Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Khajit took huge nerf and become part of ganking setup only.

10% crit damage not worth and should revert.

Actually, no; they're still extremely viable at PvE DPS, just slightly behind Dunmer.

A full revert on the change would put them back to the top for PvE DPS and behind on PvP ability. Rather, a middle ground would strike a good balance for both PvE and PvP.

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

HatchetHaro wrote: »

No, Argonians are still shafted. Khajiiti are still the superior furries.

Argonians are scaly, not furry.

As much as I would like to call myself a scalie rather than a furry, scalies are furries.

Running a Nord stamblade (CP480) myself because I had no idea about sustain, recovery etc when I just started the game.
But I do see that the stamina recovery is not that great on it (needing to have a few stamina recovery enhancements on jewelry instead of weapon damage to reach okay recovery) and it's this that I probably change when the tokens are available.
Though I can manage fine, did 32K dps in a maw trial last weekend killing sun-eaters etc, I feel there's more.
So reading these posts are helpful in my choice, though I will not rush the change.

HatchetHaro wrote: »

Combat Metrics does not detect the 10% extra Critical Damage from Khajiiti, and calculates the total damage from Critical Hits based on the lower 190% Critical Damage rather than the actual 200% Critical Damage that Khajiiti have.

This is more a display issue than anything else. The Damage you do is returned from the api "as is", combat metrics doesn't need to calculate how much crits do.
It does however do some math to average your stats based on when damage is done during the fight. However this is only relevant if the stat changes during the course of a fight.
So you could actually do such parses with the passive enabled. The only thing wrong will be the stat display.

Solinur wrote: »

HatchetHaro wrote: »

Combat Metrics does not detect the 10% extra Critical Damage from Khajiiti, and calculates the total damage from Critical Hits based on the lower 190% Critical Damage rather than the actual 200% Critical Damage that Khajiiti have.

This is more a display issue than anything else. The Damage you do is returned from the api "as is", combat metrics doesn't need to calculate how much crits do.
It does however do some math to average your stats based on when damage is done during the fight. However this is only relevant if the stat changes during the course of a fight.
So you could actually do such parses with the passive enabled. The only thing wrong will be the stat display.

That sounds fair; I don't know exactly how your addon works and could only speculate as to why the displayed results have been inaccurate.

The only issue I was having was related to the displayed stats, though, which I rely on for my calculations for normalizing my crit chances in my parses; the issue, in particular, is that, with the passive enabled, all of my Khajiit parses still had about the same % of damage from critical hits as other races, which didn't quite make sense, and using those numbers for recalculation resulted in numbers that seemed completely off. However, it WAS on PTS 4.3.3, and I was able to find a fair workaround, so ultimately I was completely fine.

Have to say, though, I love the work you do. Don't know where the raiding community would be without your amazing work.

Peeps, please check out this link to Solinur's latest Combat Metrics beta and help him out!

royo wrote: »

The only issue I was having was related to the displayed stats, though, which I rely on for my calculations for normalizing my crit chances in my parses; the issue, in particular, is that, with the passive enabled, all of my Khajiit parses still had about the same % of damage from critical hits as other races, which didn't quite make sense, and using those numbers for recalculation resulted in numbers that seemed completely off. However, it WAS on PTS 4.3.3, and I was able to find a fair workaround, so ultimately I was completely fine.

The issue is that this is the only stat I cannot get from API, but have to calculate it myself. Which means that I have to manually build a list of all possible sources and whenever something is changed CMX doesn't recognize it until I implement it. So it's probably a good idea to keep an eye on it whenever you are doing tests like these. I'll try to be more watchful on my end too.

Mudcrabber wrote: »

I feel like argonians are balanced on the assumption that we're all playing pvp tanks with 3x infused potion jewelry. Like one niche build that hardly anyone uses makes them the best race.

This is well said. People point to very niche uses and builds as to why Argonians racials are 'good enough' when in reality throughout most common gameplay, not so much. The potion passive is useful and not much more than that outside of those couple niche builds/scenerios.

I've even tried the potion cooldown build and my god it's expensive. Even more than just doubly expensive b/c you end up losing resources faster for what you give up to run the cool down glyphs, which means you really have to drink the potions on cooldown whether you need all the resources or not b/c usually one particular resource or another is bottomed out.

If I could pick my 'racial passive' package to go with racial appearance - I'd probably be using Imperial or Nord for my tanks for their passives, Orc or Redguard for my Stam DD passives and Breton for my mag dd passives. Unfortunately, I'm a glutton for punishment and want to play Argonians, so just sticking with the race until I get tired of ESO all together.