Skin and pet from the Wrathstone dungeons

Wifeaggro13 · February 2019

zvavi wrote: »

Rejoice most of the community, the skin and pet are much easier to get. you got what you asked for.

Now about how i felt when i finished the dungeons:
As a player that enjoys this content (yey~), it felt empty. yes, empty. For me, and many others that enjoys the dungeons, they are usually more fun the more we run them, and after getting the skin/personality, they enter the realm of "very fun dungeon i know well and go there to casually have fun" while the others i didn't get the skin/personality for yet are "the dungeons i go to tryhard kick butts". After finishing vFV and vDoM (even did vDoM hm), it left me with the feeling of "why should i go there again?"
while i do pug, and will pug older DLC dungeons, cause u know, they are one of the two above things i stated, i am not sure i will ever feel like pugging the new dungeons. and i believe many of the higher end content players feel like me. it just means more frustration to the casual community, because there will be less people to help them improve in these dungeons.

i might be wrong though. maybe i will feel like going there later as well (with pugs) but for now, i don't. remind me to update in a month!

edit: i might be going there to hunt for the achievements as well, but it will be much much later. the dungeons i dont have achievements yet are more appealing to me cause of the rewards

if ZOS would itemize correctly and put Rare dropped sets on certain bosses or decent weapons or two piece combos like VICP. Replay value would go up. unfortunately its always been an issue with ZOS game theory. most of the time the Juice is not worth the squeeze after a few runs.

Jaimeh · February 2019

zvavi wrote: »

So ye, I did congratulate most of the community for getting a "free" skin that you need to work a small tiny bit to get, or get three people to carry u easily for gold, or just ask veterans in your guild help with it really quick, and I am sorry that I offended you for thinking that the skins should have more meaning than cheap accessory.

zvavi wrote: »

while i do pug, and will pug older DLC dungeons, cause u know, they are one of the two above things i stated, i am not sure i will ever feel like pugging the new dungeons. and i believe many of the higher end content players feel like me. it just means more frustration to the casual community, because there will be less people to help them improve in these dungeons.

I really blanch at statements like these--they seem to miss the bigger picture. The first thing I remarked upon clearing vDOM on it's first PTS iteration, was that it's great the skin can be acquired just from vet completion; it will incentivize people who usually avoid vet DLC dungeons to run them, and they will likely gather more crowds than other DLC dungeons. Also, I don't understand your argument about being less willing to PUG and thus not 'helping casuals' hence forth. Does your willingness to PUG depend on HM being tied to a skin? Do you PUG HMs generally? If anything, the fact that vDOM is more accessible, should make it easier to PUG, farm gear, have as a pledge, etc. As for the skin being "free/cheap accessory", for the more casual players it will still feel like an accomplishment, and from what I read in discord servers, chats, and so on, the general sentiment is that this has made many people happy. Of course it's great to get a reward for the harder achievements in game, but there have been plenty of achievement skins, and since these dungeons and tied to the Elseweyr story, it was good of the team to change it up. The end-gamers will still go for their HM clears regardless, just more people will glow yellow

Bigevilpeter · February 2019

I dont mind anything except the no death runs, its so cheap and stupid, but if they put the skins behind HM and speed run I wouldnt mind

Merlin13KAGL · February 2019

*Yawn*

Some of you are seriously amazing. Please link your no death speed run achievements from the first round through, bonus points for HM.

These are still gonna be rough for a fairly large percentage base of non-end-game Vet players, so it's not the handout some are making it out to be.

Did those that have it consider that it was 'easy' because you've achieved a higher level of play after 5 years of doing the harder content? That it's built into your (group's) gameplay to go in, figure out the mechanics, and overcome them?

After all, you all did go in on a blind run, right? No PTS practice, no videos or guides?

OP, if you're that good, and somehow can't see the opportunity to help other players that will have difficulty with these for a while to come on Vet, IDK what to tell you. (One example: Figuring out where to stand during lasers is going to make most PuGs lose their damn minds.)

They've (Devs) gone from ridiculous to reasonable, while still retaining some needed measure of skill, and you're basically complaining?

These things don't need to automatically be out of reach for the majority of the playerbase. If they wanted to offer a modified version for ND SR HM completes, that would be fine.

But arguing that there's little reason left for high end players to run, vs the old alternative - little reason for majority players to run is a poor argument, and one that sells even fewer DLC's than their current revised method.

This was a smart move, for a change, and yet it's still not the giveaway some are making it out to be. If they'd handed it out for norm completion, you'd have something to complain about. If it's still too much for those fragile egos, speed run Leaderboard that *** and you'll have something to work for.

And, yes, there are leaderboards outside of the game, for this and dozens of other games if you look hard enough.
Take that #1 spot as your challenge to prove your badassery, or STFU.

Nothing wrong with capable people having something nice for a change.

Facefister · February 2019

Jaimeh wrote: »

[...], just more people will glow yellow

Just like the frost skin right? Noone wants to carry around a cheap trophy, including your "casuals".

To the poster above.
We went in blind, we cleared it in ~35 minutes. And don't come up with the "if you're so good then teach"-argument; People who cry out about difficulty are unwilling to learn and they just want the stuff without doing anything for it.

MartiniDaniels · February 2019

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

I dont mind anything except the no death runs, its so cheap and stupid, but if they put the skins behind HM and speed run I wouldnt mind

Hi, @Bigevilpeter ! it was so easy yesterday in vFV with @profundidob16_ESO guidance, yep? For group of 4 cp 810, with 80k group dps under mechanics?

especially at lazers.. oh, how easy is this dungeon! I bet every cp300 group of randoms in okay gear will do it without fuss.

sarcasm

Merlin13KAGL · February 2019

Facefister wrote: »

Jaimeh wrote: »

[...], just more people will glow yellow

Just like the frost skin right? Noone wants to carry around a cheap trophy, including your "casuals".

To the poster above.
We went in blind, we cleared it in ~35 minutes. And don't come up with the "if you're so good then teach"-argument; People who cry out about difficulty are unwilling to learn and they just want the stuff without doing anything for it.

Sure you did. That puts you about 5 minutes short of a speed run? Gratz, you've got something to work towards.

And the 'teaching' reference was for OP, someone that indicated in the first post their enjoyment in helping people achieve something they previously have not.

I doubt they're unwilling to learn. I suspect they're unwilling to learn from the likes of you. The only ones here bitching about difficulty are the ones convinced they're the only ones worthy of having whatever reward is involved.

Run it again. Don't run it again. HINT: No one cares either way.

If a virtual skin somehow detracts from your worth, you have much bigger problems than a mere video game.

XxCaLxX · February 2019

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

*Yawn*

Some of you are seriously amazing. Please link your no death speed run achievements from the first round through, bonus points for HM.

These are still gonna be rough for a fairly large percentage base of non-end-game Vet players, so it's not the handout some are making it out to be.

Did those that have it consider that it was 'easy' because you've achieved a higher level of play after 5 years of doing the harder content? That it's built into your (group's) gameplay to go in, figure out the mechanics, and overcome them?

After all, you all did go in on a blind run, right? No PTS practice, no videos or guides?

OP, if you're that good, and somehow can't see the opportunity to help other players that will have difficulty with these for a while to come on Vet, IDK what to tell you. (One example: Figuring out where to stand during lasers is going to make most PuGs lose their damn minds.)

They've (Devs) gone from ridiculous to reasonable, while still retaining some needed measure of skill, and you're basically complaining?

These things don't need to automatically be out of reach for the majority of the playerbase. If they wanted to offer a modified version for ND SR HM completes, that would be fine.

But arguing that there's little reason left for high end players to run, vs the old alternative - little reason for majority players to run is a poor argument, and one that sells even fewer DLC's than their current revised method.

This was a smart move, for a change, and yet it's still not the giveaway some are making it out to be. If they'd handed it out for norm completion, you'd have something to complain about. If it's still too much for those fragile egos, speed run Leaderboard that *** and you'll have something to work for.
And, yes, there are leaderboards outside of the game, for this and dozens of other games if you look hard enough.
Take that #1 spot as your challenge to prove your badassery, or STFU.

Nothing wrong with capable people having something nice for a change.

Show me where the dungeon leaderboard in eso is located? It’s always the opposers that are somehow amazed by people. No one was arguing that anyone shouldn’t have an opportunity to get this skin or pet but anyone that use to enjoy the challenge of getting the challenger achievements to get skins, personalities etc no longer have to do that so tell me why anyone would run these dungeons multiple times after first vet completion. To get a few achievement points that basically mean nothing? No end gamer will use the gear and even if they did a few runs would get it. A smarter move? I disagree. Your average casual player won’t ever queue for that after a completion and no one will be forming groups to get the challenger achievements.

Numerikuu · February 2019

This is a good change, and I hope they revise all the older dungeons and their skins/rewards to be just as reasonably achievable

Jaimeh · February 2019

Facefister wrote: »

Jaimeh wrote: »

[...], just more people will glow yellow

Just like the frost skin right? Noone wants to carry around a cheap trophy, including your "casuals".

To the poster above.
We went in blind, we cleared it in ~35 minutes. And don't come up with the "if you're so good then teach"-argument; People who cry out about difficulty are unwilling to learn and they just want the stuff without doing anything for it.

From the number of character seen running around with these, I'd beg to differ.

Facefister · February 2019

Jaimeh wrote: »

Facefister wrote: »

Jaimeh wrote: »

[...], just more people will glow yellow

Just like the frost skin right? Noone wants to carry around a cheap trophy, including your "casuals".

To the poster above.
We went in blind, we cleared it in ~35 minutes. And don't come up with the "if you're so good then teach"-argument; People who cry out about difficulty are unwilling to learn and they just want the stuff without doing anything for it.

From the number of character seen running around with these, I'd beg to differ.

Give it a week.

Verbal_Earthworm · February 2019

I prefer all skins and pets and whatever to be accessible for everyone.

The majority of them are mediocre or worse anyway.

I find it laughable that people think they look cool in this game because they wear a rare but crappy skin, the latest motif dyed metallic blue and a cauldron on their head.

They just look like stupid wannabes.

Merlin13KAGL · February 2019

XxCaLxX wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

*Yawn*

Some of you are seriously amazing. Please link your no death speed run achievements from the first round through, bonus points for HM.

These are still gonna be rough for a fairly large percentage base of non-end-game Vet players, so it's not the handout some are making it out to be.

Did those that have it consider that it was 'easy' because you've achieved a higher level of play after 5 years of doing the harder content? That it's built into your (group's) gameplay to go in, figure out the mechanics, and overcome them?

After all, you all did go in on a blind run, right? No PTS practice, no videos or guides?

OP, if you're that good, and somehow can't see the opportunity to help other players that will have difficulty with these for a while to come on Vet, IDK what to tell you. (One example: Figuring out where to stand during lasers is going to make most PuGs lose their damn minds.)

They've (Devs) gone from ridiculous to reasonable, while still retaining some needed measure of skill, and you're basically complaining?

These things don't need to automatically be out of reach for the majority of the playerbase. If they wanted to offer a modified version for ND SR HM completes, that would be fine.

But arguing that there's little reason left for high end players to run, vs the old alternative - little reason for majority players to run is a poor argument, and one that sells even fewer DLC's than their current revised method.

This was a smart move, for a change, and yet it's still not the giveaway some are making it out to be. If they'd handed it out for norm completion, you'd have something to complain about. If it's still too much for those fragile egos, speed run Leaderboard that *** and you'll have something to work for.
And, yes, there are leaderboards outside of the game, for this and dozens of other games if you look hard enough.
Take that #1 spot as your challenge to prove your badassery, or STFU.

Nothing wrong with capable people having something nice for a change.

Show me where the dungeon leaderboard in eso is located? It’s always the opposers that are somehow amazed by people. No one was arguing that anyone shouldn’t have an opportunity to get this skin or pet but anyone that use to enjoy the challenge of getting the challenger achievements to get skins, personalities etc no longer have to do that so tell me why anyone would run these dungeons multiple times after first vet completion. To get a few achievement points that basically mean nothing? No end gamer will use the gear and even if they did a few runs would get it. A smarter move? I disagree. Your average casual player won’t ever queue for that after a completion and no one will be forming groups to get the challenger achievements.

There are speedrun sites that track for several games. Hell, there are speedrun tournaments for several games. A little Google with a little effort will locate them, and I'm sure 4 man could be added if there truly were the competitive interest.

Read the thread again. The 'opposers' are here, complaining that it's too easy. No one took away your challenge for ND SR HM or the title that comes with. It's not the challenge people are whining about, it's the 'trophy' that more people are able to obtain this round, which is petty and stupid. People are literally bitching about the fact that others can obtain a virtual reward that they don't think they deserve, because it's 'too easy.' It's ***.

There are still requirements to be met, requirements it's already been pointed out that a lot of the playerbase are still going to have to work for.

People will go back into these dungeons for the same reason they go back into other DLC dungeons, be it the gear, achievements, helping another clear, or the fact that it just happened on the random queue or the pledge daily.

People will go back and farm motif pages when they're released, with higher chances on HM, which means lower chances for the majority, just as the other DLC dungeons have been.

People will come here, or they won't. Again, the majority, which will have to work to clear will come here trying to do so. Repeatability has little to do with it either way. There's little repeatability for the average player to beat their head against the wall with the requirements of some of the other trophies.

You can have your feelings hurt all you like, it comes down to marketing. Something obtainable will draw in far more people and keep them coming back than something out of reach of the majority.

It's a virtual skin, FFS and a reskinned version of a pet that's been around for half a decade.

Other people obtaining this does not somehow lessen the value of anyone else's run. It's not the challenge people are really whining about, it's the fact that someone else earned a cookie and they don't feel they had to work hard enough to have gotten said cookie.

Seriously, eat the damn cookie, and STFU.

Bigevilpeter · February 2019

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

I dont mind anything except the no death runs, its so cheap and stupid, but if they put the skins behind HM and speed run I wouldnt mind

Hi, @Bigevilpeter ! it was so easy yesterday in vFV with @profundidob16_ESO guidance, yep? For group of 4 cp 810, with 80k group dps under mechanics? especially at lazers.. oh, how easy is this dungeon! I bet every cp300 group of randoms in okay gear will do it without fuss.
sarcasm

Im not saying its easy, Im just saying no death is stupid, anything else I can live with

StrafeSinnlos · February 2019

I have earned most of the previous skins (except ZMaja, still working on that one), and while the new skin did feel somewhat "cheap" after an easy blind run, I am all for more variety for all players. For me, cosmetics are for making a character's look fit their backstory, not for bragging rights. My main could have chosen any personality, yet she still runs the Telvanni Magister, which was the easiest to get. If I want to brag, I'd rather use a fancy title. So yeah, I don't mind if cosmetics become more accessible for the majority of the playerbase.

IzzyStardust · February 2019

I love mine and I have most skins. So whatever. *shrugs*

I’d like a skin that looks like the psijic mount examplars and one that looks like the ‘evil’ versions (like the red horse etc)

XxCaLxX · February 2019

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

XxCaLxX wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

*Yawn*

Some of you are seriously amazing. Please link your no death speed run achievements from the first round through, bonus points for HM.

These are still gonna be rough for a fairly large percentage base of non-end-game Vet players, so it's not the handout some are making it out to be.

Did those that have it consider that it was 'easy' because you've achieved a higher level of play after 5 years of doing the harder content? That it's built into your (group's) gameplay to go in, figure out the mechanics, and overcome them?

After all, you all did go in on a blind run, right? No PTS practice, no videos or guides?

OP, if you're that good, and somehow can't see the opportunity to help other players that will have difficulty with these for a while to come on Vet, IDK what to tell you. (One example: Figuring out where to stand during lasers is going to make most PuGs lose their damn minds.)

They've (Devs) gone from ridiculous to reasonable, while still retaining some needed measure of skill, and you're basically complaining?

These things don't need to automatically be out of reach for the majority of the playerbase. If they wanted to offer a modified version for ND SR HM completes, that would be fine.

But arguing that there's little reason left for high end players to run, vs the old alternative - little reason for majority players to run is a poor argument, and one that sells even fewer DLC's than their current revised method.

This was a smart move, for a change, and yet it's still not the giveaway some are making it out to be. If they'd handed it out for norm completion, you'd have something to complain about. If it's still too much for those fragile egos, speed run Leaderboard that *** and you'll have something to work for.
And, yes, there are leaderboards outside of the game, for this and dozens of other games if you look hard enough.
Take that #1 spot as your challenge to prove your badassery, or STFU.

Nothing wrong with capable people having something nice for a change.

Show me where the dungeon leaderboard in eso is located? It’s always the opposers that are somehow amazed by people. No one was arguing that anyone shouldn’t have an opportunity to get this skin or pet but anyone that use to enjoy the challenge of getting the challenger achievements to get skins, personalities etc no longer have to do that so tell me why anyone would run these dungeons multiple times after first vet completion. To get a few achievement points that basically mean nothing? No end gamer will use the gear and even if they did a few runs would get it. A smarter move? I disagree. Your average casual player won’t ever queue for that after a completion and no one will be forming groups to get the challenger achievements.

There are speedrun sites that track for several games. Hell, there are speedrun tournaments for several games. A little Google with a little effort will locate them, and I'm sure 4 man could be added if there truly were the competitive interest.

Read the thread again. The 'opposers' are here, complaining that it's too easy. No one took away your challenge for ND SR HM or the title that comes with. It's not the challenge people are whining about, it's the 'trophy' that more people are able to obtain this round, which is petty and stupid. People are literally bitching about the fact that others can obtain a virtual reward that they don't think they deserve, because it's 'too easy.' It's ***.

There are still requirements to be met, requirements it's already been pointed out that a lot of the playerbase are still going to have to work for.

People will go back into these dungeons for the same reason they go back into other DLC dungeons, be it the gear, achievements, helping another clear, or the fact that it just happened on the random queue or the pledge daily.

People will go back and farm motif pages when they're released, with higher chances on HM, which means lower chances for the majority, just as the other DLC dungeons have been.

People will come here, or they won't. Again, the majority, which will have to work to clear will come here trying to do so. Repeatability has little to do with it either way. There's little repeatability for the average player to beat their head against the wall with the requirements of some of the other trophies.

You can have your feelings hurt all you like, it comes down to marketing. Something obtainable will draw in far more people and keep them coming back than something out of reach of the majority.

It's a virtual skin, FFS and a reskinned version of a pet that's been around for half a decade.

Other people obtaining this does not somehow lessen the value of anyone else's run. It's not the challenge people are really whining about, it's the fact that someone else earned a cookie and they don't feel they had to work hard enough to have gotten said cookie.

Seriously, eat the damn cookie, and STFU.

Lesser skilled players can now get a skin that they don’t have to buy from crown store *claps* congrats. I know how marketing works, that’s why this game has become too easy. People that has been playing long enough to get to cp10 is what the game is becoming based around. Cry babies and ppl that don’t want to have to work toward anything. This is why zos is making everything unbarabley easy. What’s sad is these ppl don’t even hang around long and it’s still the long time players that are suffering for it. Idk if you have been around awhile or what and don’t really care but you seem to be all for the easy mode.

So seriously, take your free skin and STFU!

Facefister · February 2019

XxCaLxX wrote: »

Lesser skilled players can now get a skin that they don’t have to buy from crown store *claps* congrats. I know how marketing works, that’s why this game has become too easy. People that has been playing long enough to get to cp10 is what the game is becoming based around. Cry babies and ppl that don’t want to have to work toward anything. This is why zos is making everything unbarabley easy. What’s sad is these ppl don’t even hang around long and it’s still the long time players that are suffering for it. Idk if you have been around awhile or what and don’t really care but you seem to be all for the easy mode.

So seriously, take your free skin and STFU!

Doing several mental gymnastics about getting handouts is cool though.

angelncelestine · February 2019

Good grief people. The poster didn't come on here throwing insults, saying scrubs shouldn't have the rewards, or that they are better then anyone. They were simply saying an aspect of the game that they use to enjoy no longer feels the same. It's interesting to me how us so called "elites" are called toxic. Look through some of these posts on this thread, and others on the forums. The " elites" dont seem like the toxic ones to me.

Facefister · February 2019

The question is, what else does this game offer? Do I run hardmodes, ND and time runs because of the equipment? Lol no. I run those because of skins, persos and motifs. Take that away and your precious DLC-dungeons become abandoned in less a month. But hurray, 3/4 social guild members who can't even be bothered remotely to pull off 12k dps have now a skin... hurray...

Royaji · February 2019

I don't really mind the skin being more accessible but there is no denying that it is a lot less valuable as a "bragging rights" thing.

I wouldn't mind skins getting tires. More patchy and washed out versions for just a vet clear and something a little more shinier for conqueror.

Merlin13KAGL · February 2019

XxCaLxX wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

XxCaLxX wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

*Yawn*

Some of you are seriously amazing. Please link your no death speed run achievements from the first round through, bonus points for HM.

These are still gonna be rough for a fairly large percentage base of non-end-game Vet players, so it's not the handout some are making it out to be.

Did those that have it consider that it was 'easy' because you've achieved a higher level of play after 5 years of doing the harder content? That it's built into your (group's) gameplay to go in, figure out the mechanics, and overcome them?

After all, you all did go in on a blind run, right? No PTS practice, no videos or guides?

OP, if you're that good, and somehow can't see the opportunity to help other players that will have difficulty with these for a while to come on Vet, IDK what to tell you. (One example: Figuring out where to stand during lasers is going to make most PuGs lose their damn minds.)

They've (Devs) gone from ridiculous to reasonable, while still retaining some needed measure of skill, and you're basically complaining?

These things don't need to automatically be out of reach for the majority of the playerbase. If they wanted to offer a modified version for ND SR HM completes, that would be fine.

But arguing that there's little reason left for high end players to run, vs the old alternative - little reason for majority players to run is a poor argument, and one that sells even fewer DLC's than their current revised method.

This was a smart move, for a change, and yet it's still not the giveaway some are making it out to be. If they'd handed it out for norm completion, you'd have something to complain about. If it's still too much for those fragile egos, speed run Leaderboard that *** and you'll have something to work for.
And, yes, there are leaderboards outside of the game, for this and dozens of other games if you look hard enough.
Take that #1 spot as your challenge to prove your badassery, or STFU.

Nothing wrong with capable people having something nice for a change.

Show me where the dungeon leaderboard in eso is located? It’s always the opposers that are somehow amazed by people. No one was arguing that anyone shouldn’t have an opportunity to get this skin or pet but anyone that use to enjoy the challenge of getting the challenger achievements to get skins, personalities etc no longer have to do that so tell me why anyone would run these dungeons multiple times after first vet completion. To get a few achievement points that basically mean nothing? No end gamer will use the gear and even if they did a few runs would get it. A smarter move? I disagree. Your average casual player won’t ever queue for that after a completion and no one will be forming groups to get the challenger achievements.

There are speedrun sites that track for several games. Hell, there are speedrun tournaments for several games. A little Google with a little effort will locate them, and I'm sure 4 man could be added if there truly were the competitive interest.

Read the thread again. The 'opposers' are here, complaining that it's too easy. No one took away your challenge for ND SR HM or the title that comes with. It's not the challenge people are whining about, it's the 'trophy' that more people are able to obtain this round, which is petty and stupid. People are literally bitching about the fact that others can obtain a virtual reward that they don't think they deserve, because it's 'too easy.' It's ***.

There are still requirements to be met, requirements it's already been pointed out that a lot of the playerbase are still going to have to work for.

People will go back into these dungeons for the same reason they go back into other DLC dungeons, be it the gear, achievements, helping another clear, or the fact that it just happened on the random queue or the pledge daily.

People will go back and farm motif pages when they're released, with higher chances on HM, which means lower chances for the majority, just as the other DLC dungeons have been.

People will come here, or they won't. Again, the majority, which will have to work to clear will come here trying to do so. Repeatability has little to do with it either way. There's little repeatability for the average player to beat their head against the wall with the requirements of some of the other trophies.

You can have your feelings hurt all you like, it comes down to marketing. Something obtainable will draw in far more people and keep them coming back than something out of reach of the majority.

It's a virtual skin, FFS and a reskinned version of a pet that's been around for half a decade.

Other people obtaining this does not somehow lessen the value of anyone else's run. It's not the challenge people are really whining about, it's the fact that someone else earned a cookie and they don't feel they had to work hard enough to have gotten said cookie.

Seriously, eat the damn cookie, and STFU.

Lesser skilled players can now get a skin that they don’t have to buy from crown store *claps* congrats. I know how marketing works, that’s why this game has become too easy. People that has been playing long enough to get to cp10 is what the game is becoming based around. Cry babies and ppl that don’t want to have to work toward anything. This is why zos is making everything unbarabley easy. What’s sad is these ppl don’t even hang around long and it’s still the long time players that are suffering for it. Idk if you have been around awhile or what and don’t really care but you seem to be all for the easy mode.

So seriously, take your free skin and STFU!

Since before day 1, tough guy, which is why I know this sentiment is ***. I'm above mid tier, good at what I do, not remotely l33t. I'm self confident enough to admit that.

Regarding easy? I notice a lot of people not walking around with the skin. Wonder why that is? It is easier than previous DLC's. I don't argue that point. There's still a far distance between easier and easy. Plenty of 'lesser skilled players' are still going to have to work for it. I even offered up a different version above for the combo achievements, so you could separate yourself from the peasants.

I'm for reasonable and attainable, which this still is.

Clue #1 is in my signature

Clue #2 is in any of dozens of previous posts. Feel free to peruse my history.

I don't have to hinge my worth on what someone else can or cannot do.

But really, I bow to your greatness. You really are the best. Mom even says so.

By your statement, you've decided other people simply aren't good enough. You really need to get over yourself.

So long as there are only three difficulty levels, this will continue to be an issue. Self important pricks deciding what they think the minimum skill level required for something is will never be good for the game. That goes for high end and low end both.

You know the irony in all of this? You are the one that has decided they're owed something here.

MornaBaine · February 2019

I've yet to find a single skin I actually like. So they are not a lure for me. I'm a bit salty about the necromancer personality though, which remains out of my filthy casual reach.

But I, too, am baffled by people who want other players to be unable to obtain things just so they can flaunt them as some sort of "status symbol." I'm baffled by this behavior in the real world. It's beyond meaningless when it's comprised of pixels.

Agenericname · February 2019

angelncelestine wrote: »

Good grief people. The poster didn't come on here throwing insults, saying scrubs shouldn't have the rewards, or that they are better then anyone. They were simply saying an aspect of the game that they use to enjoy no longer feels the same. It's interesting to me how us so called "elites" are called toxic. Look through some of these posts on this thread, and others on the forums. The " elites" dont seem like the toxic ones to me.

XxCaLxX wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

XxCaLxX wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

*Yawn*

Some of you are seriously amazing. Please link your no death speed run achievements from the first round through, bonus points for HM.

These are still gonna be rough for a fairly large percentage base of non-end-game Vet players, so it's not the handout some are making it out to be.

Did those that have it consider that it was 'easy' because you've achieved a higher level of play after 5 years of doing the harder content? That it's built into your (group's) gameplay to go in, figure out the mechanics, and overcome them?

After all, you all did go in on a blind run, right? No PTS practice, no videos or guides?

OP, if you're that good, and somehow can't see the opportunity to help other players that will have difficulty with these for a while to come on Vet, IDK what to tell you. (One example: Figuring out where to stand during lasers is going to make most PuGs lose their damn minds.)

They've (Devs) gone from ridiculous to reasonable, while still retaining some needed measure of skill, and you're basically complaining?

These things don't need to automatically be out of reach for the majority of the playerbase. If they wanted to offer a modified version for ND SR HM completes, that would be fine.

But arguing that there's little reason left for high end players to run, vs the old alternative - little reason for majority players to run is a poor argument, and one that sells even fewer DLC's than their current revised method.

This was a smart move, for a change, and yet it's still not the giveaway some are making it out to be. If they'd handed it out for norm completion, you'd have something to complain about. If it's still too much for those fragile egos, speed run Leaderboard that *** and you'll have something to work for.
And, yes, there are leaderboards outside of the game, for this and dozens of other games if you look hard enough.
Take that #1 spot as your challenge to prove your badassery, or STFU.

Nothing wrong with capable people having something nice for a change.

Show me where the dungeon leaderboard in eso is located? It’s always the opposers that are somehow amazed by people. No one was arguing that anyone shouldn’t have an opportunity to get this skin or pet but anyone that use to enjoy the challenge of getting the challenger achievements to get skins, personalities etc no longer have to do that so tell me why anyone would run these dungeons multiple times after first vet completion. To get a few achievement points that basically mean nothing? No end gamer will use the gear and even if they did a few runs would get it. A smarter move? I disagree. Your average casual player won’t ever queue for that after a completion and no one will be forming groups to get the challenger achievements.

There are speedrun sites that track for several games. Hell, there are speedrun tournaments for several games. A little Google with a little effort will locate them, and I'm sure 4 man could be added if there truly were the competitive interest.

Read the thread again. The 'opposers' are here, complaining that it's too easy. No one took away your challenge for ND SR HM or the title that comes with. It's not the challenge people are whining about, it's the 'trophy' that more people are able to obtain this round, which is petty and stupid. People are literally bitching about the fact that others can obtain a virtual reward that they don't think they deserve, because it's 'too easy.' It's ***.

There are still requirements to be met, requirements it's already been pointed out that a lot of the playerbase are still going to have to work for.

People will go back into these dungeons for the same reason they go back into other DLC dungeons, be it the gear, achievements, helping another clear, or the fact that it just happened on the random queue or the pledge daily.

People will go back and farm motif pages when they're released, with higher chances on HM, which means lower chances for the majority, just as the other DLC dungeons have been.

People will come here, or they won't. Again, the majority, which will have to work to clear will come here trying to do so. Repeatability has little to do with it either way. There's little repeatability for the average player to beat their head against the wall with the requirements of some of the other trophies.

You can have your feelings hurt all you like, it comes down to marketing. Something obtainable will draw in far more people and keep them coming back than something out of reach of the majority.

It's a virtual skin, FFS and a reskinned version of a pet that's been around for half a decade.

Other people obtaining this does not somehow lessen the value of anyone else's run. It's not the challenge people are really whining about, it's the fact that someone else earned a cookie and they don't feel they had to work hard enough to have gotten said cookie.

Seriously, eat the damn cookie, and STFU.

Lesser skilled players can now get a skin that they don’t have to buy from crown store *claps* congrats. I know how marketing works, that’s why this game has become too easy. People that has been playing long enough to get to cp10 is what the game is becoming based around. Cry babies and ppl that don’t want to have to work toward anything. This is why zos is making everything unbarabley easy. What’s sad is these ppl don’t even hang around long and it’s still the long time players that are suffering for it. Idk if you have been around awhile or what and don’t really care but you seem to be all for the easy mode.

So seriously, take your free skin and STFU!

"Toxic" is loosely defined, sure, but this isn't by any stretch of the imagination one-sided.

Some days I thank my dog for being a wonderful human being.

angelncelestine · February 2019

Agenericname wrote: »

angelncelestine wrote: »

Good grief people. The poster didn't come on here throwing insults, saying scrubs shouldn't have the rewards, or that they are better then anyone. They were simply saying an aspect of the game that they use to enjoy no longer feels the same. It's interesting to me how us so called "elites" are called toxic. Look through some of these posts on this thread, and others on the forums. The " elites" dont seem like the toxic ones to me.

XxCaLxX wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

XxCaLxX wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

*Yawn*

Some of you are seriously amazing. Please link your no death speed run achievements from the first round through, bonus points for HM.

These are still gonna be rough for a fairly large percentage base of non-end-game Vet players, so it's not the handout some are making it out to be.

Did those that have it consider that it was 'easy' because you've achieved a higher level of play after 5 years of doing the harder content? That it's built into your (group's) gameplay to go in, figure out the mechanics, and overcome them?

After all, you all did go in on a blind run, right? No PTS practice, no videos or guides?

OP, if you're that good, and somehow can't see the opportunity to help other players that will have difficulty with these for a while to come on Vet, IDK what to tell you. (One example: Figuring out where to stand during lasers is going to make most PuGs lose their damn minds.)

They've (Devs) gone from ridiculous to reasonable, while still retaining some needed measure of skill, and you're basically complaining?

These things don't need to automatically be out of reach for the majority of the playerbase. If they wanted to offer a modified version for ND SR HM completes, that would be fine.

But arguing that there's little reason left for high end players to run, vs the old alternative - little reason for majority players to run is a poor argument, and one that sells even fewer DLC's than their current revised method.

This was a smart move, for a change, and yet it's still not the giveaway some are making it out to be. If they'd handed it out for norm completion, you'd have something to complain about. If it's still too much for those fragile egos, speed run Leaderboard that *** and you'll have something to work for.
And, yes, there are leaderboards outside of the game, for this and dozens of other games if you look hard enough.
Take that #1 spot as your challenge to prove your badassery, or STFU.

Nothing wrong with capable people having something nice for a change.

Show me where the dungeon leaderboard in eso is located? It’s always the opposers that are somehow amazed by people. No one was arguing that anyone shouldn’t have an opportunity to get this skin or pet but anyone that use to enjoy the challenge of getting the challenger achievements to get skins, personalities etc no longer have to do that so tell me why anyone would run these dungeons multiple times after first vet completion. To get a few achievement points that basically mean nothing? No end gamer will use the gear and even if they did a few runs would get it. A smarter move? I disagree. Your average casual player won’t ever queue for that after a completion and no one will be forming groups to get the challenger achievements.

There are speedrun sites that track for several games. Hell, there are speedrun tournaments for several games. A little Google with a little effort will locate them, and I'm sure 4 man could be added if there truly were the competitive interest.

Read the thread again. The 'opposers' are here, complaining that it's too easy. No one took away your challenge for ND SR HM or the title that comes with. It's not the challenge people are whining about, it's the 'trophy' that more people are able to obtain this round, which is petty and stupid. People are literally bitching about the fact that others can obtain a virtual reward that they don't think they deserve, because it's 'too easy.' It's ***.

There are still requirements to be met, requirements it's already been pointed out that a lot of the playerbase are still going to have to work for.

People will go back into these dungeons for the same reason they go back into other DLC dungeons, be it the gear, achievements, helping another clear, or the fact that it just happened on the random queue or the pledge daily.

People will go back and farm motif pages when they're released, with higher chances on HM, which means lower chances for the majority, just as the other DLC dungeons have been.

People will come here, or they won't. Again, the majority, which will have to work to clear will come here trying to do so. Repeatability has little to do with it either way. There's little repeatability for the average player to beat their head against the wall with the requirements of some of the other trophies.

You can have your feelings hurt all you like, it comes down to marketing. Something obtainable will draw in far more people and keep them coming back than something out of reach of the majority.

It's a virtual skin, FFS and a reskinned version of a pet that's been around for half a decade.

Other people obtaining this does not somehow lessen the value of anyone else's run. It's not the challenge people are really whining about, it's the fact that someone else earned a cookie and they don't feel they had to work hard enough to have gotten said cookie.

Seriously, eat the damn cookie, and STFU.

Lesser skilled players can now get a skin that they don’t have to buy from crown store *claps* congrats. I know how marketing works, that’s why this game has become too easy. People that has been playing long enough to get to cp10 is what the game is becoming based around. Cry babies and ppl that don’t want to have to work toward anything. This is why zos is making everything unbarabley easy. What’s sad is these ppl don’t even hang around long and it’s still the long time players that are suffering for it. Idk if you have been around awhile or what and don’t really care but you seem to be all for the easy mode.

So seriously, take your free skin and STFU!

"Toxic" is loosely defined, sure, but this isn't by any stretch of the imagination one-sided.

Some days I thank my dog for being a wonderful human being.

This is true. More people should be like your dog :-)

valusthecateater · February 2019

There are a lot of snowflakes in this thread.

Facefister · February 2019

valusthecateater wrote: »

There are a lot of snowflakes in this thread.

Nice contribution, 11/10 bro.

Reistr_the_Unbroken · February 2019

angelncelestine wrote: »

Agenericname wrote: »

angelncelestine wrote: »

Good grief people. The poster didn't come on here throwing insults, saying scrubs shouldn't have the rewards, or that they are better then anyone. They were simply saying an aspect of the game that they use to enjoy no longer feels the same. It's interesting to me how us so called "elites" are called toxic. Look through some of these posts on this thread, and others on the forums. The " elites" dont seem like the toxic ones to me.

XxCaLxX wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

XxCaLxX wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

*Yawn*

Some of you are seriously amazing. Please link your no death speed run achievements from the first round through, bonus points for HM.

These are still gonna be rough for a fairly large percentage base of non-end-game Vet players, so it's not the handout some are making it out to be.

Did those that have it consider that it was 'easy' because you've achieved a higher level of play after 5 years of doing the harder content? That it's built into your (group's) gameplay to go in, figure out the mechanics, and overcome them?

After all, you all did go in on a blind run, right? No PTS practice, no videos or guides?

OP, if you're that good, and somehow can't see the opportunity to help other players that will have difficulty with these for a while to come on Vet, IDK what to tell you. (One example: Figuring out where to stand during lasers is going to make most PuGs lose their damn minds.)

They've (Devs) gone from ridiculous to reasonable, while still retaining some needed measure of skill, and you're basically complaining?

These things don't need to automatically be out of reach for the majority of the playerbase. If they wanted to offer a modified version for ND SR HM completes, that would be fine.

But arguing that there's little reason left for high end players to run, vs the old alternative - little reason for majority players to run is a poor argument, and one that sells even fewer DLC's than their current revised method.

This was a smart move, for a change, and yet it's still not the giveaway some are making it out to be. If they'd handed it out for norm completion, you'd have something to complain about. If it's still too much for those fragile egos, speed run Leaderboard that *** and you'll have something to work for.
And, yes, there are leaderboards outside of the game, for this and dozens of other games if you look hard enough.
Take that #1 spot as your challenge to prove your badassery, or STFU.

Nothing wrong with capable people having something nice for a change.

Show me where the dungeon leaderboard in eso is located? It’s always the opposers that are somehow amazed by people. No one was arguing that anyone shouldn’t have an opportunity to get this skin or pet but anyone that use to enjoy the challenge of getting the challenger achievements to get skins, personalities etc no longer have to do that so tell me why anyone would run these dungeons multiple times after first vet completion. To get a few achievement points that basically mean nothing? No end gamer will use the gear and even if they did a few runs would get it. A smarter move? I disagree. Your average casual player won’t ever queue for that after a completion and no one will be forming groups to get the challenger achievements.

There are speedrun sites that track for several games. Hell, there are speedrun tournaments for several games. A little Google with a little effort will locate them, and I'm sure 4 man could be added if there truly were the competitive interest.

Read the thread again. The 'opposers' are here, complaining that it's too easy. No one took away your challenge for ND SR HM or the title that comes with. It's not the challenge people are whining about, it's the 'trophy' that more people are able to obtain this round, which is petty and stupid. People are literally bitching about the fact that others can obtain a virtual reward that they don't think they deserve, because it's 'too easy.' It's ***.

There are still requirements to be met, requirements it's already been pointed out that a lot of the playerbase are still going to have to work for.

People will go back into these dungeons for the same reason they go back into other DLC dungeons, be it the gear, achievements, helping another clear, or the fact that it just happened on the random queue or the pledge daily.

People will go back and farm motif pages when they're released, with higher chances on HM, which means lower chances for the majority, just as the other DLC dungeons have been.

People will come here, or they won't. Again, the majority, which will have to work to clear will come here trying to do so. Repeatability has little to do with it either way. There's little repeatability for the average player to beat their head against the wall with the requirements of some of the other trophies.

You can have your feelings hurt all you like, it comes down to marketing. Something obtainable will draw in far more people and keep them coming back than something out of reach of the majority.

It's a virtual skin, FFS and a reskinned version of a pet that's been around for half a decade.

Other people obtaining this does not somehow lessen the value of anyone else's run. It's not the challenge people are really whining about, it's the fact that someone else earned a cookie and they don't feel they had to work hard enough to have gotten said cookie.

Seriously, eat the damn cookie, and STFU.

Lesser skilled players can now get a skin that they don’t have to buy from crown store *claps* congrats. I know how marketing works, that’s why this game has become too easy. People that has been playing long enough to get to cp10 is what the game is becoming based around. Cry babies and ppl that don’t want to have to work toward anything. This is why zos is making everything unbarabley easy. What’s sad is these ppl don’t even hang around long and it’s still the long time players that are suffering for it. Idk if you have been around awhile or what and don’t really care but you seem to be all for the easy mode.

So seriously, take your free skin and STFU!

"Toxic" is loosely defined, sure, but this isn't by any stretch of the imagination one-sided.

Some days I thank my dog for being a wonderful human being.

This is true. More people should be like your dog :-)

Ngl but dogs are awesome, they don’t judge anyone but they constantly love people

pelle412 · February 2019

ZoS decided to put the cosmetics behind a basic veteran clear. Only they know why. Some people are happy, others are not. Such is life. Players who struggle with dungeons will appreciate it, those who love dungeons will get bored quickly. It is what it is.

Ragged_Claw · February 2019

This is ONE skin though. Every other skin is locked behind hard content (unless you pay for a carry, of course). And to be fair, dungeons are becoming progressively harder for the 'casual' player, so I wouldn't say people don't still have to work for it. It's nice to throw something in there for players who don't have the time or ability to tackle the top-tier stuff. Having said that, I understand the OPs point about rewards for HM and no death etc. A good balance would to have perhaps had a different skin reward for HM clears or as suggested before a mount or personality.

But as I said, there are plenty of skins that show off your eliteness and hardcoriness, so why moan about this one skin? If it becomes a pattern with future DLCs then sure, that's going to seem unfair to high-level players who complete all the hard content, but for now go after the vMoL skin or something.