Changes to Imperial.

OneKhajiitCrimeWave · January 2019

Aluneth wrote: »

It should say enough on its own, that even after the nerf, the Argonian is a better tank than the Imperial. While the Imperial hasn't changed a lot, it was average before, and now other classes have gained a few things (while getting nerfed in other areas) that put them above the Imperial.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Aluneth wrote: »

profundidob16_ESO wrote: »

Aluneth wrote: »

First of all, I want to say that I'm happy with the direction of the racial changes. I'm happy that each race is unique. Now for the negative feedback.

The Imperial race has always been BORING when it came to racials, but at least it had the 12%/10% resources. The one thing I wanted from the changes to the Imperial race, was to give them something unique that made them stand out. This was the perfect chance for ZoS to rework their racials and give them something that wasn't so bland or boring. What did we get? We got a race that was just as boring, with a massive nerf to the resources. The Imperial used to be a versatile, jack of all trades, with a good spot when it came to tanking, this isn't the case anymore.

Mag DPS : Useless
Stam DPS : Khajiit, Redguard and Orc are better
Healer: Useless
Tank: Argonian and Nord are both better

The best place an Imperial has at the moment is THIRD, in TANKING.

I don't want the Imperial to become the new Argonian, and I don't care if they're not the best pick for anything. If this is the case though, at least make the race INTERESTING.

why you consider them bad at tanking ? A flat +4000 resource increase topped off with an additional 5% block cost reduction sounds pretty solid to me for any tank

It's still worse than what Argonians and Nords get.

Nords get 500 less stamina and 1000 less health. Instead they get 4 000 resistance and an ult generation passive.

Mundus stones:

Lord: 2231 Health
Tower: 2028 Stamina
Lady: 4196 Resistance

So if the Imperial picked the Lady mundus stone, and the Nord picked the Lord Mundus stone. They would have the same resistances, BUT the Nord would have 700 more resources than the Imperial. This isn't even taking into consideration the ult generaton passive.

I would gladly trade in 500 stamina and 1000 health for 4000 resistance and that ult generation passive.

lady is only 2752. unless you mean with 7 divines, then you have to make the lord 3402 to keep things even.

My mistake, got the wrong numbers.

What changes @Holycannoli ? Less Stamina/Health and the heal is not better if you're at 30 000 health or above, which every tank should be. So for a tank Imperial (which was the best, out of many bad options), they have less health, less stamina and less healing.

Argonians now have less health, less healing received and less sustain. Their main sustain method got hit for 25%.

Argonians are no longer the everything class.

And i run the atro mundus, have cap resistances and just got my sustain assisted with further block cost reduction and more stam (i run 18k stam currently).

I gained a 15% chance on pretty much and damge i do to heal. No longer a 10% chance on a heavy attack.

If you think those resistance bonuses are great for tanks then you have paid zero attention to tanking setups currently that have no issues hitting cap with nothing more than their armor buff, a few CP's in an armor tree as necessary and a monster set like lord warden.

Nord lost more health than we did, lost damage reduction, lost sustain in most situations in order to gain a small amount of ult regen which will only benefit an ulti regen setup.

How exactly do you believe that Argonians are going to be the best tanks when all that they gained is 1k of magicka and pound for pound lost more health and more sustain.

Let's wait and test on PTS. Then we'll make it clear. Imperials are by no means the "3rd tanking race."

Holycannoli · January 2019

Aluneth wrote: »

What changes @Holycannoli ? Less Stamina/Health and the heal is not better if you're at 30 000 health or above, which every tank should be. So for a tank Imperial (which was the best, out of many bad options), they have less health, less stamina and less healing.

The increase to healing and the fact it didn't get the shaft to it's stat increases. Every race is suffering from the percentage loss but some got the shaft from it (like orc). The imperial change is not only in line with the other races it gets an overall greater bonus.

My imperial is getting a stamina nerf from this (I run max stamina) just like yours is getting a health nerf but all races are getting stat nerfs. Imperials in comparison are getting an overall buff.

Aluneth · January 2019

From the meta thread.

Faulgor wrote: »

Mag DD:
Altmer
Khajiit
Breton
Dunmer

Altmer remain on top by far. Khajiit are still underrated right now, but that will probably change, in terms of damage they should take the 2nd position. Breton is a great choice when going for sustain instead of damage. Dunmer come in last because they are outclassed in damage and sustain by all others.

Stam DD:
Redguard
Khajiit
Dunmer
Bosmer
Orc

Redguard still have the most amazing sustain, but Khajiit are close behind now with buffs for max stam and recovery. Dunmer provide the best flat out damage buff of all stamina races, and should be on par with Khajiit overall. Bosmer only have recovery going for them and are outclassed by Redguards. Orcs are the worst in resources, and are outclassed in recovery by Redguard / Bosmer and in damage by Khajiit / Dunmer.

Tank:
Argonian
Nord
Imperial

Argonians got nerfed, but remain a solid choice. Nords don't have any sustain going for them, but can take the most beatings and provide good group utility with ulti gain. You could chose either depending on your build. Imperials are decent, but not that far ahead of all other races.

Healer:
Argonian
Breton
Dunmer
Altmer

Not much has changed for Argonian healers, the 1000 Magicka might actually turn out to be a buff. Bretons got buffed for this role, too, as did Dunmer due to their increased Spell Damage. Altmer will depend on your class, but they can fill that role without any issue.

In that order. Bosmer, Orc and Imperial seem the worst now. Congratulations to Khajiit and Nords for ascending.

Where are all the Imperials? The Imperial race was average at best BEFORE the changes. They should have used this oppertunity to give us something special and unique. We're below Nord in tanking, and have fallen below several races in DPS with the changes.

rexagamemnon · January 2019

So it looks like the racial passive updates have been announced, can someone show me where to find the link so i can examine in detail

Aluneth · January 2019

rexagamemnon wrote: »

So it looks like the racial passive updates have been announced, can someone show me where to find the link so i can examine in detail

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/453551/upcoming-racial-balance-changes-for-update-21/p1

jmgrant44ub17_ESO · February 2019

Imperial(2014) are so old school as they were the original p2w class. But we have moved on to the Warden(2016) and with the Necromancer(2019) coming it's time to move to the next p2w class.

profundidob16_ESO · February 2019

jmgrant44ub17_ESO wrote: »

Imperial(2014) are so old school as they were the original p2w class. But we have moved on to the Warden(2016) and with the Necromancer(2019) coming it's time to move to the next p2w class.

Imperial is not a class. It's a race and therefore has nothing to do with p2w status of some classes. You're mixing things up