HOWEVER I will say this: since joining the guild and seeing their tutorials I went from having like 200k at any given time to A mutiple millionaire.
They have taught me how to easily make money in this game. Even if this is true(I’m also in another guild run by same people which isn’t named here so I’m skeptical) then my 60k 6 month buy in was a golden *** investment.
The Tamriel marketplace owners didn’t give me dinner. They taught me how to fish.
I’ll be forever great full to them irregardless of the outcome.7 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Hold up:
Haven’t been on in a few days BUT I am in that guild.
I don’t know anything about “nuking” the guild and will look into it HOWEVER I will say this: since joining the guild and seeing their tutorials I went from having like 200k at any given time to A mutiple millionaire.
They have taught me how to easily make money in this game. Even if this is true(I’m also in another guild run by same people which isn’t named here so I’m skeptical) then my 60k 6 month buy in was a golden *** investment.
The Tamriel marketplace owners didn’t give me dinner. They taught me how to fish.
I’ll be forever great full to them irregardless of the outcome.
Yeah, you're still... where you were (I think.) The guild that got nuked was Why Buy Elswyer. No idea if your guild bank was hit, but sounds like it was.0 -
I've been in several trade guilds - two currently which are successful and support their trader (and have for years+). INcluding one that has a "sister" trade guild for players who can't afford the higher dues. ALL have traders.
None of them ever needed "investment" over and above the regular member dues/sales requirements. Did they benefit from charity from rich guild players - sure; but there was never an investor call out. Discussions about raising dues to get better traders - sure! But never "investors".
That's the point of having dues/sales requirements.
Can't undo the past - but please people - tell your friends - if your trade guild is asking/requiring for money above and beyond their dues or you can't stay - just leave.
If the dues/sales requirements aren't enough to pay for whatever trader the guild is wanting - they don't know what they're doing to begin with so get out anyway. There are craptons of trader guilds you can join that don't require extra "investment" - just join those.
Feel bad for everyone who, in good faith, supported their guilds and just got scammed. This isn't EVE. And this behavior is Not welcome or ok here.
But yea reading that whole "trading alliance needs investors" WTH? No... just no. They don't.
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